Is Twilight more arrogant than she makes herself sound?

[Cleverclover 1,526]

 

 

Given that Twilight's talent is magic itself, then yes, I would absolutely expect her to learn every possible facet about it that she can.

 

Would that happen to include dark magic? Spells that torture? Spells that kill? She should just be given full access to every bit of magic she can get her hooves on, with no limits, no boundaries, and even no responsibility whatsoever?

 

Because Lord knows, she hasn't caused enough damage already through negligent magic usage. 

 

Oh, and I happen to be a firm believer in preserving scientific ethics, which is partly why I find the breezy spell atrocious, even within the context of the show. 

[-Octavia- 1,176]

Would that happen to include dark magic?

As a matter of fact, it does. The knowledge of dark magic was a necessity in order for Twilight to save the Crystal Empire from Sombra. 

 

 

 

She should just be given full access to every bit of magic she can get her hooves on, with no limits, no boundaries, and even no responsibility whatsoever?

What is she, pre-reformed Discord? Nightmare Moon? Sombra? And if you'll note: the book from where she learned the spell was in the Castle of the Two Sisters. Are you saying your mistrust extends to Luna and Celestia, as well? This and the rest of your arguments are clearly trying to vilify her, and I am beginning to wonder whether or not you are simply biased against her as a character. And for as much as you make the claim of "negligent magic usage", her actions have been a boon to Equestria far more often and to far greater degrees than any mistake that any other pony could have made. She is surely responsible enough to handle her own element, otherwise I don't imagine the Tree of Harmony would have designated Magic to her.

 

And please elaborate for me this "atrocity" that allowed the Breezies safe passage home. I heard no dispute from the others when Twilight announced she would be performing a spell that "might make them feel funny." In fact, one group member (three guesses who) expressed excitement. And if we take the intended purpose of science and engineering, which is to improve the quality of life/humanity through innovative technology and ideas, is this not what they did? They took an applied science (i.e. the transfiguration), and used it to assist in the improvement of the Breezies' condition. Not just for the ones lost outside, either, but an entire colony that is sealed away from Equestria for periods at a time. Without such a spell, the losses could have been disastrous, making the spell a beneficial necessity.

 

Edit: I am not saying that she be allowed to just magic whatever she wants whenever she wants. I imagine it would take a considerable amount of skill and energy to achieve those levels of magic. But this is an instance where, I believe, magic is properly displayed as an ingenious solution to a problem. You may not believe that, and that is fine. I apologize if my post appeared to have any animosity; it was not my intention.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Wubtavia

[Celli 4,343]

Well, I don't think she is. I could see some people taking the context of certain scenes as arrogance. But, to me, it's more just confidence sometimes, I think.

No, if anything, Rainbow Dash is more arrogant than she comes off as. 

[Lucky Shot 232]

I wouldn't consider Twilight to be arrogant per se. She's spent most of her life dedicated solely to study and takes the wisdom she's acquired very seriously because it's her strongest quality (and she might perceive it as her only quality.) In addition, she has an obsessive love of helping others and a neurotic hatred for inaccuracy or imperfection.

 

All of these combine to make Twilight nosy and prone to correcting others on trivial things, helping when she isn't needed, and proud / happy with herself when she has some knowledge to share. This makes her appear condescending. However, Twilight's apparent smugness vanishes very quickly whenever someone else speaks up with sufficient authority or emotional appeal, indicating that she's not at all arrogant. She's especially ashamed and humble whenever she's proven to be wrong or mistaken -- not because she was wrong, but because she was stubborn and closed-minded about it. There's an entire episode focusing on this side of her (Zecora, Super Naturals, etc.)

 

Like Rarity, Twilight gets carried away and can forget about others' viewpoints, but responds very cooperatively to reality checks. While Rarity suffers from conflict between self-interest and generosity, Twilight is merely very naive about the world outside of schoolbooks, and frequently tries to solve her problems with the tools she is master of -- science, math, logic & reason -- with poor results.

[Lucario14 26]

No way. Sure at the start she was a shut and trained under Celestia herself in so naturally she thought her methods were better than other ponies but as time passed she became more open to her friends for example how she initially did not trust pinkie's sense or how she didn't like rarity's dress for her (all the others didn't either though). We can say she is quick to offer her suggestions and her two cents on how to approach situations but to me she is the leader type. Plus out of all the problems of her friends she deals with on a daily basis, she has to assume the role of leader to keep the others in check because she actually figures things out way more often than the others do (like how to get her friends back against discord, and that Cadence was a fake, and how to stop the vines from the evergreen forest destroying ponyville, and how to get the crystal heart to stop King Sombra and how to switch the cutie marks back to their original owners).   

[They call me Loyalty 1,951]

Is there anything wrong with being arrogant? You might wanna look into the reasons beyond the cause itself. It might help you ease yourself.

[ManaMinori 4,146]

Her line in EqD Rainbow Rocks, "I'm supposed to be the one with all the answers.", I think, very much proves just how conceited she still is.

[cider float 2,539]

Her line in EqD Rainbow Rocks, "I'm supposed to be the one with all the answers.", I think, very much proves just how conceited she still is.

That's more or less she knows the others look up to her being the brain and playing that role as she did against the many challenges she has proven herself to like Discord, Magical Mystery Cure, Nightmare Moon, Sombra etc. Anyone would be devastated when they couldn't perform their profession suddenly.

[UnknownFry 169]

No, but she can let things still get to her head, and she can get overconfident at times, but I would say is pretty humble for the most part, and she seldomly abuses her powers as is.

 

I would say she was far more arrogant at the start of the series than she is now at this point if one insists on such a label.

 

People can try to take things out of context to make her look bad while ignoring key details, but it still does not change the fact of what her characterization actually is.

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

Her line in EqD Rainbow Rocks, "I'm supposed to be the one with all the answers.", I think, very much proves just how conceited she still is.

 

First off, she puts herself in that position, because her friends count on her. She dosen't says that because she is arrogant, but because she wants to fulfill that role, even under alot of stress.

 

Secondly, how is it arrogant to help your friends?

[ManaMinori 4,146]

First off, she puts herself in that position, because her friends count on her. She dosen't says that because she is arrogant, but because she wants to fulfill that role, even under alot of stress.

 

Secondly, how is it arrogant to help your friends?

to think you're all that and a bag of chips, and have every answer to everyone's problems is arrogance. Plain and simple.

Helping your friends is a different matter entirely. You don't go "I'm supposed to have the answer to everyone's issues" to just be there and help a friend.

[Mesme Rize 15,690]

to think you're all that and a bag of chips, and have every answer to everyone's problems is arrogance. Plain and simple.

Helping your friends is a different matter entirely. You don't go "I'm supposed to have the answer to everyone's issues" to just be there and help a friend.

 

There is a difference with forcing yourself that burden on and acting all high and mighty.

 

Twilight said that, because she was under pressure and didn't want to show a sign of weakness towards her friends, because they count on her.

[-Octavia- 1,176]

to think you're all that and a bag of chips, and have every answer to everyone's problems is arrogance. Plain and simple.

Helping your friends is a different matter entirely. You don't go "I'm supposed to have the answer to everyone's issues" to just be there and help a friend.

You don't? I do. If someone is looking to me for answers, I do everything in my power to get them the best answers possible. If I don't know about the particular topic they're inquiring about, I feel compelled to research everything that I can about it so I can give them what they are looking for. Otherwise, I start feeling like I let down a friend who looked to me for answers, because that is how we help, and how we are there for friends.

 

So forgive me if I appear blunt, but you are coming off as a bit arrogant to assume we feel that we're "all that and a bag of chips", to use your colloquialism. It's just how some people help, and there isn't anything wrong with that. Other people give hugs or listen. Different strokes for different folks.

Edited September 25, 2015 by Wubtavia