(Possible S6 spoilers) Natural-born Alicorns make me uncomfortable

[The Nth Doctor 663]

I like to think Celie and Lulu were Empress Faust's gifts to Equestria to free it from Discord's reign

They were made Alicorns whereas Cadance and Twilight are merely ascended Alicorns and only have a larger magic pool to draw from

 

But that's headcanon, so...

 

Meh; rather indifferent about Alicorns birthing Alicorns

I do feel sorry for Cadance though

 

Could you imagine how dangerous that horn was?

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

In regards to Celestia and Luna raising/lowering the sun and the moon; the Journal of the Two Sisters states that unicorns were doing it before the sisters took over; one being Starswirl himself. Now, the book also states that over time unicorns would be drained by having to that over a period of time and that alicorns weren't affected as such. Now; does this mean that alicorns are more powerful? Possibly, but considering that alicorns age differently from other ponies I would thing that it also suggests that their magic just works differently. Possibly more powerful, but not by THAT much.

 

It's probably worth mentioning that in the part of 'The journal of the two sisters' that you mentioned, it took not one, but six unicorns to lower the moon and raise the sun.  This suggests to me that Alicorns are in fact, rather more powerful than Unicorns.

 

Bear in mind also, that in 'Twilight's kingdom',  Twilight, carrying the magic of the four Alicorn princesses was able to fight to a stalemate against Tirek, who had at this point absorbed the magic and strength of every Earth pony, Pegasus, and Unicorn in Equestria.

 

It is clear from what we've seen on the program that there are certain exceptional Unicorns, Twilight Sparkle, Starlight Glimmer, Starswirl the Bearded for example.  But it is equally clear that the Alicorns are an order of magnitude more powerful than your average Unicorn, Pegasus or Earth pony.

[chili 120]

I actually don't mind either way. Maybe some earn it while some are born as it? That could be possible. I mean, Celestia made Twilight an alicorn but she herself was probably born as one... Either that or the alicorn that made Celestial and Luna alicorns should still exist as well?? Meh, I dunno.

I just think it's funny with Flurry's freakishly big wings.

[Swifty 249]

Why? What reasoning do you have why MLP "needs" to have it?

To not let it end into a random mess where nothing makes sense anymore. Without any lore we might see a big rewrite of the reason of cutie marks for example.

Not the end of the world, but disappointing.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

No one questions why Spongebob can have fire underwater and they even make jokes about it, but when it comes to MLP we all need an explanation of how a baby born could have both wings AND a horn like it's some illogical thing that we have real science behind debunking it.

 

The need for explanation depends on the expectations of the individual viewer.  Spongebob is episodic in nature, and thus requires no real depth of lore as the events in one episode rarely affect subsequent episodes.  MLP on the other hand is serialised in nature, and so viewers are more likely to want to see an established lore with continuity throughout the run.

 

In a serialised production it can be rather disappointing if the writers contradict established canon as it detracts from the immersive, escapist experience that they are watching it for.

 

In this particular case Flurry Heart being born as an Alicorn doesn't contradict anything, because we don't know how Celestia and Luna came to be Alicorns, they may have been born that way, or they may not.  All that we know for sure is that Twilight earned her wings through a worthy act, and from the extended, semi-canon universe, we know that Cadance earned her horn through a similarly worthy act.  I personally like the idea of 'ascension' as a reward for the worthy, and it seems a little disappointing to me that what I once considered to be the ultimate reward is now given to someone who has done nothing to earn it.

 

At the end of the day I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, it happened, I'll get used to it.  It is only a childrens cartoon after all, it's not really worth getting bent out of shape over it.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Guest]

I think people are taking this show way too seriously if something so minor that "ruins" canon creates a big deal for anyone. If this literally makes you stop laughing at any of the jokes and makes any episodes less enjoyable then I think you've put too much stock into this cartoon, no offense. There comes a point where yeah it's fun to analyze things and it's fun to speculate, but we really are wasting our time after a certain point.

[EverEverOn 346]

Don't we already see people being born into royalty? This isn't a new concept at all.

 

Sure, when Disney does it, it's fine. We had Rapunzel born as a princess. Therefore, she was already at a high rank when she was born. Yet everyone is okay with it.

Yet when a pony is born as a princess, everyone becomes outraged. Yes, the new foal is an alicorn? What were you expecting?

 

In Greek mythology, when two gods have a child, that child is most likely a god, too. Look, another baby born into a higher rank. Even in myths this happens.

So really, the new baby being an alicorn is perfectly fine. Other movies have done this, even myths. So why is it now such a huge problem?

[simba86 1,541]

I think you are making to big of a deal out of a baby cartoon alicorn. seriously, it's a cartoon

[PacificGreen 1,163]

Bear in mind also, that in 'Twilight's kingdom',  Twilight, carrying the magic of the four Alicorn princesses was able to fight to a stalemate against Tirek, who had at this point absorbed the magic and strength of every Earth pony, Pegasus, and Unicorn in Equestria.

Kind of a technicality, but I believe the Mane Six had advised the Ponyville ponies to stay inside, implying that Tirek actually hadn't drained their magic since those ponies were trying to be kept from his power.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

Kind of a technicality, but I believe the Mane Six had advised the Ponyville ponies to stay inside, implying that Tirek actually hadn't drained their magic since those ponies were trying to be kept from his power.

 

I doubt staying indoors would have protected them from Tirek.  But even if a few escaped, he was still in possession of the powers of a great many ponies, and I neglected to mention originally that he had also absorbed Discord's magic at this point as well.

[PacificGreen 1,163]

The need for explanation depends on the expectations of the individual viewer.  Spongebob is episodic in nature, and thus requires no real depth of lore as the events in one episode rarely affect subsequent episodes.  MLP on the other hand is serialised in nature, and so viewers are more likely to want to see an established lore with continuity throughout the run.

 

In a serialised production it can be rather disappointing if the writers contradict established canon as it detracts from the immersive, escapist experience that they are watching it for.

 

In this particular case Flurry Heart being born as an Alicorn doesn't contradict anything, because we don't know how Celestia and Luna came to be Alicorns, they may have been born that way, or they may not.  All that we know for sure is that Twilight earned her wings through a worthy act, and from the extended, semi-canon universe, we know that Cadance earned her horn through a similarly worthy act.  I personally like the idea of 'ascension' as a reward for the worthy, and it seems a little disappointing to me that what I once considered to be the ultimate reward is now given to someone who has done nothing to earn it.

 

At the end of the day I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, it happened, I'll get used to it.  It is only a childrens cartoon after all, it's not really worth getting bent out of shape over it.

 

Also, this, pretty much.

 

I think people can say "It's just a cartoon, why are you analyzing it so much" all they want, but when you have something that shakes up the status quo on a topic as central to the show as alicornhood, people are going to want logical answers. I think you're right in that it technically doesn't contradict canon, since it was never actually stated that alicornhood must always be earned, but like I said earlier, it probably shakes a ton of viewers' preconceived notions regarding the most important ponies in the show.

 

Just saying.

[Manman20x6 359]

I think you are making to big of a deal out of a baby cartoon alicorn. seriously, it's a cartoon

 

Just because it's a cartoon, doesn't mean I can't have a discussion about the potential racist implications of a certain character.

[Goat-kun 2,530]

Don’t mind me. I’m just a humble lore fanatic posting by

 

The Journal of the Two Sisters, the Official Chronicles of Princesses Celestia and Luna by Amy Keating Rogers, pages 106-108, Celestia:

As Luna and I had seen, six Unicorns are required for the task of raising and lowering the sun and moon every day and night. Star Swirl was always one of the six for both the rising and the setting. But it takes a powerful amount of magic, and what nopony told us was that the Unicorns who volunteer for the job can only withstand the task for a short period of time before their magic is completely depleted … forever. Star Swirl himself had been the only Unicorn with strong enough magic to withstand this process day in and day out, night after night. But ten other Unicorns constantly needed to offer up their magic as a sacrifice for all of Equestria. This morning they ran out of full-grown Unicorns with magical abilities and were unable to perform their task. When Star Swirl tried to lower the moon by himself, he was unable to, his magic was depleted, and his beard turned gray … As we knew, Alicorns possessed a level of magic far beyond anything a Unicorn could ever imagine. Raising and lowering the sun and moon wouldn’t cause us any harm.

 

So … any slice-o-lifers here wanna lock horns with me? I’m ready when you are, so start posting your most convincing bullshit about how unicorns are canonically equal to alicorns. Just one more thing before you start: Even Jedi and Sith can be killed or wounded by conventional means (Just look at Emo Ren and Order 66) but you don’t hear sensible Star Wars fans going on how clones and Wookiees are better than force users. But MLP goes one step further with the decree that an episode’s little plot is more important than lore and overall immersion because they never concentrated their efforts on those parts of the MLP fandom that like such things. And thus you have all these efforts of “exiling/debuffing” them alicorns off the battlefield cause #WritingIsHard (and I’m told that animating awesome battles is even harder). Hmm, perhaps you’re right. Perhaps I am way too invested in this. I mean, why should I care about stuff in a show I am watching for a long time? It’s only your average slice of life comedy meant for the masses that just want to smile and clap for 22 minutes. It’s not like they want to expand their IP. It’s not like H-Bro will suddenly start producing more action oriented content. Whelp, consider my investment misplaced.

 

Flurryfluff: an alicorn and a unicorn practiced magic together. I’m not exactly thrilled by the result, but she is kinda cute in a weird sort of way, so I guess I’m fine with it … But only if they'll address it with muh alicorn lore! If not, then everything will be terrible forever!

 

P.S: Powerful fantasy creatures inciting racism is one of the stupidest things I read this week and I went through a myriad of comments on r/DotA2 cause of Yamesgate.

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

but you don’t hear sensible Star Wars fans going on how clones and Wookiees are better than force users.

 

I don't know, I've seen more than a few Mandalorian fanboys constantly talking about how Mandalorians (and by extension clones) are the master race of everyone in the starwars universe

[Goat-kun 2,530]

I don't know, I've seen more than a few Mandalorian fanboys constantly talking about how Mandalorians (and by extension clones) are the master race of everyone in the starwars universe

And that is why I added the word sensible to the Star Wars fans Not to take anything away from the Mandalorians. They're cool and edgy and all that. Also good cosplay material. Still, a skillful and experienced force user could waste any Mandalorian.

[Guest]

Also, this, pretty much.

 

I think people can say "It's just a cartoon, why are you analyzing it so much" all they want, but when you have something that shakes up the status quo on a topic as central to the show as alicornhood, people are going to want logical answers. I think you're right in that it technically doesn't contradict canon, since it was never actually stated that alicornhood must always be earned, but like I said earlier, it probably shakes a ton of viewers' preconceived notions regarding the most important ponies in the show.

 

Just saying.

 

 

When you say "people" you mean "bronies", right? Because I literally see no one else upset about this topic.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Guest

[SilverStarApple 849]

This analogy explains perfectly why I don't like Flurry Heart. She's born with the power that everypony else has to earn through huge effort.

The only way I could think of to make this work... is if they pulled a Legendary Super Saiyan Broly, gave her incredible magical power on top of her stupidly huge wings, made her super over-the-top, and subtly made her a metaphor for mental instability and embracing who you are. 

[PinkieatHeart 208]

It seems that even with natural born alicorns, their population's pretty small, so I don't think they're much of a master "race." There are so few of them.

 

And it seems that alicorns don't usually have a sense of entitlement because of what they are, so I'm okay with them. I'm totally fine with Flurry Heart. I'm interested to see how she affects everyone. :3

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Everyone assuming she's Alicorn because of her looks.

Watch, she'll just be a Bicorn. Calling it.

 

Everyone assuming she's born with all this power of an alicorn, because horn and wings.

Watch, she'll have to study magic just like Twilight did, and actually be stupidly weak because magic spells are too hard, and she ragequits. Calling it.

[Mesme Rize 15,687]

Just because it's a cartoon, doesn't mean I can't have a discussion about the potential racist implications of a certain character.

 

You turn a baby alicorn into a discussion of races, which you take far more serious then it actually is.

 

Political things like these shouldn't be discussed in a My Little Pony cartoon and rather should be a topic that parents should discuss with their kids.

[PacificGreen 1,163]

When you say "people" you mean "bronies", right? Because I literally see no one else upset about this topic.

Um, yeah, I thought that was kinda a given, but yeah, I did mean "bronies" or basically "anyone who cares about this topic or is replying to this particular thread". Sorry if I was not clear.

[Guest]

Um, yeah, I thought that was kinda a given, but yeah, I did mean "bronies" or basically "anyone who cares about this topic or is replying to this particular thread". Sorry if I was not clear.

 

I am not a brony.

 

I also do not care about topic as I feel being worried over this is a bit silly and I am replying to this topic because I feel this is another instance of people overreacting to something that really won't end up being a big deal in the long run. Remember how much people were furious about Alicorn Twilight? How it would "destroy" the show and that was 3 years ago and the show is still fine.

 

Don't you think you're overreacting?

[PacificGreen 1,163]

I am not a brony.

 

I also do not care about topic as I feel being worried over this is a bit silly and I am replying to this topic because I feel this is another instance of people overreacting to something that really won't end up being a big deal in the long run. Remember how much people were furious about Alicorn Twilight? How it would "destroy" the show and that was 3 years ago and the show is still fine.

 

Don't you think you're overreacting?

 

I'm not overreacting, I'm just saying "people are going to want logical answers". 

 

Even I'm not very involved in this drama, nor do I wish to. I'm just sort of stating what I think about the situation. I'm sorry, but I feel like you're putting words in my mouth.

Edited February 29, 2016 by PGNatsu

[Guest]

I'm not overreacting, I'm just saying "people are going to want logical answers". 

 

Even I'm not very involved in this drama, nor do I wish to. I'm just sort of stating what I think about the situation. I'm sorry, but I feel like you're putting words in my mouth.

Why do you care then if you have no stake in it?

[PacificGreen 1,163]

Why do you care then if you have no stake in it?

 

It's not that I don't care. We're just having a discussion about baby alicorns. I put in my input. I just meant I don't want this to get into some big internet fandom fight (which you and I seem to agree on).

 

In all honesty, I feel like this is a discussion worth having (baby alicorns, I mean). And I believe it can be discussed without creating too much tension.

 

Having a discussion about alicorns =/= drama. :/

Edited February 29, 2016 by PGNatsu