Is Pinkie Pie Starswirl? Are ALL of the Mane 6 actually Starswirl?

[ManaMinori 4,144]

Hmmmm. I wonder. People try to pass off Pinkie's actions as just “Pinkie just being Pinkie”, but is it really that, and nothing more? Pinkie's shown to do things that no other pony can seem to do, such as breaking the 4^th wall, having access to possibly time-travel*, knowing the people/ ponies in parallel worlds/ dimensions*, and alter her appearance to those she'd have met in those other worlds?*

 

In the very first episode of MLP: FIM, Pinkie Pie is the first pony Twilight speaks to, and Pinkie gasps, as if she's seen Twilight before. And while, later on, Pinkie explains that she gasped, because she hadn't seen Twi before, and knew that she was new in town, so a party must be thrown, in order for Twilight to start making friends, I see it as one of 3 possibilities.

1: Pinkie Pie being Starswirl the Bearded

2: Pinkie not being Starswirl, but having his memories and magic, due to interference from Starswirl himself

 

Starting with number 1. This could be likely for the aforementioned reasons. Starswirl; being the creator and master of hundreds of spells- as said by Celestia, in the Journal of the Two sisters, had gone forward in time and seen Twilight some time after she had gotten her cutie mark, to know how she (and Celestia and Luna) were connected to the Tree of Harmony. It's safe to assume that Starswirl would've likely met Twilight's friends as well, if he arrived in the future at whatever point after she'd gotten her cutie mark.

 

And when he returned to the present, he could've tried to complete the spell in Magical Mystery Cure, that he had been working on, which would allow him to switch his destiny with the young pink mare that he had seen Twilight interacting with, in the distant future; becoming Pinkie in Twilight's timeline, while at the same time, carrying over all his unicorn magic that he had spent his lifetime learning into the young earth pony- where it manifests as 4^th wall breaking, knowledge of other-worldly people (who Starswirl also likely encountered during his time and space travels), time travel (to beat rainbow Dash to destinations beforehand), and precognition in the form of Pinkie sense.

 

As to why Starswirl would try and swap destinies with future Pinkie, and become her, in the current timeline- I'd imagine that it could've all been done for the same of trying to learn the meaning of friendship through the destiny of somepony else. Starswirl in his original form, seemed to have never known about friendship, so as he switched destinies with a pony who was the embodiment of laughter and an important piece of the pie that was the elements of harmony, he could learn what he needed in order to complete his spell, back in the past, swap the destinies again, and do things right, once timelines and destinies had been put back as they were. This could also explain why Starswirl, in Pinkie's body/ timeline would so quickly revert to a sad, gloomy, depressed flat-mane state, thinking that the friends that he// she made after so long, would abandon her- thus, making Starswirl feel defeated that he couldn't go back to his own timeline, and complete his spell, with the magic of friendship he had struggled to learn about.

 

The second possibility is Pinkie not being Starswirl, himself, but having his memories and magic planted into her, due to interference and destiny swapping from Starswirl. And perhaps not just Pinkie, but all of the mane 6. Given this possibility, it's possibly we're actually just following Starswirl's adventures in generation 4, but through several different embodiments that house his memories and magic. Because Starswirl hadn't known friendship in his life, thus the mane 6 hadn't immediately been introduced as all friends. Likely, Starswirl- being as powerful as he was- knew that he was nearing death in the past, and due to his time-hopping/ manipulation/ other dimensional/ worldly interference, saw the mane 6 in the future, swapped his destiny with all of theirs, as he returned to his own timeline (from one to another= one being Starswirl's destiny of solitude in his timeline, being swapped with the 'another'- the 6's destinies in the future, who all are pieces of ONE grand force of friendship. A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled. Again, reiterating that Starswirl could've swapped shit, abandoning his current destiny to cause his spell to force his will/ memories/ magic into 6 other ponies that act as one.)

 

Also, as further evidence, each of the mane 6 seem to represent one of Starswirl's characterstics. Pinkie Pie being his sense of humor- as stated that he was most similar to, by Luna, in the IDW comics. Twilight being the studious, magically adept pony that Celestia compared him to. Rainbow Dash being Starswirl's determined side, Fluttershy being the reclusive, socially inept pony that Starswirl was, Rarity being the fashionista that Starswirl was (to have worn such an outfit, and be most noted for), and Apple Jack being the hard worker that he was. Like another super powerful magician by the name of Clow Reed *, it's no stretch of the imagination to assume that Starswirl (thanks to his time-travel and such), had access to future events, which he'd plan, back in his timeline, for many of these situations to enable him to end up completing his spell, through the mane 6 in the future- as he knew he couldn't do so in his life span. And long after his death, it's Starswirl's multitude of magic in Twilight, and the rest of the mane 6 who share his will/ destiny, who manage to get it done.

 

*(Griffon the Brush off, Equestria Girls, Too many Pinkie Pies)

*See card Captor Sakura

[Dulset Tarn 441]

That's silly. Pinkie Pie is actually her own grandmother.

[The Shadow Stallion 127]

As reluctant I am to admit it, I think PinkiePie is secretly a pony god in disguise. Given all her powers she could easily take over equestria with her army of pinkies that she could create.

[IJoinedForPonies 124]

For all you know, she could be a relative of Discord's in disguise. :-P

[Noei 717]

ur argument is well-made and  actually makes sense, imo.

 

Can Pinkie Pie be Starswirl? Of course she can.

 

Just as she can also be an alien, a vampire, her own grandma and even God.

 

It's up to your interpretation. we never know.

 

As for me ? Pinkie being Pinkie is enough .

Edited January 10, 2015 by Mademoiselle Noel

[Dulset Tarn 441]

"But Grammy Pie said that wasn't the way to deal with fears at all."

"I hope I'm remembering the rhymes right from my Nana Pinkie's story."

 

Pinkie Pie's grandmother's name is Pinkie Pie.

[Lord Bradley 1,319]

This would be an extreme plot twist of that were the case. But to be frank, my answer is simply, No. Pinkie Is probably not a relative of Starswirl. I mean, If she was one of Discord's, it would explain a few things, but Starswirl, don't think so. Unless Discord somehow is Starswirl after a failed spell, it would no-... Wait. That could actually make sense. It Starswirl cast an unfinished spell and got turned into Discord and somehow had a foal or put an accidental spell on a pregnant mare(From the Pie family) afterwards then there is a very small percentage that He actually gave the Pie family their unusual powers and personalities through genetics. *Hastily jumps off the chair, grabs a pen and writes new totally original headcanon into a notebook filled with MLP Headcanons right next to Twilight's immortality theory. *