web LeafyIsHere makes fun of 'actually' autistic man

[ARagY 1,152]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgiJJpPTqg0

 

Give thoughts?

 

 

I think his stories are good, but his videos shooting shots at other YTers are going a little far

 

 

[FlitterFlutter 1,583]

I like Leafy, his stuff is just dumb satire which I enjoy. 

I do agree that the shots at the other YouTubers can take it far considering his fanbase can be a bit of a bitch. But you can't blame Leafy for his fanbase.

[-Octavia- 1,176]

What crass individual would take shots at someone legitimately disabled, regardless of where upon the spectrum they lie? And furthermore get others to get attack such people? Oh Tommy, my heart goes out to you, as well as to all others under the lens of cyberbullying.

 

Hm. I wonder, are there any measures that can be taken against such actions?

 

@@FlitterFlutter, 

If it is that particular fanbase to which Leafy continues to pander, yes, there is indeed an appropriate amount of blame one can place on him.

Edited March 21, 2016 by -Octavia-

[Banul 3,831]

I've heard of Leafy before after he went after an emo youtuber.

 

Honestly, the autism doesn't even factor for me. What Leafy does isn't "satire", it's bullying. Claiming satire isn't a "get out of jail free" card. He purposely goes after people who wouldn't be able to fight back and then pretends to be surprised when is pack of troll fans start harassing his targets. 

 

Nobody, especially people like Tommy who are just trying to entertain people, deserves to be treated the way that Leafy treats people. It's disgusting. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Banul

[MCRideVEVO 16]

I used to like Leafy's videos (it actually took me way longer to realize he was a jerk than most people, I'm embarrassed to admit), but it got to the point where he stopped making fun of cringeworthy/bad videos and just started targeting kids and vulnerable people. Not to mention his "reptilian army" are obnoxious. Making fun of a video is one thing, but Leafy and people like him honestly come across as bullying the people who make them instead.

Edited March 21, 2016 by MCRideVEVO

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,464]

A YouTube that is really popular and has a huge fanbase makes very insensitive comments and acts like a douche? I honestly am not surprised anymore. There are a lot of really arrogant YouTubers out there. Their popularity goes to their head. 

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

I actually really enjoy leafy's work, people need to get a thicker skin on the internet and stop with the SJW BS. I highly doubt that he would go out in real life and do this sort of thing. Also this is not leafy himself that has done this, just the kids in his fandom, the people who post all the ''HISSSSSS'' garbage. Also what defines a ''Vulnerable person''? that varies in everyone opinions. This dude mentions Joeysworldtour as a vulnerable person, why, because he's fat? 

 

Yeah it's sad that this guy is upset and going through a hard time, yes leafy indirectly caused it. However he has shown with the situation with Mrblackdarkness666 that he genuinely doesn't want to cause people grief and he has made up with that bloke. 

 

You know, all this is just drama llama and the SJW community saying : Guy is mean on the internet, people do wrong things? Ring the alarm bells someone is offended or upset! 

[FlitterFlutter 1,583]

If it is that particular fanbase to which Leafy continues to pander, yes, there is indeed an appropriate amount of blame one can place on him.

No, leafy is making SATIRE. he is not making fun of anyone. No you can not blame him for his fan base that is like blaming the creators of MLP for clop, they pander to that audience but are they responsible for clop? is it their fault?

[MCRideVEVO 16]

I actually really enjoy leafy's work, people need to get a thicker skin on the internet and stop with the SJW BS. I highly doubt that he would go out in real life and do this sort of thing. Also this is not leafy himself that has done this, just the kids in his fandom, the people who post all the ''HISSSSSS'' garbage. Also what defines a ''Vulnerable person''? that varies in everyone opinions. This dude mentions Joeysworldtour as a vulnerable person, why, because he's fat? 

 

Yeah it's sad that this guy is upset and going through a hard time, yes leafy indirectly caused it. However he has shown with the situation with Mrblackdarkness666 that he genuinely doesn't want to cause people grief and he has made up with that bloke. 

 

You know, all this is just drama llama and the SJW community saying : Guy is mean on the internet, people do wrong things? Ring the alarm bells someone is offended or upset! 

For me it's more out of personal taste that I don't like him. His "reptilian army" are the ones really doing the damage, and I love other reaction video people like H3H3. But Leafy's videos come off as "clickbaity" to me lately, and he goes after the same easy targets over and over again (usually preteens making dumb videos, with some awkward fedora-wearing vloggers every now and again). I admit I was probably angry at first about this partially because of the group mentality, though.

Edited March 21, 2016 by MCRideVEVO

[Castle Bleck 19,356]

I think Leafy needs to get a lifey.

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

For me it's more out of personal taste that I don't like him. His "reptilian army" are the ones really doing the damage, and I love other reaction video people like H3H3. But Leafy's videos come off as "clickbaity" to me lately, and he goes after the same easy targets over and over again (usually preteens making dumb videos, with some awkward fedora-wearing vloggers every now and again). I admit I was probably angry at first about this partially because of the group mentality, though.

 

I agree that it is getting pretty boring going after kids all the time, they are all the same thing, MattyB and all that lot who themselves will probably look back on it and be like, what the hell was I thinking? x) But people calling leafy a cyber bully who picks on vulnerable people, come on, this is the real world we live in, much worse stuff happens on the internet, and I may be controversial saying this but where are the friends / family of this Autistic guy right now? People know the internet can be a horrible place full of trolls, if one of your family members was severely autistic would you (speaking about people in general) want to risk having him opened up to that kind of abuse? Yes, people should absolutely free to post what they want, there should be no fear of bullies, but at the same time people need to get a reality check and realize, especially on the internet people are toxic. 

[honk friend 1,978]

this whole situation is pissing me off

i've been subbed to leafy since he was small and seeing his content turn to what it has is saddening, his new content feels like a chore to watch honestly, like his attitude is more cringe-worthy than what he talks about nowadays

seeing h3h3 stand up and call him out on this is fantastic, but everyone is turning this in to another finebros-tier scandal when literally all h3 said was that leafy should cut out the clickbait and bullying

not to mention leafy's fanbase is full of fucking hypocrites, since a good portion of the people disliking and unsubscribing now are the same assholes who were spamming that hiss bullshit just yesterday and allowing his channel to get big off this kind of shit

[ponylaces 1,870]

I love how these douchebags go huge and make a living out of spending an hour a day on a video.

[MCRideVEVO 16]

I love how these douchebags go huge and make a living out of spending an hour a day on a video.

People are paying for it, I guess (or not using Adblock, in this case)

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

@@PonyLaces,

 

Why is he a douchebag? and I think most people in the world would love to make alot of money working for an hour a day, besides each video can take up to 5 hours prep, he's making money doing what he enjoys, and apart from the odd times he crosses the line he has millions of fans he makes laugh every day.  

 

Also YT revenue really is not as much as people think it is. 

[honk friend 1,978]

I actually really enjoy leafy's work, people need to get a thicker skin on the internet and stop with the SJW BS. I highly doubt that he would go out in real life and do this sort of thing. Also this is not leafy himself that has done this, just the kids in his fandom, the people who post all the ''HISSSSSS'' garbage. Also what defines a ''Vulnerable person''? that varies in everyone opinions. This dude mentions Joeysworldtour as a vulnerable person, why, because he's fat? 

 

Yeah it's sad that this guy is upset and going through a hard time, yes leafy indirectly caused it. However he has shown with the situation with Mrblackdarkness666 that he genuinely doesn't want to cause people grief and he has made up with that bloke. 

 

You know, all this is just drama llama and the SJW community saying : Guy is mean on the internet, people do wrong things? Ring the alarm bells someone is offended or upset! 

 

nobody needs to get a thicker skin

everybody has a right to be offended

just because something doesn't offend you doesn't mean it can't offend someone else

there is no argumentative basis for "SJWs did it!" whatsoever, people like you are the reason the term SJW has completely lost its meaning

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

nobody needs to get a thicker skin

everybody has a right to be offended

just because something doesn't offend you doesn't mean it can't offend someone else

there is no argumentative basis for "SJWs did it!" whatsoever, people like you are the reason the term SJW has completely lost its meaning

 

In a quote I heard sometime ago, I can't remember who it was, one of the famous Athiest blokes : ''It is your decision to be offended''. This statement is true throughout the entire internet. You can put on the SJW goggles and say, everyone has a right to be offended, okay, true, no one can deny someone the right to be offended, however what I am getting at with the thicker skin comment is that it serves no purpose for people to get offended so easily. What does everyone flipping shit over one well known youtuber insulting one Autistic man achieve? Nothing. Is anyone really going to listen to the people who say they are offended because a person is upset that they didn't even know or care about until this happened and will stop caring about a week later? No.

 

I sure am glad though, I single handedly made SJW mean nothing <3 

[ARagY 1,152]

You know, all this is just drama llama and the SJW community saying : Guy is mean on the internet, people do wrong things? Ring the alarm bells someone is offended or upset! 

 

Why don't we step away from the SJW raving for a second and think this:

 

No matter where you are, in Washington D.C. or London or Münich or Paris, in Moscow, in Minsk, or Beijing or Tehran. If you rail on a guy who's autistic, or your fanbase has caused it, people in real life are going to be pretty upset at you.

 

It's the equivalent of a slightly-racist father's children going and beating up a minority. Of course he's partially responsible.

 

I don't think its only SJWs who are upset at this sort of thing. Otherwise most people I know are SJWs. I think we all need to take a break from that movement in general because its cancerous on both sides. I'm not an SJW but I don't involve myself with the criticism either, because over time any sort of offense to you becomes "the propoganda of the filthy feminist social justice warrior pandering white-guilt minorities". 

 

Again, in real life, outside of this little internet bubble, people will be upset. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by ARagY

[Banul 3,831]

@@PonyLaces,

 

Why is he a douchebag? and I think most people in the world would love to make alot of money working for an hour a day, besides each video can take up to 5 hours prep, he's making money doing what he enjoys, and apart from the odd times he crosses the line he has millions of fans he makes laugh every day.  

 

Also YT revenue really is not as much as people think it is. 

 

For most youtubers, "making money doing what they enjoy" does not include bullying children and the emotionally unstable. The dude should at least pick on someone his own size.

 

I agree that it is getting pretty boring going after kids all the time, they are all the same thing, MattyB and all that lot who themselves will probably look back on it and be like, what the hell was I thinking? x) But people calling leafy a cyber bully who picks on vulnerable people, come on, this is the real world we live in, much worse stuff happens on the internet, and I may be controversial saying this but where are the friends / family of this Autistic guy right now? People know the internet can be a horrible place full of trolls, if one of your family members was severely autistic would you (speaking about people in general) want to risk having him opened up to that kind of abuse? Yes, people should absolutely free to post what they want, there should be no fear of bullies, but at the same time people need to get a reality check and realize, especially on the internet people are toxic. 

 

That isn't an excuse, man. I understand that the internet is a harsh place and that content creators should be wary, but this kind of reasoning makes it seem like it's the victim's fault for being the target of ridicule. The more that people say, "You just need a thicker skin!", the more this kind of behavior becomes acceptable, even becoming the norm. 

 

We shouldn't be blaming the victims for having something shitty happen to them by telling them that they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They aren't to blame. People like Leafy, who get their views not from legit criticism but from finding people who can be easily made fun of, should realize that what they are doing legitimately hurts people. 

 

 

In a quote I heard sometime ago, I can't remember who it was, one of the famous Athiest blokes : ''It is your decision to be offended''. This statement is true throughout the entire internet. 

 

No, it isn't. Consider the following:

 

When people watch a movie and something pops up on the screen, they get surprised. They don't sit there and think to themselves, "Huh, I guess this is the appropriate time to act surprised". Your body is reacting to external stimuli. Being offended works along the same principle. People don't decide to get offended, their minds elicit an emotion response based on something that they encountered. 

Edited March 21, 2016 by Banul

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

For most youtubers, "making money doing what they enjoy" does not include bullying children and the emotionally unstable.

 

Making a satire video about cringey kids making terrible music is not bullying. Again, define ''emotionally unstable'' and who diagnosed these people as emotionally unstable? The many internet doctors that grace our presence?

 

 

 

  That isn't an excuse, man. I understand that the internet is a harsh place and that content creators should be wary, but this kind of reasoning makes it seem like it's the victim's fault for being the target of ridicule. The more that people say, "You just need a thicker skin!", the more this kind of behavior becomes acceptable, even becoming the norm.    We shouldn't be blaming the victims for having something shitty happen to them by telling them that they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They aren't to blame. People like Leafy, who get their views not from legit criticism but from finding people who can be easily made fun of, should realize that what they are doing legitimately hurts people. 

 

 

 

I never said it was the victims fault once, I said that people should be realistic that there are toxic people out there. If I decided to dye my hair rainbow colour and walk around dressed as rainbow dash, yeah that would be fun, but I am under no illusion that people will laugh, stare and make fun of me, is it right? No, but it is reality. With you talking about leafy hurting people, I have followed his channel close from the near start of it, and twice, this time included has this sort of negativity happened. People only care about when the bad things happen and don't bother to think of the one thousand videos that didn't hurt anyone. I also come back to the same fact than none of the people who are offended genuinely care about this individual, only use it as a step ladder to state that they are offended and force their views. You guys (the ones complaining) want to actually support the victim? Send him a PM, try to contact him with some support, something that is actually helpful and shows actual care.

 

 

 

No, it isn't. Consider the following:   When people watch a movie and something pops up on the screen, they get surprised. They don't sit there and think to themselves, "Huh, I guess this is the appropriate time to act surprised". Your body is reacting to external stimuli. Being offended works along the same principle. People don't decide to get offended, their minds elicit an emotion response based on something that they encountered. 

 

In some situations that is true, but in many situations people do decide to be offended. I could be playing a game of league of legends, someone tells me to die of some horrible disease, my initial reaction might be, damn that's horrible, I am a bit mad. But then I remember, hey, people are trolls, this community (league of legends) is full of them, I am going to choose to get on with it and not let it ruin my day.  

[ARagY 1,152]

that wouldn't be choosing your emotion any more than you choose your personality

 

But you can chose how to act with that emotion in mind

[-Octavia- 1,176]

No, leafy is making SATIRE.

I fear for satire as an artform if this is the new definition presented by individuals such as Leafy. What foibles he plays upon (with lack of wit, it feels) aren't intended to improve upon any condition through such observations. It's Menippean at best, yet crudely so. 

 

 

 

he is not making fun of anyone

Ironically, that is the definition of satire, so you cannot have it both ways. Though, again, satire highlights the follies of man for the sake of improvement of a system, or at the very least is constructively thought provoking. In which case, I concede: Leafy is indeed making satire; it just happens to be unwittingly of himself as he highlights the failings of society with his own actions. Allow me to walk away from this thread enlightened.

[honk friend 1,978]

In a quote I heard sometime ago, I can't remember who it was, one of the famous Athiest blokes : ''It is your decision to be offended''. This statement is true throughout the entire internet. You can put on the SJW goggles and say, everyone has a right to be offended, okay, true, no one can deny someone the right to be offended, however what I am getting at with the thicker skin comment is that it serves no purpose for people to get offended so easily. What does everyone flipping shit over one well known youtuber insulting one Autistic man achieve? Nothing. Is anyone really going to listen to the people who say they are offended because a person is upset that they didn't even know or care about until this happened and will stop caring about a week later? No.

 

I sure am glad though, I single handedly made SJW mean nothing <3 

 

Those "famous atheist blokes" are the type who literally get paid to go on youtube and argue with stupid people

They're not smart, they're not exceptional, their word doesn't mean any more than mine or yours.

Your emotions don't work by you choosing how you feel, or else there would be no reason for sadness or anger. 

What you DO choose is to show how you feel, and when you're getting actual death threats for literally being yourself, you have every right to complain and show your grief.

As I said before, SJW is just an ad hominem at this point and holds no argumentative basis.

 

And I never said it was you single handedly, I said it was folks like you who parrot SJW around like it means anything aside from someone's social ideals.

Making a satire video about cringey kids making terrible music is not bullying. Again, define ''emotionally unstable'' and who diagnosed these people as emotionally unstable? The many internet doctors that grace our presence?

 

...

 

In some situations that is true, but in many situations people do decide to be offended. I could be playing a game of league of legends, someone tells me to die of some horrible disease, my initial reaction might be, damn that's horrible, I am a bit mad. But then I remember, hey, people are trolls, this community (league of legends) is full of them, I am going to choose to get on with it and not let it ruin my day.  

 

You have no clue what satire means, and calling leafy's content satire is an insult to the genre.

 

And that's not you choosing to be offended, that's you being offended but choosing not to show you are.

[FlitterFlutter 1,583]

 

 

Ironically, that is the definition of satire, so you cannot have it both ways. Though, again, satire highlights the follies of man for the sake of improvement of a system, or at the very least is constructively thought provoking. In which case, I concede: Leafy is indeed making satire; it just happens to be unwittingly of himself as he highlights the failings of society with his own actions. Allow me to walk away from this thread enlightened

No satire is not making fun of someone oxford satire is "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues."  This is exactly what Leafy does, he uses humor to point out how how dumb the video is.

 

You have no clue what satire means, and calling leafy's content satire is an insult to the genre.

[Banul 3,831]

Making a satire video about cringey kids making terrible music is not bullying. 

 

 Laughing at somebody who is doing something "cringey" is one thing. Making a video specifically to scrutinize this person while encouraging a large group of people to also laugh at them is, I would argue, definitely bullying. 

 

 Again, define ''emotionally unstable'' and who diagnosed these people as emotionally unstable? The many internet doctors that grace our presence?

 

This is a good point, as I am not a doctor and should not make diagnosis for people. 

 

 

 

I never said it was the victims fault once, I said that people should be realistic that there are toxic people out there. If I decided to dye my hair rainbow colour and walk around dressed as rainbow dash, yeah that would be fun, but I am under no illusion that people will laugh, stare and make fun of me, is it right? No, but it is reality. With you talking about leafy hurting people, I have followed his channel close from the near start of it, and twice, this time included has this sort of negativity happened. People only care about when the bad things happen and don't bother to think of the one thousand videos that didn't hurt anyone.

 

Sure, not every one of Leafy's targets made a video of them crying. Do you honestly think that means that they were all okay with Leafy's videos of them? While it's true that I cant exactly speak for them, it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to assume that people generally don't like being openly mocked by potentially a million people.

 

Additionally, as much as I am loathe to say, "Think of the children!", think of the fucking children. Looking at Leafy's uploads, a fair amount of them have thumbnails of kids. Kids don't deal with with this kind of thing well. Bullying by a few people can have lasting consequences in their life. Being ridiculed by a large group like Leafy's fans (who have demonstrably been known to harass people) could really fuck them up. I am reminded of the kid who played Anakin in Star Wars, or that viral video of that one guy flailing about with a stick as if it was a lightsaber. You look those people up now, you'll find that their lives have been borderline ruined by the treatment they got.

 

This kind of thing absolutely effects people in a very negative manner, whether you specifically see it in action or not. 

 

 

 I also come back to the same fact than none of the people who are offended genuinely care about this individual, only use it as a step ladder to state that they are offended and force their views. You guys (the ones complaining) want to actually support the victim? Send him a PM, try to contact him with some support, something that is actually helpful and shows actual care.

 

As a matter of fact, I did.

 

 

In some situations that is true, but in many situations people do decide to be offended. I could be playing a game of league of legends, someone tells me to die of some horrible disease, my initial reaction might be, damn that's horrible, I am a bit mad. But then I remember, hey, people are trolls, this community (league of legends) is full of them, I am going to choose to get on with it and not let it ruin my day.  

 

You're experience is not everybody's experience. 

 

If somebody tells me to get cancer and die, I don't care. However, let's look at the from the perspective of a hypothetical person. His name is Bob.

 

Bob's mom is dying of cancer. It really sucks and he decided to play a video game to get his mind of it a little bit. He chooses League. He's not doing so well, so his teammate tells him that he deserves to get cancer and die. Bob is now very upset and it's going to ruin his day. He did not choose either of these things. His specific circumstance, couple with the things said to him, created an emotional response that he does not have control over. He can't just decide to get over it. That's not how emotions work.

 

I know that this is a somewhat extreme example. Understand, I'm not asking people to tailor their speech in such a way that avoids the possibility of anyone ever being offended. However, when we allow, "Get cancer and die" to be an acceptable thing to say, it becomes the norm. It's going to keep happening. The more that people decide that it's not okay and speak up, the less impact it'l have on the internet in the long run.

 

It's why seeing videos like the kind that Leafy makes upsets me. Fuck, I don't want they guy to lose his job or anything. I just want him to be a little more considerate. To exercise more tact. 

 particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues."  

 

The key words. 

 

Most people consider satire as something that makes a point, not making fun of someone for the sake of making fun of someone.

Edited March 21, 2016 by Banul