melody5697 195 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 When Luna and Celestia used the Elements of Harmony, Luna was the bearer of the elements of laughter, loyalty, and honesty. Laughter doesn't make sense because she was probably totally miserable. Honesty doesn't make sense because she was hiding how much she was hurting. Loyalty doesn't make sense because she turned into Nightmare Moon not long afterwards. Celestia was the bearer of the elements of kindness, magic, and generosity. Kindness doesn't make sense because she allowed her sister to suffer. If I understand correctly, magic means the magic of friendship, which doesn't make sense because she was such a terrible friend to her sister. I can't really think of anything that shows that she isn't generous. How did they use the elements when they didn't even represent them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,881 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 They were no longer connected to them because in the end ... they did not represent them well. Similar to Balance of the Force having to be achieved by the utter destruction of the Jedi, the Tree of Harmony needed imperfect hosts to find the perfect ones. Of course ... there are six others according to the leaks so they may not be perfect at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melody5697 195 July 13, 2015 Author Share July 13, 2015 They were no longer connected to them because in the end ... they did not represent them well. Similar to Balance of the Force having to be achieved by the utter destruction of the Jedi, the Tree of Harmony needed imperfect hosts to find the perfect ones. Of course ... there are six others according to the leaks so they may not be perfect at all. Six others? Leaks? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinter 3,064 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 (edited) Luna isn't a grumpy guts by nature. She was raised to believe princesses had to be stern and humourless to be taken seriously as rulers and USE A LOUD VOICE WHEN ADDRESSING THE PEASANTS as would Celestia during this time.. Behind palace walls when it was just her and her sister I'm sure she would have been far more mellowed out. And they are no longer connected to them because their battle more or less shattered their connection and on top of that, by sealing Luna away she rendered 3 of the elements inhert making them unusable to Celestia. Edited July 13, 2015 by Malinter 1 My OC's: Malinter, Rahl, Vengeful impact & alias-the-marked-one First fic i've written since forever here Skype: Malinter@Outlook.com "Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier." most legendary quote ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melody5697 195 July 13, 2015 Author Share July 13, 2015 Luna isn't a grumpy guts by nature. She was raised to believe princesses had to be stern and humourless to be taken seriously as rulers and USE A LOUD VOICE WHEN ADDRESSING THE PEASANTS as would Celestia during this time.. Behind palace walls when it was just her and her sister I'm sure she would have been far more mellowed out. And they are no longer connected to them because their battle more or less shattered their connection and on top of that, by sealing Luna away she rendered 3 of the elements inhert making them unusable to Celestia. I never said anything about her being a grumpy guts. I've read The Journal of the Two Sisters, so I know what she used to be like (and she definitely represented the element of laughter back then). When I said she must have been miserable, I was talking about how she was in so much pain she turned into Nightmare Moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath 2,488 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 When I said she must have been miserable, I was talking about how she was in so much pain she turned into Nightmare Moon. Wasn't that after they used the elements of harmony though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinter 3,064 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 (edited) I never said anything about her being a grumpy guts. I've read The Journal of the Two Sisters, so I know what she used to be like (and she definitely represented the element of laughter back then). When I said she must have been miserable, I was talking about how she was in so much pain she turned into Nightmare Moon. Nightmare Moon is a manifestation that fed on anger, jealousy and hate. When one is angry, they can be overwhelmed by it and do things they normally wouldn't do and even ignore pain if the rage is great enough. Luna was only able to start feeling remorse again once this anger had been removed from mind and body by taking the EoH right in the feels. Edited July 13, 2015 by Malinter 1 My OC's: Malinter, Rahl, Vengeful impact & alias-the-marked-one First fic i've written since forever here Skype: Malinter@Outlook.com "Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier." most legendary quote ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 @@melody5697, I think you are not giving either of the characters enough credit OP. For one thing we still don't know a lot about their lives before Discord's reign a thousand years ago. Second, just because Celestia's prominence was what caused Luna to resent her doesn't mean Celestia was intentionally causing her misery. Third, most of Luna's actions that lead her to become Nightmare Moon were being egged on by the Nightmare forces that would later corrupt Rarity. To actually answer your question, I think the two sisters both represented the Elements of Harmony at the time, but due to the very schism that split them, Celestia using them to banish Luna to the moon was the last time she could wield them. 2 My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyNamedEarl 1,332 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 They were only using them until the Mane Six represented the elements and harnessed their power. Creator of MLP Ruined Vines and Recorder Sh*t Equestria's Biggest Hip-Hop Nerd Everyday is Leg Day! Follow me on Twitter: @EarlBrony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melody5697 195 July 13, 2015 Author Share July 13, 2015 (edited) I never said Celestia was INTENTIONALLY causing Luna pain. I'm just gonna leave this conversation because I feel like you all think I'm an idiot. (That's the same way I felt when I asked if Duchess Diamond Waves was an alicorn.) Also, I might give up on a fan fiction I've been working on because now I feel like my idea is stupid. Thank you all so much. Edited July 13, 2015 by melody5697 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinter 3,064 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 (edited) You don't have to give up on your fanfaction, even if you think its stupid. As long you don't do something incredibly silly like have an OC who can transform into an Alicorn lv2 or something and use everyone abilitites and I have read fics where people have done that. As long as your characters are grounded in the world properly and fleshed out right. It should be fine. And there are only 5 princesses in Equestria. Celestia, Luna, Cadence, Twilight and Erroria, the little filly alicorn that appears in Twilight's nightmare of being sent to magic kindergarden XD Edited July 13, 2015 by Malinter 2 My OC's: Malinter, Rahl, Vengeful impact & alias-the-marked-one First fic i've written since forever here Skype: Malinter@Outlook.com "Defeating a sandwich only makes it tastier." most legendary quote ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolyWack 482 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 (edited) I never said Celestia was INTENTIONALLY causing Luna pain. I'm just gonna leave this conversation because I feel like you all think I'm an idiot. (That's the same way I felt when I asked if Duchess Diamond Waves was an alicorn.) Also, I might give up on a fan fiction I've been working on because now I feel like my idea is stupid. Thank you all so much. Ya that fanfiction will never work. Instead make a fanfiction about an OC named Deathgaze Starkiller. Make sure you use pony creator to create an alicorn with lots of rings and jewels on him and use it as your cover art. You also want to make him flawless, no one likes a character with "problems". To be safe, make sure he can single-handedly wield 5 different weapons and take down at least 1000 ponies by himself. Also make him seduce all 4 princesses and make them his sister-wives. I just gave you the formula to create the perfect fanfiction that everyone will love. Use it wisely young apprentice. By the way, that was a joke. Let me give you a quote. "If i had asked customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse" - Henry Ford. Don't let others tell you what to make, thats an honor for you alone. Edited July 13, 2015 by AppleJack_Wack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 I never said Celestia was INTENTIONALLY causing Luna pain. I'm just gonna leave this conversation because I feel like you all think I'm an idiot. (That's the same way I felt when I asked if Duchess Diamond Waves was an alicorn.) Also, I might give up on a fan fiction I've been working on because now I feel like my idea is stupid. Thank you all so much. I never used that terminology and I don't think you are. I did think you weren't giving the two sisters, who are two of my favorite characters, their fair treatment but that's not a mark against your intelligence nor moral character. Please, write your fanfic, as pointed out above you shouldn't ask for others how or what to write. It's your vision. My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melody5697 195 July 13, 2015 Author Share July 13, 2015 I never used that terminology and I don't think you are. I did think you weren't giving the two sisters, who are two of my favorite characters, their fair treatment but that's not a mark against your intelligence nor moral character. Please, write your fanfic, as pointed out above you shouldn't ask for others how or what to write. It's your vision. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say and now I don't feel like trying to explain it. I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel Accord 6,660 July 13, 2015 Share July 13, 2015 I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say and now I don't feel like trying to explain it. I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. You don't need to explain but I believe you, that I likely misunderstood your intent. My ponysona: http://mlpforums.com/page/roleplay-characters/_/steel-accord-r1970 My AMA thread: http://mlpforums.com/topic/76698-as-steel-me-andor-oc/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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