If you developed a guilty conscious with MLP characters and symbolism

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

You know, I never actually thought of MLP's Tartarus as the "afterlife of the bad" but instead more like a maximum security prison where only the worse of the worse are imprisoned. After all Tirek wasnt killed when he was put in there, he was alive.

however, there are many false religions, even amongst "Christianity", and the symbols used by them ae in fact, Satanic, since he is the one misleading those in such religions. In fact, there's a scripture where Jesus even says that not everyone associating themselves with his name will be looked upon by him, or gain his favor, but many- because they call themselves Christian, but are following the works and using tools of Satan- will be destroyed

Then no offense, your God is very petty if he will destroy people for simple misunderstanding. God didnt give these symbols meaning, we flawed humans did. To God, these symbols have no meaning. Its actions and beliefs that matter.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

But the pentagram is pre-Christianity, and it has many variations across cultures in the world. Yes, it was used in Christian mythology, but only briefly before being replaced with the Christian Cross. Its usage then was also similar to the usage of the pentagram from since before Christianity's time. Even Pythagoras used the symbol.

Now, not to topic jump, Nightmare Muffin, but you appear to be quite into the Pokemon franchise. Now I don't see why you would find such problems with a few minor details in Celestia and Twilight, but seem perfectly fine talking about Giratina, Arceus, Rayquaza and co, when they're figuratively gods themselves, with Arceus being a literal definition of a creator god. It seems a bit illogical to see you having no problems with them, but then connecting dots where there are none to begin with, with MLP FiM.

Rayquaza isn't a god. Nor are the others, only Arceus. And for the record, I don’t even own, nor have I played DP. I skipped over them because their box cover image, in spite of them not being gods, were unsettling to me. So the same still applies.

 

I know some things about the games, however, beause the people I subscribe to on YT make cross gen fact and info videos

[Steel Accord 6,660]

You know, I never actually thought of MLP's Tartarus as the "afterlife of the bad" but instead more like a maximum security prison where only the worse of the worse are imprisoned. After all Tirek wasnt killed when he was put in there, he was alive.

 

Well that is kind of what it is. It's closer to the Olympian mold of where those who pissed off the gods would be punished for eternity, and in cruelly, elaborately, ironic fashion according to their crime. (Pretty sure the creators of Saw owe a lot to this myth actually.)

 

Still Tartarus in Equestria fits the idea of the place where the Powers that Be send those deemed as wicked or dangerous by the standards of their cosmology. Tirek was an enemy of harmony and friendship, along with being a massive physical threat, so Celestia and Luna sentenced him their. Not too dissimilar from the idea of King Minos acting as judge for the sinful in Dante's Divine Comedy or Zeus casting out those that were evil.

 

Much crap as the Big Z gets in modern times, most of it deserving, he still was the god of justice and the people he sentenced to Tartarus typically were one kind of monster or another. (Emphasis on typically, Prometheus' fate was completely uncalled for.)

[Sugar Cube 4,843]

The show has continued to deliver positive messages and empower many people while also alleviating depression and/or other negative emotions in its viewers. You hear stories all of the time about how FiM has impacted people in positive ways. I don't care what a few symbols mean in the grand scheme of things because overall the show has done a lot of good for people. Yes, there is some rather curious symbolism here and there. Heck, the all-seeing eye was in pretty plain sight in the Family Appreciation Day episode, just to name one example, but that doesn't automatically mean there's some sinister plot being initiated by the illuminati or some cult. And believe me, I'm probably a certified conspiracy nut, yet I don't let that harm my enjoyment of this particular series. You always have to think about the context in which the symbols are being used, and take it all with a grain of salt regardless.

 

Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark doesn't bear that much of a resemblance to any pentagrams that I know of, not that I am by any means an expert on the subject. As for Celestia's all-seeing eye, I can't name off the top of my head which episode(s) it was, but I know for a fact that both of her eyes have been visible before, so I definitely don't think there's anything intentionally nefarious going on with her design either. And while owls symbolize a lot of things, one of the things they represent is wisdom, so it just makes for a good pet choice for Twilight because of that particular reason.

 

Let us also revel in the fact that all the potentially satanic looking characters like Tirek, Chrysalis, Sombra, and Demon Shimmer got vanquished/reformed by the heroes. Sure, it doesn't necessarily prove anything, but it's comforting all the same.

 

But to properly answer the question, if I was somehow convinced that the show was truly incorporating some dark symbolism into the show and I had cause to believe that it was done on purpose with malevolent intentions, then yeah, I suppose I'd steer clear from the show and reevaluate life.... yeah, let's just hope that's not the case. But think about the different writers, the voice talents, the storyboard artists and anyone else who's had a hand in making this amazing show. Do they really seem like they're trying to indoctrinate anyone with the product?

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Rayquaza isn't a god. Nor are the others, only Arceus. And for the record, I don’t even own, nor have I played DP. I skipped over them because their box cover image, in spite of them not being gods, were unsettling to me. So the same still applies.

 

I know some things about the games, however, beause the people I subscribe to on YT make cross gen fact and info videos

 

All right, if this stuff truly does give you the unsettling feeling of evil, then I think you have every right to turn it away. At the same time though, I just feel like you are trying to be wary of Old Scratch were he simply isn't there, and in fact might be denying yourself a further connection with God.

[The Nth Doctor 663]

And that is why I tend to steer clear of religion - it's gotten warped over the past 2000 years

 

People seem to forget Christ's teachings

 

John 13:34 (NKJV)

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

[Unikitty 1,212]

Rayquaza isn't a god. Nor are the others, only Arceus. And for the record, I don’t even own, nor have I played DP. I skipped over them because their box cover image, in spite of them not being gods, were unsettling to me. So the same still applies.

 

I know some things about the games, however, beause the people I subscribe to on YT make cross gen fact and info videos

They're still representative of gods. Hence the 'mythical' aspect. Here is but two legendary Pokemon who both take influence from mythical creatures, as well as gods.

Rayquaza: "Rayquaza is most likely based on the Hebrew legends of Ziz, the unconquerable primal master of the sky. Its counterparts were Behemoth and Leviathan. Rayquaza's appearance also draws inspiration from other creatures of myth such as the Asian dragon and lindworm.

 Alternatively, Rayquaza matches the description of the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, who was depicted as a flying serpent, and created the boundary between the earth (including the oceans) and the sky. Its trait of being capable of inhabiting the skies, and living there while subsisting on nothing but dew and particles for centuries, also bears aspects of the legendary Chinese xian hermit sages and East Asian dragons."

 

Ho-Oh: "Ho-Oh is based on the legend of the phoenix, specifically the Fenghuang, the immortal phoenix of China from which it derives its name. It is also based on the Huma bird, a legendary bird that is said to never rest, living its entire life flying continuously, and resurrects itself and others in its own ashes and flames. It is a symbol of fortune and friendship and will bestow happiness to anyone who simply glimpses it.

 Many cultures view the Phoenix and Huma as symbols of resurrection; this is seen in Ho-Oh, which was reborn rising from its own ashes and had a hand in resurrecting Suicune, Raikou and Entei. It may also be based on many other firebirds; some examples are the three-legged bird, Simurgh, and the Ember Bird. It also is similar to the rainbow-feathered bird god Achiyalabopa."

 

I can get more examples if needed.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Unikitty

[Steel Accord 6,660]

And that is why I tend to steer clear of religion - it's gotten warped over the past 2000 years

 

People seem to forget Christ's teachings

 

John 13:34 (NKJV)

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

 

Sorry to hear our modern institutions have made you disenchanted with such. I hope at least one person can show you there is peace and wisdom to be found in any faith.

 

You are correct though, before anything and all else, if the rest of the books and letters were lost, as long as that passage endured, Christianity would still have it's core.

They're still representative of gods. Hence the 'mythical' aspect. Here is but two legendary Pokemon who both take influence from mythical creatures, as well as gods.

Rayquaza: "Rayquaza is most likely based on the Hebrew legends of Ziz, the unconquerable primal master of the sky. Its counterparts were Behemoth and Leviathan. Rayquaza's appearance also draws inspiration from other creatures of myth such as the Asian dragon and lindworm.

 Alternatively, Rayquaza matches the description of the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, who was depicted as a flying serpent, and created the boundary between the earth (including the oceans) and the sky. Its trait of being capable of inhabiting the skies, and living there while subsisting on nothing but dew and particles for centuries, also bears aspects of the legendary Chinese xian hermit sages and East Asian dragons."

 

Ho-Oh: "Ho-Oh is based on the legend of the phoenix, specifically the Fenghuang, the immortal phoenix of China from which it derives its name. It is also based on the Huma bird, a legendary bird that is said to never rest, living its entire life flying continuously, and resurrects itself and others in its own ashes and flames. It is a symbol of fortune and friendship and will bestow happiness to anyone who simply glimpses it.

 Many cultures view the Phoenix and Huma as symbols of resurrection; this is seen in Ho-Oh, which was reborn rising from its own ashes and had a hand in resurrecting Suicune, Raikou and Entei. It may also be based on many other firebirds; some examples are the three-legged bird, Simurgh, and the Ember Bird. It also is similar to the rainbow-feathered bird god Achiyalabopa."

 

I can get more examples if needed.

 

God, I love Pokemon. Along with Equestria and the Four Nations, it's one of the few fictional worlds I would gladly live in.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Steel Accord

[ManaMinori 4,145]

The show has continued to deliver positive messages and empower many people while also alleviating depression and/or other negative emotions in its viewers. You hear stories all of the time about how FiM has impacted people in positive ways. I don't care what a few symbols mean in the grand scheme of things because overall the show has done a lot of good for people. Yes, there is some rather curious symbolism here and there. Heck, the all-seeing eye was in pretty plain sight in the Family Appreciation Day episode, just to name one example, but that doesn't automatically mean there's some sinister plot being initiated by the illuminati or some cult. And believe me, I'm probably a certified conspiracy nut, yet I don't let that harm my enjoyment of this particular series. You always have to think about the context in which the symbols are being used, and take it all with a grain of salt regardless.

 

Twilight Sparkle's cutie mark doesn't bear that much of a resemblance to any pentagrams that I know of, not that I am by any means an expert on the subject. As for Celestia's all-seeing eye, I can't name off the top of my head which episode(s) it was, but I know for a fact that both of her eyes have been visible before, so I definitely don't think there's anything intentionally nefarious going on with her design either. And while owls symbolize a lot of things, one of the things they represent is wisdom, so it just makes for a good pet choice for Twilight because of that particular reason.

 

Let us also revel in the fact that all the potentially satanic looking characters like Tirek, Chrysalis, Sombra, and Demon Shimmer got vanquished/reformed by the heroes. Sure, it doesn't necessarily prove anything, but it's comforting all the same.

 

But to properly answer the question, if I was somehow convinced that the show was truly incorporating some dark symbolism into the show and I had cause to believe that it was done on purpose with malevolent intentions, then yeah, I suppose I'd steer clear from the show and reevaluate life.... yeah, let's just hope that's not the case. But think about the different writers, the voice talents, the storyboard artists and anyone else who's had a hand in making this amazing show. Do they really seem like they're trying to indoctrinate anyone with the product?

I'm not letting my concerns, conscious, or beleifs intefere with my enjoyment of the show or its morals. I still like the show, most of its characters, and I'd be lying if I said that MLP hasn't had some influence on me, by drawing me out of my shell a bit. So there's no question on my still finding enjoyment with the show. It's just certain characters that I don't like, just like everyone has characters that they dislike, for whatever reason

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@@Steel Accord, I still think it better fits the decription of a Maximum Security Prison, as Tirek wasn't tortured there, just imprisoned. 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I'm not letting my concerns, conscious, or beleifs intefere with my enjoyment of the show or its morals. I still like the show, most of its characters, and I'd be lying if I said that MLP hasn't had some influence on me, by drawing me out of my shell a bit. So there's no question on my still finding enjoyment with the show. It's just certain characters that I don't like, just like everyone has characters that they dislike, for whatever reason

 

Fair enough. I've certainly heard of MORE irrational reasons for disliking members of the Mane Six.

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

This is just silly.

 

I'm going to stop eating Cocoa Puffs for breakfast because they're spherical. You know what else is spherical? Earth. And Hitler was born on Earth, so I can't do it anymore.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

This is just silly.

 

I'm going to stop eating Cocoa Puffs for breakfast because they're spherical. You know what else is spherical? Earth. And Hitler was born on Earth, so I can't do it anymore.

 

For once, we are in agreement.

[ManaMinori 4,145]

All right, if this stuff truly does give you the unsettling feeling of evil, then I think you have every right to turn it away. At the same time though, I just feel like you are trying to be wary of Old Scratch were he simply isn't there, and in fact might be denying yourself a further connection with God.

even if I am, I'd much rather be "safe than sorry", and carry out my beleifs with a clean conscious, since God sees what's in our hearts and dislikes hypocrisy.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

@@Nightmare Muffin,My problem is you are hating characters simply for having a certain cutie mark, something THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. Its like hating someone for their race. 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

@@Steel Accord, I still think it better fits the decription of a Maximum Security Prison, as Tirek wasn't tortured there, just imprisoned. 

 

Neither was Cronus tortured, he's still the "Devil" of Greek mythology and chained at the bottom of the abyss. So again, you're right, it is a prison, but I highly doubt they'd send run of the mill crooks like Flim and Flam there.

even if I am, I'd much rather be "safe than sorry", and carry out my beleifs with a clean conscious, since God sees what's in our hearts and dislikes hypocrisy.

 

There's "better safe than sorry" and then there's outright paranoia. Not saying you are but these posts come across as such. Seeing evil and conspiratorial patterns in mundane or even benign places and things.

@@Nightmare Muffin,My problem is you are hating characters simply for having a certain cutie mark, something THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER. Its like hating someone for their race. 

 

All right Wyllow, let's remember perspective. I highly doubt Muffin is a racist or homophobe just because they're a bit arbitrarily discriminative on what products they buy.

[Unikitty 1,212]

even if I am, I'd much rather be "safe than sorry", and carry out my beleifs with a clean conscious, since God sees what's in our hearts and dislikes hypocrisy.

But then you'd be guilty of hypocrisy for supporting Pokemon. As I explained before, but was evidently ignored, you seem to be making something out of nothing. You're paying little heed towards anything that may contradict you or be something you have no rebuttal for. All these 'reasons' you present just seem to be full of fallacies and bias. :/

But if it makes you feel better, I guess do as you want. It just doesn't sit well that you'd blame something else, when there really is nothing there to blame.

[AccountNoLongerUsed 741]

All right Wyllow, let's remember perspective. I highly doubt Muffin is a racist or homophobe just because they're a bit arbitrarily discriminative on what products they buy.

I of course dont think Muffin is racist. I just think that hating a character because of something they cant control is rather....off.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I of course dont think Muffin is racist. I just think that hating a character because of something they cant control is rather....off.

 

Well you ain't alone, but they've made their point clear that they won't be convinced in your case or helped in mine, so what can we do?

[Tesla 167]

lots of pagan and Masonic symbolism, like Sunbutt's eye being drawn clearly to look like the eye of Horus, or the fact that She always has one of her eyes Covered as a masonic/ Luciferian symbol, her owning a pet phoenix, which smbolizes rebirth, a symbol also used by the occult cults, Twilight's 6 pointed star cutie mark representing a hexagram/ Marian star- magic- aka, alchemy, which has historical ties with Freemasonry and Luciferian occult, and the fact that she has an owl as a peet, symbolizing Minerva, the goddess of wisdom, and enlightenment. Not to mention that owls are symbolic in pagan worship, and mock human sacrifices. (Like what goes on at Bohemian Grove, amongst the world elite- the "enlightened ones" who view themselves as the rulers of the planet)

 

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i think your over reacting a bit  and over thinking to say the least mlp is about friendship and theres no reason to bring 'religion or beleifs into it 

[Steel Accord 6,660]

i think your over reacting a bit  and over thinking to say the least mlp is about friendship and theres no reason to bring 'religion or beleifs into it 

 

Agree with the first part but not the second. It's unfair to bring a belief of idealism, harmony, the common good of humanity into this? Those themes are why I love this show!

[ManaMinori 4,145]

But then you'd be guilty of hypocrisy for supporting Pokemon. As I explained before, but was evidently ignored, you seem to be making something out of nothing. You're paying little heed towards anything that may contradict you or be something you have no rebuttal for. All these 'reasons' you present just seem to be full of fallacies and bias. :/

But if it makes you feel better, I guess do as you want. It just doesn't sit well that you'd blame something else, when there really is nothing there to blame.

or it could simply be that I'm having trouble keeping up and trying to give everyone a response in addittion to trying to look into researching your last post, on my own. That doesn't make me a hypocrite

[Goat-kun 2,527]

This road goes nowhere Muffin. You have concerns about pagan symbolism and we all acknowledge them. What many don’t acknowledge is the weight you ascribe to them. I’ll go out and say it: I freakin love magic and pagan symbols! Elder Futhark, Ogham, ankh, Eye of Horus, all the pagan deities and their attributes, heck, I’ll even throw in alchemy, demonology, and Kabbalah for good measure. Does that mean I’ll go out of my way to mock your beliefs? I would never do that. However, you must also understand that your concerns don’t mean much on a forum dedicated to small and colorful magical equines living in a world that’s heavily influenced by Greek mythology. Are we cool?

[Tesla 167]

Agree with the first part but not the second. It's unfair to bring a belief of idealism, harmony, the common good of humanity into this? Those themes are why I love this show!

okay that maybe didnt sound how i meant

 

i mean like the way he's calling out certain beleifs as bad everyone is entitled to their own beleifs and should not be descriminated

[Unikitty 1,212]

or it could simply be that I'm having trouble keeping up and trying to give everyone a response in addittion to trying to look into researching your last post, on my own. That doesn't make me a hypocrite

 

If that's the case, then I apologise for the presumption.

But it's still hypocritical that you support Pokemon, but find error in a couple of 'subliminal messages' in MLP. Unless you can find evidence that shows either you don't support Pokemon(which isn't possible as you've already stated how you enjoy it), or that the evidence I've proposed is in some manner false(which, again, I'm sure it isn't as it was taken directly from the best source of Pokemon information), then I'll still have to presume you're only looking at the parts you want to see and making an issue where there isn't one.