A theory that could prove that Celestia doesn't raise the Sun after all

[Lightning Dash 327]

Okay, I wasn't going to post in here, but with this theory and all the comments, I think I should step in.

 

The thing is, this show was originally created for the audience of little girls, and not scientists (It wasn't suppost to be realistic and accurate in terms of physics). So obviously, it was done with that old "Cartoon physics/logic" style. Little girls most likely wouldn't go about their way to theorise on how the Sun would work in Equestria, so stuff like this wasn't really an essential into writting up the show.

 

As time has grown and the series has progressed, there have been signs that the show is starting to become more "accurate" in terms of how physics work in Equestria. But now that the audience has changed, I can see that the writters have put a little more thought into the details that go into the show now.

 

But this Celestia raising the Sun is just something that can be established into a cartoon originally created for little girls. That's all there is to it. As we're not the original audience, stuff like physics was most likely never really thought of much when the show was made, but because that concept has already been installed into the show, it's hard for the creators to work around it to make it "realistic" to the new audience (Bronies), that observe and think about these things.

 

In other words, maybe Equestria has similar physics to this world, but the only problem is when it was first created, it was created in the cartoon fashion and physics. Hasbro cannot go back and change the concept of Celestia raising the Sun, because it's already in the show.

 

Bottom line is your theory, while I credit the work and effort you've put in; Truly it's always great to see fans putting effort and their time into putting these things together, it's still inconclusive and always will be because of the way MLP has traveled on development, which is the key work here.

 

They simply just didn't think of these things when it was first created, but there's not much they can do to get around this subject as Celestia and her power in raising the Sun has already been put into the show, so they can't simply go back and give her a different power/purpose.

 

As for the planet and Sun orbit model, well that's probably one of these things that got put in without having much thought on it.

 

The best way to explain this is MLP:FiM wasn't created for realism or being accurate as it wasn't created for those that put a lot of thought into this stuff. Maybe MLP will become a bit more realistic and logical as it goes on, but this is just one thing that cannot be undone, and the whole Sun concept in Equestria doesn't have real logic, but like I've said, that's how it was originally established within the show, and it cannot be changed.

[Ponitten 43]

So that basically means, that not only is Celestia a fraud, who wants to be considered as a god, but also Luna's part of the job needs more effort, which makes her a bit more relevant than her sister?

I guess that completes the deconstruction of Celestia's character. This might become canon soon.

But how could this become canon? I'm not sure the writers even check the forums, plus it would be a pain to introduce into the show, wouldn't it be?

 

I also had a mini overthinked overthinking an overthinked thing :

That solar system model is placed just in front of the camera. As my theory states, it could reveal an hidden truth...can this actually hints to a big reveal later in the season?

Okay I'm overthinking it too much now.

 

And also...I was wondering...do we have any actual solid proof she isn't lying about that sun-raising thing only to get her godlike status? I might have missed something though. I'm not that kind of guy who gets ALL the details.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Ponitten

[Missklang 1,054]

But how could this become canon? I'm not sure the writers even check the forums, plus it would be a pain to introduce into the show, wouldn't it be?

 

I also had a mini overthinked overthinking an overthinked thing :

That solar system model is placed just in front of the camera. As my theory states, it could reveal an hidden truth...can this actually hints to a big reveal later in the season?

Okay I'm overthinking it too much now.

 

And also...I was wondering...do we have any actual solid proof she isn't lying about that sun-raising thing only to get her godlike status? I might have missed something though. I'm not that kind of guy who gets ALL the details.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Who can be sure that she isn't some kind of Nightmare Sun that is just very smart and cunning and took control while hiding true identity and just play weak but not actually that strong as she made us think she is? ( Luna is the best princess!)

Edited March 29, 2016 by Missklang

[Buck Testa 5,505]

Okay, I wasn't going to post in here, but with this theory and all the comments, I think I should step in.

 

The thing is, this show was originally created for the audience of little girls, and not scientists (It wasn't suppost to be realistic and accurate in terms of physics). So obviously, it was done with that old "Cartoon physics/logic" style. Little girls most likely wouldn't go about their way to theorise on how the Sun would work in Equestria, so stuff like this wasn't really an essential into writting up the show.

 

As time has grown and the series has progressed, there have been signs that the show is starting to become more "accurate" in terms of how physics work in Equestria. But now that the audience has changed, I can see that the writters have put a little more thought into the details that go into the show now.

 

But this Celestia raising the Sun is just something that can be established into a cartoon originally created for little girls. That's all there is to it. As we're not the original audience, stuff like physics was most likely never really thought of much when the show was made, but because that concept has already been installed into the show, it's hard for the creators to work around it to make it "realistic" to the new audience (Bronies), that observe and think about these things.

 

In other words, maybe Equestria has similar physics to this world, but the only problem is when it was first created, it was created in the cartoon fashion and physics. Hasbro cannot go back and change the concept of Celestia raising the Sun, because it's already in the show.

 

Bottom line is your theory, while I credit the work and effort you've put in; Truly it's always great to see fans putting effort and their time into putting these things together, it's still inconclusive and always will be because of the way MLP has traveled on development, which is the key work here.

 

They simply just didn't think of these things when it was first created, but there's not much they can do to get around this subject as Celestia and her power in raising the Sun has already been put into the show, so they can't simply go back and give her a different power/purpose.

 

As for the planet and Sun orbit model, well that's probably one of these things that got put in without having much thought on it.

 

The best way to explain this is MLP:FiM wasn't created for realism or being accurate as it wasn't created for those that put a lot of thought into this stuff. Maybe MLP will become a bit more realistic and logical as it goes on, but this is just one thing that cannot be undone, and the whole Sun concept in Equestria doesn't have real logic, but like I've said, that's how it was originally established within the show, and it cannot be changed.

So what you are saying is they have a big flashing sign reading "Logic under renovations, enter with head canon later." 

 

Kidding aside I can see what you mean about them trying to gingerly retcon cartoon logic with more realistic counterparts as time goes on without entirely breaking the show. 

[Missklang 1,054]

One thing is overthinking a cartoon, like for example trying to figure out how fire exists underwater in Spongebob by proposing a theory that it's some sort of magnesium torch or similar stuff. Another thing is to take everything too seriously and just say "this cartoon was designed to be silly so that's the only possible explanation so stop searching reason and overthinking it"... 

Cause being too serious is just not fun at all...

Edited March 29, 2016 by Missklang

[Swifty 249]

But how could this become canon? I'm not sure the writers even check the forums, plus it would be a pain to introduce into the show, wouldn't it be?

They're Luna Fan panderers. Everything what makes L better and C worse might be considered.

At least Haber didn't let C fall trapped in a ice block while L continues fighting the storm.

Im just grumpy, that's all. -.-"

[20% Cooler Than Cake 161]

And also...I was wondering...do we have any actual solid proof she isn't lying about that sun-raising thing only to get her godlike status? I might have missed something though. I'm not that kind of guy who gets ALL the details.

 

I don't think that she's lying; it's most likely just a common misconception.  The ponies of Equestria see their princess use magic to bring forth the day, and they just refer to it as her raising the sun.  A lot of them probably know how it really works, just like we humans do.  And yet we still call it a sunrise or a sunset, despite the fact that the sun really isn't moving.  So if most ponies know that the royal sisters aren't really raising the sun and moon, why do the princesses still do it, instead of just letting the planet rotate naturally?  I'd assume that it would be either a.) because in Equestrian physics, planets that are rotating slow down after a short amount of time, so somepony has to use magic to keep them spinning, b.) because it is an alicorn tradition to turn the planet, or c.) because it's still pretty godlike to make the planet turn.

[Jest (Inactive) 875]

The show is written by people, no where in the show is it written that Celestia does not raise and drop the sun, Equestria isn't real and does not exist out of the show so it has to be taken on the premise on what the creators have decided. Unless there is some shock / reveal episode that shows actually Celestia doesn't have control over the sun then it is never going to be widely accepted. That being said though, I have to respect the amount of effort and thought you put into the original post and it's not often I say that about a post I disagree with, well done  

[\/ 651]

A wonderful theory. Don't listen to everyone and just keep thinking about it. No reason not to spend some time explaining the seemingly ridiculous. Otherwise people like MatPat from Game Theory wouldn't have jobs. I encourage the odd and abstract thinking.

[Daring_Do 552]

Just a reminder for y'all: Remember, regular old unicorns did the whole sun/moon business before Celestia and Luna. Took six ordinary unicorns to do it, though, as Journal of the Two Sisters tells us.

 

Also, OP, your avatar is the best thing ever. Specially if I see it as the one saying all this science-y stuff in your posts.

[Missklang 1,054]

Just a reminder for y'all: Remember, regular old unicorns did the whole sun/moon business before Celestia and Luna. Took six ordinary unicorns to do it, though, as Journal of the Two Sisters tells us.

 

Also, OP, your avatar is the best thing ever. Specially if I see it as the one saying all this science-y stuff in your posts.

Exactly! The journal of the two sisters tells us! But if they are (in this theory) lying about raising the moon and sun then they can easily lye in their journal too.

[Daring_Do 552]

Exactly! The journal of the two sisters tells us! But if they are (in this theory) lying about raising the moon and sun then they can easily lye in their journal too.

The Hearth's Warming Eve ep is the original source, though (the journal just expands on it).

[Missklang 1,054]

The Hearth's Warming Eve ep is the original source, though (the journal just expands on it).

The Hearth's Warming Eve episode was a theatre performance. A play that the mane six presented to the audience. It's just a merry Christmas tale. Like the "Night before Christmas" for us. Such piece of ponies' cultural fiction can not be taken as a reliable source.

[Castle Bleck 19,414]

My guess:

 

"Raising the sun" actually equates to "using the sun as an anchor to move the planet around with" in this case.

Edited March 30, 2016 by A.V.

[Daring_Do 552]

The Hearth's Warming Eve episode was a theatre performance. A play that the mane six presented to the audience. It's just a merry Christmas tale. Like the "Night before Christmas" for us. Such piece of ponies' cultural fiction can not be taken as a reliable source.

Hmm, maybe you have a point.

[Missklang 1,054]

Hmm, maybe you have a point.

The problem is, we can't trust history books either because history is written by the victors as they say. So the only reliable source of information would be either someone who was actually alive and witnessed the pré-diarchy era... Discord... And he is not the type you can trust so that's out of consideration. Another possibility is time travel! An episode where Twilight get a cool flashback from the potion similar to the one Zecora gave her, or literal time travel for a "history lesson" (Twilight,  everyone knows that that is just an excuse to meet Starswirl) maybe an episode with Starlight travelling through time? But it's unlikely... Perhaps somepony from the past go to the future? Somepony who invented the time travel spell? That would be cool to see Starswirl just pop up out of nowhere... (Creators of the MLP! That should totaly be a thing!!!!)