How do you feel about celestia being so out of focus post s2?

[toonami97 25]

Oh them.

 

To be honest, no she doesn't. Or to put it another way, she deserves NOT to have an episode. Again, as I've said, part of what makes both her and Luna interesting is that we don't know a lot about them. Yes they both have unique traits that make them defined characters but they suffer when the story is ABOUT them. They're like Columbo or James Bond, they're best presented when we see what they do not who they are, and that what is hold the fabric of the world together. Something that would be tedious and repetitive if shown in detail over the course of even one episode.

If all the other princesses can get a ep. then she deserves one.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

If all the other princesses can get a ep. then she deserves one.

 

What about though? Luna had trouble adjusting to modern times, Cadence wanted to reconnect with her sister in-law, Twilight had to discover her destiny. As a writer you can't just plop a character as the focus of an episode and not give them something to resolve simply because you like the character, storytelling doesn't work that way!

 

Celestia is a fully realized and mature character, her "arc" was completed in the pilot. She reunited with Luna whom she still felt guilt about exiling, justified as it might have been. That was the long and short of her character development.

 

Going back to Obi-Wan Kenobi, did he go through an arc at all in the original trilogy? No, because his story was in the past, it was already told. Celestia is the same. Luna had a problem because she was exiled and needed to re-integrate, Celestia has been around for more than a century, any emotional baggage she has has been more than settled by this point.

[toonami97 25]

What about though? Luna had trouble adjusting to modern times, Cadence wanted to reconnect with her sister in-law, Twilight had to discover her destiny. As a writer you can't just plop a character as the focus of an episode and not give them something to resolve simply because you like the character, storytelling doesn't work that way!

 

Celestia is a fully realized and mature character, her "arc" was completed in the pilot. She reunited with Luna whom she still felt guilt about exiling, justified as it might have been. That was the long and short of her character development.

 

Going back to Obi-Wan Kenobi, did he go through an arc at all in the original trilogy? No, because his story was in the past, it was already told. Celestia is the same. Luna had a problem because she was exiled and needed to re-integrate, Celestia has been around for more than a century, any emotional baggage she has has been more than settled by this point.

I was saying maybe they can flesh her out more and shes 1000+ years old and she did show some emotional baggage even if its non canon or fixed.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

I was saying maybe they can flesh her out more and shes 1000+ years old and she did show some emotional baggage even if its non canon or fixed.

 

Why would they make an episode that's non-canon? Hell they kind of just did that, but that had the excuse of time travel screwing up the present.

 

And we've already seen Celestia in the past when Twilight had those flashbacks. Anything in the intervening years after Luna's exile was a time of peace where nothing bad, and therefore interesting, happened.

 

Second of all, even if the writer's were to go back and just pull some negative stuff from nowhere, why would they do that now? No one's asking questions about Celestia or her past. Not even you, you just want to see more of her. That's not enough for a writer to make a story out of.

 

Example:

 

Celestia sat upon her throne her throne, signing off on a motion to expand a Manehatten borough. All of a sudden the castle doors burst open and one of her attendees rushed in. 

 

"Princess! I have urgent news." The mare said as she approached the throne and bowed.

 

"Yes? Go on, Page Turner." Celestia said.

 

"It's . . . it's . . . . a scheduling conflict! The mayor of Ponyville and the president of the academy for gifted unicorns are both supposed to see you at three this afternoon." Page appeared to go dizzy. Celestia chuckled.

 

"Calm down dear, it's quite all right. Move High Mark to my six open spot, the mayor came all the way from Ponyville so the president can wait." Celestia said. Page nodded.

 

"Yes Princess." Page the paige left the throne room and Celestia brought a new collection of forms to her eyes.

 

The end.

 

See what I mean?

[cider float 2,538]

At this point I'd rather not see a Celestia episode. The way the writers are they will make poor use of her. The expectations will not be met.

[Swifty 249]

Why would they make an episode that's non-canon? Hell they kind of just did that, but that had the excuse of time travel screwing up the present.

 

And we've already seen Celestia in the past when Twilight had those flashbacks. Anything in the intervening years after Luna's exile was a time of peace where nothing bad, and therefore interesting, happened.

 

Second of all, even if the writer's were to go back and just pull some negative stuff from nowhere, why would they do that now? No one's asking questions about Celestia or her past. Not even you, you just want to see more of her. That's not enough for a writer to make a story out of.

 

Example:

 

Celestia sat upon her throne her throne, signing off on a motion to expand a Manehatten borough. All of a sudden the castle doors burst open and one of her attendees rushed in. 

 

"Princess! I have urgent news." The mare said as she approached the throne and bowed.

 

"Yes? Go on, Page Turner." Celestia said.

 

"It's . . . it's . . . . a scheduling conflict! The mayor of Ponyville and the president of the academy for gifted unicorns are both supposed to see you at three this afternoon." Page appeared to go dizzy. Celestia chuckled.

 

"Calm down dear, it's quite all right. Move High Mark to my six open spot, the mayor came all the way from Ponyville so the president can wait." Celestia said. Page nodded.

 

"Yes Princess." Page the paige left the throne room and Celestia brought a new collection of forms to her eyes.

 

The end.

 

See what I mean?

 

 

Come on, you don't even want to try.

 

 

At this point I'd rather not see a Celestia episode. The way the writers are they will make poor use of her. The expectations will not be met.

Slice of Life should be the easiest thing to do. If they're truly overchallenged with that, i can only shake my head.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Come on, you don't even want to try.

 

Oh I can make a more interesting plot, but then it would be a fanfic, not something based on what the canon gives.

 

For instance:

 

Celestia sat upon her throne her throne, signing off on a motion to expand a Manehatten borough. All of a sudden the castle doors burst open and one of her attendees rushed in. 

 

"Princess! I have urgent news." The mare said as she approached the throne and bowed.

 

"Yes? Go on, Page Turner." Celestia said.

 

"The secessionists! They've taken Vanhoover." Page said. Celestia sighed.

 

"They said they would not seize anymore territory."

 

"They made a statement. They think your rule is illegitimate and will take as much land as they can by force." Page said. Celestia shook her head and let loose one last sigh of defeat. When her eyes opened again, her face took on an iron resolve.

 

"Get me Captain Citadel and mobilize the Shadowbolts. We'll meet their declaration of war." She arose from the throne and walked past Page.

 

"At once, Princess."

 

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 

 

See? I can try. But! That didn't happen in the canon.

 

 

Slice of Life should be the easiest thing to do. If they're truly overchallenged with that, i can only shake my head.

 

The thing is, Slice of Life only works if the character leads an interesting daily life or if they have a personal problem to overcome. Celestia's character development wouldn't come about till Luna's return and I really don't think a kids show would need an episode with the head of state dealing with dignitaries or what not. Something that Celestia herself has said she finds tedious. 

[Sugarcup 198]

Ever since post s2 she pretty much been a background character hell every princess has an ep. accept her, I know twilight doesnt need her as much and moving on but can't they find something to do with her make her more relevant. Give her a ep. or two, more lines, heck background character have probable gotten more lines then she has gotten post s2.

lol dont worry, she and luna will get an episode next season that explain their past and all

[Number62 1,258]

At this point I'd rather not see a Celestia episode. The way the writers are they will make poor use of her. The expectations will not be met.

Agreed. With the number of blunders made with her, I don't know how the creative team can wash out their stains.

 

With that big movie coming out, she'll no doubt be groveling in defeat again while the Mane 6 do her job for her.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Number107

[Swifty 249]

Oh I can make a more interesting plot, but then it would be a fanfic, not something based on what the canon gives.

 

For instance:

 

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Please stop. You can't, no offence. ;-D

 

You are clinging on canon way too much. By that thinking, Luna would have never been allowed to enter dreams, because that has never been canon before, only fanon at best. It was also never written that she can create a creature like the tantibus.

 

The writers developed and added more to Luna's character to make episodes with her involved.

 

It wasn't canon either, that Cadance has to become pregnant because of his husband, but she did. Because the writers wanted to do more with Cadance.

 

I don't want to accept, that this can't be possible for Celestia, if it's possible with any princess else. It doesn't have to be about the court and politics, the writers just have to come with something new for her. And if they really would want to, then nothing would stand against it.

Edited December 8, 2015 by Swifty

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Please stop. You can't, no offence. ;-D

 

You are clinging on canon way too much. By that thinking, Luna would have never been allowed to enter dreams, because that has never been canon before, only fanon at best. It was also never written that she can create a creature like the tantibus.

 

The writers developed and added more to Luna's character to make episodes with her involved.

 

It wasn't canon either, that Cadance has to become pregnant because of his husband, but she did. Because the writers wanted to do more with Cadance.

 

I don't want to accept, that this can't be possible for Celestia, if it's possible with any princess else. It doesn't have to be about the court and politics, the writers just have to come with something new for her. And if they really would want to, then nothing would stand against it.

Offense is nevertheless taken, as a writing major, you are essentially saying "I can't" in my future profession.

 

This discussion is ABOUT the canon. Not that they can't make something new but they can't contradict what's been established. It's been established that the century between Luna's exile and the pilot was one of peace. If they wanted to make a Celestia story, it would have to flashback before then.

 

And they already told that story in one of the novels.

 

Again you are missing the actual point, I'm trying to make. Nothing's stopping the writers, but nothing is incentivizing them either. If they were going to make a Celestia episode, it would have been during season 2 or 3 when she was prominent and still had a place in the regular lives of the protagonist.

 

Agreed. With the number of blunders made with her, I don't know how the creative team can wash out their stains.

 

With that big movie coming out, she'll no doubt be groveling in defeat again while the Mane 6 do her job for her.

Okay that's going to far. She's never "groveled." Celestia has always been willing to fight the villain in whatever way she can. Edited December 8, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Goat-kun 2,527]

Dank thread. Got room for another shitlord? Wriggle-wriggle-wriggle.

 

Let’s start with some characters that are apparently similar to Celie.

 

Obi-Wan Kenobi:

Ben Kenobi was taken in as a Padawan to Qui-Gon Jinn, and later fought in the Clone Wars. He was also a powerful Jedi master who mentored Anakin Skywalker, and slain (crippled?) many foes like Darth Maul and General Grievous. After the Order 66, he went into hiding with Master Yoda, and later initialized Luke Skywalker in ways of the Jedi. Despite being pictured as a calm and rational individual averse to risky actions, Star Wars: The Clone Wars do follow and add to the story of this prominent background figure, making him not only a leader and a master, but also a friend, a lover, and a man wading through one of the galaxy’s most trying times.

 

Gandalf:

Olórin to some, Mithrandir to others, and Gandalf to the simple folk of Middle-earth, this Maia of Valinor hides a power far greater than one would expect from old flesh and bones of his aging exterior. Wise but scared, Gandalf had been chosen as one of five Istari sent to Middle-earth by the Valar to keep the evils of Sauron at bay. By his wits, the blazing ring Narya, and Gondolin sword Glamdring, Gandalf has managed to serve his purpose and coordinate the free people in their fight against Mordor which ultimately resulted in the destruction of the One Ring and his return to Valinor. He could be regarded as the most powerful member of the Fellowship equally able of fighting terrible spirits from the bygone ages as well as plotting their downfall from the shadows. As such, his presence can sometimes overshadow other characters, if only for a moment, after which he gracefully falls back to his background role of a wise yet funny old man with a pointy hat and a tendency to disappear.

 

Sauron:

Most Maiar follow their respective Valar, but some had chosen to walk besides Morgoth. Of these fallen spirits, Sauron stands as the most prominent, the most cunning, and the most powerful. After the fall of his master, Sauron revealed himself as the lord of Mordor and began his rise to dominance with force, but also with deceit. He fooled the elven smiths into forging the magical rings of power, while he himself secretly created the One Ring that would hold dominion over all others. Elves have seen through his plot, but dwarves and men have proven to be less fortunate. Though only a fleshless shadow in the Third Age, Sauron stands as one of the most influential Maia of all. As Lord of Werewolves he played a part in the story of Lúthien and Beren, as Lord of Gifts he forged the rings, as a captive he orchestrated the fall of Númenor, and as the Lord of the Rings he wreaked havoc across the Middle-earth. Morgoth would be proud.

 

And now for Celestia:

Hi, I'm Celestia and I'm a magical pony princess of Equestria. Star Swirl was my mentor and I learned how to move the sun under his tutelage. It was very fun. I also have a sister Luna that I banished to the moon because she needed to cool off after a particularly nasty fit of jealousy. I’m also a mentor to Twilight Sparkle that will one day become as insignificant as me. They say I like cakes and bananas. Do you like bananas? THE END

 

I could write you an essay about a prominent “background” character from LOTR or Star Wars universe, but I can’t do that for Celestia. Star Swirl, Luna, and Twilight define this character way too much, and what’s left of her is just fluff that won’t satisfy your average nerd. Sure you can keep some things secret if your IP is in diapers and you want to reveal it gradually and as awesomely as you can, but it’s been five seasons already.

 

TL; DR: Give to Celestia what is Celestia’s and to fans what they want. You’re doing this for toys anyway. It’s not like your great and intriguing story will suffer terribly from one or two Celestia episodes.

Edited December 8, 2015 by Goat-kun

[Cleverclover 1,526]

Sadly, yes, Celestia is completely worthless to the show. She honestly has no reason to even make appearances anymore, and the chances of her ever getting her own focus episode are pretty non-existent. 

 

 

 

It doesn't have to be about the court and politics, the writers just have to come with something new for her. And if they really would want to, then nothing would stand against it.

 

They aren't going to come up with something new for her. She's done. Honestly, there's really nothing stopping them from simply writing her out of the show altogether. It's not as though anything would be lost at this point. 

 

Hell, Twilight is so utterly detached from her that she doesn't apparently even think about consulting Celestia in times of crisis. For a mentor character like Celestia, that's just a pretty clear indication of her worthlessness.   

[Number62 1,258]

Hell, Twilight is so utterly detached from her that she doesn't apparently even think about consulting Celestia in times of crisis. For a mentor character like Celestia, that's just a pretty clear indication of her worthlessness.   

 

Speaking of mentors, I don't know if I'm missing something, but I wonder what Celestia was even teaching Twilight during the first 3 seasons. Friendship? None of the reports or Twilight's experiences had any input from the mentor. The closest example I can think of is "The Crystal Empire", but that was a pretty poor showing on both sides. Also, what was their relationship like exactly? Aside from seeming close and Twilight wanting to please Celestia, I can't think of much else. And, yeah, they're pretty distant starting from season 4 for some reason.

 

It seems the alicorn was doomed from the beginning.

[Swifty 249]

Offense is nevertheless taken, as a writing major, you are essentially saying "I can't" in my future profession.

 

It was just funny and not seriously meant. And for the only reason for you keeping it in the throne room as if nothing else would be left for her. So dont take it seriously.

 

For the rest, i cant agree why canon would thwart any possible Celestia episode and only for her (sounds like a lazy excuse for unwilling writers for me), especially the novels shouldnt dictate anything to the tv show.

 

 

They aren't going to come up with something new for her. She's done. Honestly, there's really nothing stopping them from simply writing her out of the show altogether. It's not as though anything would be lost at this point.

 

Hell, Twilight is so utterly detached from her that she doesn't apparently even think about consulting Celestia in times of crisis. For a mentor character like Celestia, that's just a pretty clear indication of her worthlessness.

 

If absolutely nothing happens in Season six, i will agree with you. Nightmare Moon would have better chances for more development by then -.- Edited December 8, 2015 by Swifty

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Sadly, yes, Celestia is completely worthless to the show. She honestly has no reason to even make appearances anymore, and the chances of her ever getting her own focus episode are pretty non-existent.

 

Yes, but she's NOT the main character! She never has been. She's the mentor and she's served her narrative purpose. Now Celestia is as part of the setting as the sun itself. Something always present but not focused on. There's no point in showing her any further apart from simply the sake of seeing her, and that would be just stupid.

Speaking of mentors, I don't know if I'm missing something, but I wonder what Celestia was even teaching Twilight during the first 3 seasons. Friendship? None of the reports or Twilight's experiences had any input from the mentor. The closest example I can think of is "The Crystal Empire", but that was a pretty poor showing on both sides. Also, what was their relationship like exactly? Aside from seeming close and Twilight wanting to please Celestia, I can't think of much else. And, yeah, they're pretty distant starting from season 4 for some reason.

 

It seems the alicorn was doomed from the beginning.

 

She did teach Twilight. Apart from, you know basically raising her, she sent Twilight to Ponyville to learn by doing. Her friendship reports were Twilight essentially sending her homework to her. She was the equivalent of a graduate student conducting her own study. When Twilight abused her magic, Celestia came in to correct her. She sent her to the Crystal Empire and gave her Starswirl's book.

 

She wasn't doomed, she was conciously downplayed because it was Twilight's journey.

 

 

Honestly, there's really nothing stopping them from simply writing her out of the show altogether. It's not as though anything would be lost at this point.    Hell, Twilight is so utterly detached from her that she doesn't apparently even think about consulting Celestia in times of crisis. For a mentor character like Celestia, that's just a pretty clear indication of her worthlessness.   

 

Uhhh you know aside from the whole raising the sun and running the country business. Why does no one here appreciate that just because we don't see her it doesn't mean she's pointless to the world!

[Holiday Agnaktor 1,436]

I'm ohke with Celestia not doing much.

After all, the episodes are mainly about the Mane 6, and the CMC. Celestia is the reigning monarch, and the main characters won't really cme across Celestia in daily life. They live in completely different cities as well, which makes things even more difficult.

There just isn't a good reason for them to meet, except at events, like the gala, where Celestia does appear.

I mean, how many episodes have we had that didn't have either the Mane 6 or the CMC in important roles? Not much. I can only think if one, but there are probably one or two more out there.

I'm just saying that Celestia hasn't really got any reason to appear in an episode, but when she has, she's there.

[toonami97 25]

Why would they make an episode that's non-canon? Hell they kind of just did that, but that had the excuse of time travel screwing up the present.

 

And we've already seen Celestia in the past when Twilight had those flashbacks. Anything in the intervening years after Luna's exile was a time of peace where nothing bad, and therefore interesting, happened.

 

Second of all, even if the writer's were to go back and just pull some negative stuff from nowhere, why would they do that now? No one's asking questions about Celestia or her past. Not even you, you just want to see more of her. That's not enough for a writer to make a story out of.

 

Example:

 

Celestia sat upon her throne her throne, signing off on a motion to expand a Manehatten borough. All of a sudden the castle doors burst open and one of her attendees rushed in. 

 

"Princess! I have urgent news." The mare said as she approached the throne and bowed.

 

"Yes? Go on, Page Turner." Celestia said.

 

"It's . . . it's . . . . a scheduling conflict! The mayor of Ponyville and the president of the academy for gifted unicorns are both supposed to see you at three this afternoon." Page appeared to go dizzy. Celestia chuckled.

 

"Calm down dear, it's quite all right. Move High Mark to my six open spot, the mayor came all the way from Ponyville so the president can wait." Celestia said. Page nodded.

 

"Yes Princess." Page the paige left the throne room and Celestia brought a new collection of forms to her eyes.

 

The end.

 

See what I mean?

Not the ep non canon I meant EQ SS thing is non canon

lol dont worry, she and luna will get an episode next season that explain their past and all

Where an when was that stated?

[Sugarcup 198]

 

Where an when was that stated?

 

I work with people who work with mlp hasbro. so i get to know the juicy bits

[toonami97 25]

I work with people who work with mlp hasbro. so i get to know the juicy bits

proof because anyone can say that ED already had fake s6 episodes.

[Sugarcup 198]

proof because anyone can say that ED already had fake s6 episodes.

well i can not really prove it o: i dont record casual talks

[toonami97 25]

Please stop. You can't, no offence. ;-D

 

You are clinging on canon way too much. By that thinking, Luna would have never been allowed to enter dreams, because that has never been canon before, only fanon at best. It was also never written that she can create a creature like the tantibus.

 

The writers developed and added more to Luna's character to make episodes with her involved.

 

It wasn't canon either, that Cadance has to become pregnant because of his husband, but she did. Because the writers wanted to do more with Cadance.

 

I don't want to accept, that this can't be possible for Celestia, if it's possible with any princess else. It doesn't have to be about the court and politics, the writers just have to come with something new for her. And if they really would want to, then nothing would stand against it.

This is what I was thinking so basically writers or what they is saying they an't come up with something for her some new and interesting for her not saying that could I like her( among princesses she's my least favorite) but surely they can do something with her that makes her fun and interesting again kinda back in s1-2 with her trollestia personality. Something that doesn't involve ruling and politics. And remind us shes not there just go give info and get owned by something every season.

[Kamii 595]

I think she hasn't been focused on because we don't really care much about her. I know she has her fans, but she can't be compared to Twi or Luna. Cadance has only been on focus because she is the pink perfect princess. Celestia has been shown to not be perfect and somewhat unimportant to the audience. We know she is there but she's never part of anything important going on. I really would like an episode about her and Luna growing up, where she would be the focus. I do like her a lot, unfortunately they don't grow her character out of the "ruler of Equestria and ex-mentor of Twilight".

Edited December 9, 2015 by Negaimasu

[toonami97 25]

I think she hasn't been focused on because we don't really care much about her. I know she has her fans, but she can't be compared to Twi or Luna. Cadance has only been on focus because she is the pink perfect princess. Celestia has been shown to not be perfect and somewhat unimportant to the audience. We know she is there but she's never part of anything important going on. I really would like an episode about her and Luna growing up, where she would be the focus. I do like her a lot, unfortunately they don't grow her character out of the "ruler of Equestria and ex-mentor of Twilight".

You could be right while on ED every time there's a new season wishlist a Celestia ep wish often crops up but I dont think shes perfect if she was she could have stop NMM and non canon SS it was sad that they wasted such a potentially interesting character I find for me shes kinda like a ghost now.

I think she hasn't been focused on because we don't really care much about her. I know she has her fans, but she can't be compared to Twi or Luna. Cadance has only been on focus because she is the pink perfect princess. Celestia has been shown to not be perfect and somewhat unimportant to the audience. We know she is there but she's never part of anything important going on. I really would like an episode about her and Luna growing up, where she would be the focus. I do like her a lot, unfortunately they don't grow her character out of the "ruler of Equestria and ex-mentor of Twilight".

In addition thats what happens when they made her a one trick pony when it came to that role when role was done she just fell into background while other princess were fleshed out a bit and unique powers like CH and dream walking or Cadance baby. I often forget her personality due to lack of line and roles.

[Swifty 249]

lol dont worry, she and luna will get an episode next season that explain their past and all

And that is all? Great -.-

 

Forgive me, if i don't erupt with joy, but this is it exactly what i have NOT in mind when we talk about a Celestia focused episode.

Luna is in it. That means we get a sister episode at best or another Luna episode at worst. I expect the latter, because popularity. Mostly it will be about Luna again and most likely it will be about how Celestia failed. Luna actually shows remorse for nothing, because it's her sister to blame. It's always the same.

 

I'm not excited on a Fake Celestia Episode, sorry.