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[GreyScholar 1,584]

I'm still stressing a bit, I have like six replies to make.

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

I'm still stressing a bit, I have like six replies to make.

Well, now you have a week to do it! That should make things easier, right? 

[GreyScholar 1,584]

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Oh I would still like to make my first post today. 

[Anneal 2,197]

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As i said its a work in progress, i just threw them on there for a general idea of the area. I agree to all ze points.... except the scientific-rational distance... that sea is always cold and few would venture there. Rationals would have no reason to travel that much up north. Also, scientific nations just came out of isolationism, so their ships would only now start to appear.

 

Medieval tech navies could travel on the coast... and i dont see how their blocked... all scientifics are up in a corner... and the only magical is medeis... i dont see how their blocking each other... could you:

 

 

 

Scynthrae has to be immidiately south of EQ and the badlands arent nearly large enough to be split...

The 2 traditionals are the flock and pruine... I dont really get what u mean tbh. I can do the moving landmass down though. Also moving woodbo... woddboro.... the islands is fine by me =p

 

The sea isn't cold all-season long, and while it's true that the scientific nations are isolationist, that doesn't mean all individuals share the same idea (and some are only isolationist from wars and foreign affairs, not trade). They have several decades of time, and they could wait until the summer to set sail and come back before winter (and it's a permafrost sea, then the scientific nations are pretty much living in the tundras).

 

By blocked, I mean that traditionals simply don't have enough technology to set sail and reach the other scientific and rational nations (which contradicts with the fact that they know about them). Europeans in medieval times didn't know how to sail against the wind very well, Mongols didn't even care about having a navy, the Chinese and Indians mostly had their ships on rivers and lakes, and the Muslims...you know, the Crusades.

 

And Woodbourough is too close to Hetiandi and other countries, in my opinion. Being much smaller and lacking in freshwater, it would have logically been SOI'd (sphere of influence), if not set as a protectorate or tribute colony.

[The Pixelated Pony 883]

The sea isn't cold all-season long, and while it's true that the scientific nations are isolationist, that doesn't mean all individuals share the same idea (and some are only isolationist from wars and foreign affairs, not trade). They have several decades of time, and they could wait until the summer to set sail and come back before winter (and it's a permafrost sea, then the scientific nations are pretty much living in the tundras).

 

By blocked, I mean that traditionals simply don't have enough technology to set sail and reach the other scientific and rational nations (which contradicts with the fact that they know about them). Europeans in medieval times didn't know how to sail against the wind very well, Mongols didn't even care about having a navy, the Chinese and Indians mostly had their ships on rivers and lakes, and the Muslims...you know, the Crusades.

 

And Woodbourough is too close to Hetiandi and other countries, in my opinion. Being much smaller and lacking in freshwater, it would have logically been SOI'd (sphere of influence), if not set as a protectorate or tribute colony.

Actually Woodborough is supposed to be near Equestria as during the industrial revolution (in real life) it builds a bridge to transport coal via train to Equestria

[Lordav 3,427]

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CAn we do this in the PM i sent =p

 

What i meant was that there is a fear of the outside world to all Scientfics.... idoctriantion by the church + bla.... we just presume (for RPs) sake that they didint know of each other. BTW none of the traditionals have navies.... so i dont see how that affects anything XD.... and they most likely would use rowboats. I will move the Wood-bnasifnjafn XD

[Anneal 2,197]

@, 

 

CAn we do this in the PM i sent =p

 

What i meant was that there is a fear of the outside world to all Scientfics.... idoctriantion by the church + bla.... we just presume (for RPs) sake that they didint know of each other. BTW none of the traditionals have navies.... so i dont see how that affects anything XD.... and they most likely would use rowboats. I will move the Wood-bnasifnjafn XD

 

Still has a bit of disbelief that every single pony is like that...surely there are explorers here and there, legally or illegally.

 

(( Don't need to place this in PM, it's kind of short ))

[Lordav 3,427]

Still has a bit of disbelief that every single pony is like that...surely there are explorers here and there, legally or illegally.

 

(( Don't need to place this in PM, it's kind of short ))

Well... ppl are to busy staying alive than to explore.... but for RP sake.... i dont want an ocean between them... its a small detail that doesnt have that much of a major impact as connections will be made asap =p

[Flamestreak1990 1,172]

Ok I posted was it good?

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Ok I posted was it good?

Yeah, it was great! 

[Flamestreak1990 1,172]

Yeah, it was great! 

Thank you I was worrying that it didn't make sense considering what my nation is like

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Thank you I was worrying that it didn't make sense considering what my nation is like

I liked it, and I didn't find it confusing at all. It gave us a very good sense of who your leader is, which is marvelous!

[Durandal 623]

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My only problem with your post is this:
 

"um...ponssia?" she suggested unsurely
"They don't they seem to be willing to trade with anyone and beside they don't have much food either."
Flame replied. "Ok how about Kingdom of the Shetland?"
Flame laughed "They hate us we hate them." He said bluntly with a hint of contempt in his voice.

 

It states here that you should have no knowledge of them:
 

Hordes/Traditionals:
 
You guys have knowladge of both the rational and magical nations. No idea of the scientific ones (they were solationist). You start in the east, usually in vast plains/ steppes/ tundra. Idea is.... ur a kind of russia/mongols. Go have your fun. YOu guys can know/ not know each other, your choice.

 

Why not replace Ponssia and Shetland with the Dominion and Equestria? I imagine Equestria would be disgusted by your practices, and I'll leave it up to you whether the Flock is prejudiced against changelings.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Durandal

[Flamestreak1990 1,172]

@,

My only problem with your post is this:

 

 

 

It states here that you should have no knowledge of them:

 

 

 

Why not replace Ponssia and Shetland with the Dominion and Equestria? I imagine Equestria would be disgusted by your practices, and I'll leave it up to you whether the Flock is prejudiced against changelings.

 

Oh yeah I forgot about that I'ok change it later but I'm not sure if equestria will fit

[CrimsonWeb 786]

Just so everyone knows, Ill probably be gone for awhile as Ill be playing fallout4 from now on. Ill try to keep up and post every now and then though!

[Once In A Blue Moon 895]

@Gloomfury

 

 

Most of the pirate captains fleet have 430 ships, sometimes higher or lower. The pirate kings has few more then that, putting 600 in his fleet. But most of the other pirate captains are part of his fleet. Which branches out to them having their own fleet putting the count up to 3,129 ships

 

 

I was just reading the national information thread, and I do have to query whether 3,129 ships is rather too many. To put it in perspective, in 1860 the Royal Navy had, I believe, about 1,700  1000 ships supported by the massive economy of the British Empire, and at that point was the undisputed naval superpower (i.e. would be over-the-top OP in this RP.) Since sea trade is still relatively low in the RP (there are no major national trade fleets. I believe, so the pirates would have to prey on isolated independent traders) I don't think that 3,129 ships could be supported by piracy (or at all.) If it's a scientific nation (at least from the tech point of view) with high-end ships then even 312 might be too many - modern ships are expensive to support, but pay for it by offering unrivaled power and influence over other nations (80 wooden ships, or as few as 20 high-end ironclads could potentially keep the Shetland navy at bay and stop almost all trade - crushing any hope of developing the economy and removing any influence they have in the world.) Certainly if you use a predator-prey model then you would have many merchant ships per pirate ship (100+:1, potentially) so even 100 pirate ships could be a bit optimistic (but fair in the RP if naval power is all they have.)

Edited November 11, 2015 by Once In A Blue Moon

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Once In A Blue Moon, 

 

He is still stuck in the age of sai.... also i made sure to balance it out. Most of his ships are schooners and brigs, small raiding ships. Also, his navy is highly decentralized.... more like independant captains everywhere. Add this to his virtually non-existant land army and low population. He is on a tiny island.  His ships are all wooden hulled- sail propelled 1600-1700 ships. Also, his cannons are the same. What im trying to point out is, that if a 'coalition' of nations (like all the scientifics for ex) our superior technology would make most of his numbers useless... however not an easy task =)

 

Think of it as all the pirates in the world answering to a king.

[Once In A Blue Moon 895]

 

 

 His ships are all wooden hulled- sail propelled 1600-1700 ships.

Ah, I see. I saw 'scientific' and imagined a gigantic fleet of 1840s wooden sail warships. A breakdown of larger / significant ships (5th rate and up) and lesser ships would be handy - speaking of which, I really should do the same for the Shetland navy.

[Lordav 3,427]

Ah, I see. I saw 'scientific' and imagined a gigantic fleet of 1840s wooden sail warships. A breakdown of larger / significant ships (5th rate and up) and lesser ships would be handy - speaking of which, I really should do the same for the Shetland navy.

Sure, PM me the numbers... 

 

btw, The ships you met with aren't ironclads.... their ironcladded..... just armoured. I dont have that many ironclads, look at my fleet comp. =)

 

 

A breakdown of larger / significant ships (5th rate and up) and lesser ships would be handy

 

 

Here:

 

Fleet Composition

1834 Schooners - fast, ideal for taking on, raiding merchent ships and getting away before the navy arrives. They were also the best raiding ships and one of the most widely used ship out there. 18 guns

1396 Brigs - A good balance between fire and mobility. Brigs are ideal for taking on frigates by ounumbering and outmanouvering them. They are also another favorite for trade raiding. Again another widely used ship by pirates. 26 guns

690 Frigates - The backbone of the fighting fleet, with an acceptable speed and a well armed number of cannons, frigates are good for patrolling, fighting and blockading, as well as raiding larger, slower merchant convoys. 46 guns

168 Man o' Wars - Slow and heavy, these huge gun batteries hold enourmous amounts of crew and guns. Usualy only used during wartime due to their slow nature and expensive maintainance, these warships are strong enough to put up a fight against pretty much any enemy out there. 65/74/82 guns in the ratio 70/55/40.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

Think of it as all the pirates in the world answering to a king.

I'm sorry, but I am going to, politely, call BS on this to an extent for the reason that pirates are more often then not a selfish and greedy lot. Unless this pirate king had something that all other pirates feared they would not be there whenever he called. They may help or aid when requested, but only if they get a share of the treasure and could do so safely. Captains would look out for themselves and their crew and many would probably resist answering the call of a king unless they were bullied into such.

 

... yet I admit, though as just my thoughts and opinion. I agree to feeling such high number of ships is a bit unreasonable even if they are there to balance things.

[Lordav 3,427]

I'm sorry, but I am going to, politely, call BS on this to an extent for the reason that pirates are more often then not a selfish and greedy lot. Unless this pirate king had something that all other pirates feared they would not be there whenever he called. They may help or aid when requested, but only if they get a share of the treasure and could do so safely. Captains would look out for themselves and their crew and many would probably resist answering the call of a king unless they were bullied into such.

 

... yet I admit, though as just my thoughts and opinion. I agree to feeling such high number of ships is a bit unreasonable even if they are there to balance things.

The minimization of his fleet is on my to-do list

 

I think its based on the Pirates of the Caribbean. If you watched the 3rd movies (the bad one.... wait.... theyre alost all bad), thats the kind of relationship im talking bout. They are fighting each other, but the 'central pirate city' is a place they al want to defend. The number of ships is huge... ik but consider that half of em are:

 

 

 

Pretty small

 

And another third are

 

 

 

Still small

 

Lets not forget that these pirates.. wouldnt exactly be the equivalent of our pirates. Its more of an alliance between independant fleets, who agreed to serve under a collective ruler. IN return for... idk.

 

Its pretty unprobable ik.... but this is rainbow pony land XD

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@@Lordav,

At the very least I feel the pirate king would need to have done is something that gained the respect of captains and pirates everywhere, even if only grudging respect. Something to prove himself and show that he was worthy of the title king, while then being able to hold such a title against any and all challengers.

[Lordav 3,427]

@@Lordav,

At the very least I feel the pirate king would need to have done is something that gained the respect of captains and pirates everywhere, even if only grudging respect. Something to prove himself and show that he was worthy of the title king, while then being able to hold such a title against any and all challengers.

Although I agree, I do not think it is that much of an important aspect atm. As this would probably have no effect on the course of the RP. Though i believe the fact that this is more of a loosly-controlled coalition of captains, if one plays his cards right, he could sow discontent among their ranks =)

[Once In A Blue Moon 895]

 

 

.... but this is rainbow pony land XD

 

 

 

Unless this pirate king had something that all other pirates feared they would not be there whenever he called.

 

I'm fine with the idea of a 'pirate king' because, in line with the 'rainbow pony land' principle, it makes for good stories, and because it can be treated as a highly unstable authoritarian / tribal system - the biggest tribe (in this case, the ' king's ' tribe - who is so by merit of having the [most / best] [ships / cunning]) calling the shots in a vague and haphazard way that may or may not be followed (think about the fun if a powerful lieutenant breaks an agreement that the king made - the potential for intrigue and power-play is tremendous.) 

[Anneal 2,197]

The minimization of his fleet is on my to-do list

 

I think its based on the Pirates of the Caribbean. If you watched the 3rd movies (the bad one.... wait.... theyre alost all bad), thats the kind of relationship im talking bout. They are fighting each other, but the 'central pirate city' is a place they al want to defend. The number of ships is huge... ik but consider that half of em are:

 

 

 

Pretty small

 

And another third are

 

 

 

Still small

 

Lets not forget that these pirates.. wouldnt exactly be the equivalent of our pirates. Its more of an alliance between independant fleets, who agreed to serve under a collective ruler. IN return for... idk.

 

Its pretty unprobable ik.... but this is rainbow pony land XD

 

I'll say this once, and I'll say this again.

 

The RP taking place in a fictional world does not excuse you from logic and common sense whatsoever. No excuses.

 

Personally I find a navy to have more than 3000 ships completely BS, even if they were all tiny little gunboats and schooners. Their land sizes doesn't give that much space to dock that ridiculously massive navy, and to top that off they would need a ridiculous amount of wood, food, steel, you name it, to keep all of those ships in perfect quality, and let me mention that not a single country or pirate faction in the world has ever gone close to that number in their navy, irregular or regular. China, India, United States, United Kingdom, you name it, hardly if ever got past 500 warships in total, not in WWII, not in WWI, not a single time since the beginning of man. Not even all of the world's warships today get up to 3000 (if we were counting other ships such as rescue or transports, maybe, but still).

 

No one will keep that massive of a navy either because of basic naval logistics. Like I mentioned before, it's impossible for one country to maintain even for the most basic needs because of space, resources, and so on. And trust me, it's not as easy as you think it is to find a good location for a dock. You really only need at least 100 ships to be a significant naval power, especially at this time.

 

Second of all I want to talk about Pruine's military, which is also total BS. 9 million? Really? Apparently your military is bigger than China's or North Korea's then, because they're not even close to that number either because of a similar issue: cost, resources, and labor needed. Even the Mongols, the Romans, the Persians, the Imperial Chinese never got to even a fifth of that amount, especially in peacetime, because they were smart enough to realize you can only get a percentage of other resources from raids or tributes. You still need basic agriculture and commerce, even if your country is semi-nomadic, otherwise you're screwed.

 

That's why it's also a rule of thumb to keep your military less than 10% during war, and 5% during peacetime (look at North Korea if you want to see what happens if you go above that). That's just the bare minimum so you don't go dirt poor if you aren't already.