gaming Zelda U Delayed + NX Port

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I did a video on the subject as per usual:

 

https://youtu.be/R1WU3uZbfuQ

 

Honestly... This comes as a slap in the face to Wii U owners. We already know the NX is supposed to be SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than the Wii U, so the NX version will obviously be considerably better. This comes off as them making excuses to delay it on the Wii U and even cancel it altogether for that platform. I mean it makes sense to launch a next gen system with a Zelda game, but this just kind of makes me feel like Wii U owners who bought the system for that game (many people I know) are getting the shaft again.

 

I am starting to get the sneaking suspicion that Nintendo is trying to kill the Wii U off FAST after the NX comes out, just like the Wii when the Wii U came out, and honestly if that happens... I can see a lot of Wii U owners being pissed.

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Because this move worked so well for Rayman Legends

 

Not a fan of this at all. People are absolutely hungry for Zelda U and it sounds like the delay is being made solely for the NX port. Just release the game for the freaking Wii U and still launch it with the NX, at least so the Wii U can have at least one game to look forward to, instead of leaving it out of an already barren Wii U holiday 

 

Releasing the NX in March is fine. Porting Zelda U to the NX is fine. Delaying it for the NX port is straight up moronic. Cancelling the Wii U version would be suicidal for Nintendo to do after all of this but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they did

Edited April 27, 2016 by Megas

[Envy 6,202]

I saw this delay coming from a mile away. It was obvious from how little information we've received in the last, what, two years that we weren't going to be seeing it any time soon. I was shocked at how much people deluded themselves into thinking it would actually come out this year.

 

It being on both consoles comes as no real surprise to me because it has been so heavily rumored and speculated for so long. They did the same thing with Twilight Princess and it didn't really bother me.

 

I'm just glad it didn't become an NX game because I can pretty much guarantee I won't be able to buy one when it comes out.

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What the hell Nintendo? It is one thing to delay a game to fix things or whatever, but seriously they are doing that because of the NX? Nintendo is becoming the Sega with all the stupid things they are doing.

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I'll just wait and get it on the NX, then; that's what I did for "Twilight Princess" when I had the choice of Gamecube vs. Wii.  And when was the scheduled release date for the next Zelda prior to the delay?  Was there one?  I honestly don't know.  A delay isn't the end of the world for the relatively small Wii U user base; a cancellation would be far more of an annoyance.  Though, for years, there's been an outcry from detractors and fans alike for Nintendo to move on from the Wii U.  Which implies that even Wii U owners would rather own the next Nintendo console.  You know, something with superior hardware that performs better overall and attracts 3rd party support; all that jazz.  So Nintendo's kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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On one hand, delayed Zeldas often become good Zeldas. On the other hand, that's insane that Wii U is going to come and go so quickly...so much so that if NX has backwards capability and comes so soon, Wii U will be the first Nintendo home console that I don't own.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:37 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

I'll just wait and get it on the NX, then; that's what I did for "Twilight Princess" when I had the choice of Gamecube vs. Wii.  And when was the scheduled release date for the next Zelda prior to the delay?  Was there one?  I honestly don't know.  A delay isn't the end of the world for the relatively small Wii U user base; a cancellation would be far more of an annoyance.  Though, for years, there's been an outcry from detractors and fans alike for Nintendo to move on from the Wii U.  Which implies that even Wii U owners would rather own the next Nintendo console.  You know, something with superior hardware that performs better overall and attracts 3rd party support; all that jazz.  So Nintendo's kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

But will anyone actually trust the NX to be powerful enough and attract third parties? That's exactly what the Wii U was supposed to be.

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:41 PM, PiratePony said:

On one hand, delayed Zeldas often become good Zeldas. On the other hand, that's insane that Wii U is going to come and go so quickly...so much so that if NX has backwards capability and comes so soon, Wii U will be the first Nintendo home console that I don't own.

 

The Wii U was released in 2012, the NX will be released in 2017. I don't think that's a remarkably short lifespan.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:13 PM, Megas said:

Not a fan of this at all. People are absolutely hungry for Zelda U and it sounds like the delay is being made solely for the NX port.

 

Which kind of comes off as burning Wii U owners.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:13 PM, Megas said:

Cancelling the Wii U version would be suicidal for Nintendo to do after all of this but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if they did

 

Me either sadly. :c

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:19 PM, Envy said:

It being on both consoles comes as no real surprise to me because it has been so heavily rumored and speculated for so long. They did the same thing with Twilight Princess and it didn't really bother me.  

 

This will not be the same problem though. The Wii and the Gamecube were so similar in hardware the games were so close in quality for that reason, but the NX is supposed to be as powerful as the Xbox One, so the NX version is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded, so it's like if you get it on the Wii U, you're going to get a gimped version with lower res graphics, longer load times, and possibly even content removed to fit the game on the Wii U.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:19 PM, Envy said:

I'm just glad it didn't become an NX game because I can pretty much guarantee I won't be able to buy one when it comes out.

 

It might, I wouldn't rule it out yet.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:42 PM, Envy said:

But will anyone actually trust the NX to be powerful enough and attract third parties? That's exactly what the Wii U was supposed to be.

I'll trust - and expect - the NX to be an improvement over the Wii U.  While I've enjoyed my Wii U, I'm the type that can actually be satisfied with first / second party and Virtual Console.  Tried to support 3rd party when it existed on the platform, but I felt like I was one of very few who did.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:42 PM, Envy said:

The Wii U was released in 2012, the NX will be released in 2017. I don't think that's a remarkably short lifespan.

I completely agree, and there have been people dating back to year one of the console's lifespan who wanted the Wii U kicked to the curb and replaced back then.  I think people don't know what they want.  And I bet some people with a PS4 (which released after the Wii U) will still go out and buy the upcoming PS4.5.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:50 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

I'll trust - and expect - the NX to be an improvement over the Wii U.

 

 

A very fair expectation.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:50 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

completely agree, and there have been people dating back to year one of the console's lifespan who wanted the Wii U kicked to the curb and replaced back then.  I think people don't know what they want.  And I bet some people with a PS4 (which released after the Wii U) will still go out and buy the upcoming PS4.5.

 

The issue is that we kind of skipped a console generation because the economy shat the bed for a while so 7th gen kind of lasted too long, So this is kind of trying to get caught up, but if executed incorrectly... It'll blow up in their face. 

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:41 PM, PiratePony said:

On one hand, delayed Zeldas often become good Zeldas. On the other hand, that's insane that Wii U is going to come and go so quickly...so much so that if NX has backwards capability and comes so soon, Wii U will be the first Nintendo home console that I don't own.

I'm highly doubting that the NX will be BC. If Nintendo wants the NX to be easier to develop/port for as well as launch at an affordable price, they'll need to ditch the PowerPC architecture used in the GC/Wii/Wii U(which is why the Wii/Wii U were backwards compatible) while making the NX easier to develop for like the PS4/Xbox One and using a similar architecture to those consoles, and they can't exactly have a PS3 situation where they have BC but the price is jacked so high either

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I get the feeling that Nintendo is abandoning ship on the WiiU and banking on the NX being a success. If the new Zelda is a launch title, that alone should move some units.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:48 PM, Key Sharkz said:

This will not be the same problem though. The Wii and the Gamecube were so similar in hardware the games were so close in quality for that reason, but the NX is supposed to be as powerful as the Xbox One, so the NX version is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded, so it's like if you get it on the Wii U, you're going to get a gimped version with lower res graphics, longer load times, and possibly even content removed to fit the game on the Wii U.

Largely speculative, considering that 1. no one knows a damned thing, for certain, about the NX and 2. it might go the other way.  Perhaps early NX-adopters will be whining about how THEIR version of the game was deliberately gimped just so Wii U and NX owners would get an essentially identical experience.  Not to mention: People don't buy Zelda games for the graphics, and I don't recall load times ever being an issue for first party Nintendo titles.  The people at Nintendo KNOW how to get the most out of their own hardware.

 

And what do you mean "content removed to fit the game on Wii U?"  I've got a 1TB external HD; I can fit any-sized retail games onto that.  Content could potentially be split between the physical disc and later updates / dlc.  Or hell: Nintendo could pull a PS1 or Gamecube and distribute the game over multiple discs.  There's no really good reason to believe that the scope of actual game content will vary significantly; a bigger download / install size on the NX could be justified merely by graphical improvements.

 

Which, again, ain't why people buy Zeldas.  You have to have seen The Weedwhacker Windwaker at this point; photo-realistic, next-gen fare that is NOT.  And yet, a good number of people love that game.

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:55 PM, Megas said:

I'm highly doubting that the NX will be BC.

I think it's highly likely that it will be.  I'm basing that on two things: 1. Nintendo's recent love affair with backwards compatibility and 2. something I read from Nintendo itself that claimed the NX would nicely "incorporate the Wii U's architecture" (I'm half-paraphrasing because this is from memory).

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:00 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

 

I think it's highly likely that it will be.  I'm basing that on two things: 1. Nintendo's recent love affair with backwards compatibility and 2. something I read from Nintendo itself that claimed the NX would nicely "incorporate the Wii U's architecture" (I'm half-paraphrasing because this is from memory).

In don't think this was ever said, I do remember the new Nintendo President saying that it'll be unrelated to the Wii line

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:48 PM, Key Sharkz said:

Which kind of comes off as burning Wii U owners.This will not be the same problem though. The Wii and the Gamecube were so similar in hardware the games were so close in quality for that reason, but the NX is supposed to be as powerful as the Xbox One, so the NX version is going to be SIGNIFICANTLY upgraded, so it's like if you get it on the Wii U, you're going to get a gimped version with lower res graphics, longer load times, and possibly even content removed to fit the game on the Wii U.

Honestly, most of that is completely meaningless to me. And if the cut 'content' is on the level of the 'new features' they've added in games like TPHD, WWHD, OOT3D, and MM3D I really won't be missing out on anything there, either.

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:50 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

I'll trust - and expect - the NX to be an improvement over the Wii U.  While I've enjoyed my Wii U, I'm the type that can actually be satisfied with first / second party and Virtual Console.  Tried to support 3rd party when it existed on the platform, but I felt like I was one of very few who did.

I really don't know where you're getting that trust from. I'm just like you, I don't really care about many 3rd party titles. There are a very select few. Even so I've resigned to Sony consoles for those.

 

...But the fact of the matter is that Nintendo might not be able to convince me to buy an NX (if I have the money) with the way they're producing their own games right now. The Wii U has been home to a number of solid first party titles, but none of them had any flare of their own and got boring pretty quickly. I think the one that lasted me the longest was Mario Kart 8 which I actually really liked even though it is pretty much the same thing.

 

It's sad, the games are of a higher quality than the Wii, BUT after the Wii having burnt me out on so many franchises maybe I expected too much. Getting too old for this stuff, I guess.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:04 PM, Megas said:

In don't think this was ever said, I do remember the new Nintendo President saying that it'll be unrelated to the Wii line

It was said at some point; and within the context of Nintendo's seemingly unifying their portable and console divisions.  Though this all admittedly predated the untimely passing of president Iwata.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Largely speculative, considering that 1. no one knows a damned thing, for certain, about the NX and 2. it might go the other way. 

 

We have a pretty good idea from leaks, however if it goes the other way, that will be EQUALLY bad. If the NX is not that significantly different from the Wii U, it will create a whole aura of "why bother?"

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Perhaps early NX-adopters will be whining about how THEIR version of the game was deliberately gimped just so Wii U and NX owners would get an essentially identical experience.

 

Which would hurt sales of the new system out of the gate. It's a lose-lose.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Not to mention: People don't buy Zelda games for the graphics, and I don't recall load times ever being an issue for first party Nintendo titles.

 

If the new game is intended as a Next gen experience it's safe to say that they will be pulling full stops if this is meant to be a system seller considering Nintendo is boasting that the Wii U's successor will be more powerful. It would be foolish to boast such a thing and make their biggest launch title not utilize those new features. It's safe to say if the game comes out on next gen that it will be to take advantage of next gen.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

The people at Nintendo KNOW how to get the most out of their own hardware.

 

But that's not the goal of the NX. Nintendo is trying to get third parties back on board, so they need hardware that third parties know how to take advantage of.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

And what do you mean "content removed to fit the game on Wii U?"  I've got a 1TB external HD; I can fit any-sized retail games onto that

 

Nintendo avoids making games that will be bigger than retail disks. Since the Wii U is limited to 25GB on both sides of the disk and the NX may use bluray, there is no doubt that the NX will be ABLE to have larger games so content may have to be cut to make the game fit. Also with the EShop in mind, Nintendo can't really produce a game on the Wii U that is over like 15GB because it would make the Wii U's virtual storage useless. Nintendo generally doesn't RELY on people having an external.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Content could potentially be split between the physical disc and later updates / dlc.

 

On the Wii U? Not feasible with how small the storage is. They can't rely on people having an external.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 5:58 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Or hell: Nintendo could pull a PS1 or Gamecube and distribute the game over multiple discs.

 

It's not really feasible by today's standards because of many reasons. There's a lot of technical reasons on top of expense.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:10 PM, Envy said:

It's sad, the games are of a higher quality than the Wii, BUT after the Wii having burnt me out on so many franchises maybe I expected too much. Getting too old for this stuff, I guess.

I think one of the problems is that fans clamor for new franchises from Nintendo...  And then don't buy the games when they appear.  There are several first-party properties that fans regard as forgotten or neglected, but they probably got that way because they simply didn't sell as well as Mario and Zelda.  Nintendo tries to innovate with those two big sellers, but innovate too much - or deviate too far from the established, successful formula - and you get the backlash you saw in response to either Super Mario Sunshine or TLoZ: Skyward Sword.  I swear I will see people criticize New Super Mario for being too same-ish before turning around and saying they want a Super Mario Galaxy 3.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:12 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

It was said at some point; and within the context of Nintendo's seemingly unifying their portable and console divisions.  Though this all admittedly predated the untimely passing of president Iwata.

 

Probably an idea that has since been dropped because as far as we know the NX is more third party friendly which to me suggests dropping powerPC.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:15 PM, Key Sharkz said:

It's a lose-lose.

That's the most accurate and well-founded thing you could have said.  Because, where Nintendo and its fans are concerned, the one can never satisfy the other no matter who they listen to or how they respond.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:10 PM, Envy said:

Honestly, most of that is completely meaningless to me. And if the cut 'content' is on the level of the 'new features' they've added in games like TPHD, WWHD, OOT3D, and MM3D I really won't be missing out on anything there, either.  

 

Given the jump, I doubt that. If new features are cut we would be looking at SIGNIFICANTLY lower res graphics, DLCs removed, etc.

 

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 6:10 PM, Envy said:

I really don't know where you're getting that trust from. I'm just like you, I don't really care about many 3rd party titles. There are a very select few. Even so I've resigned to Sony consoles for those.

 

And that is why Nintendo is failing. They are seen as "the second system". They are that system you get just for those Nintendo titles and nothing else. Nintendo can't survive on just diehards. They need new fans and people who previously only bought those third party games to come over or there won't BE a Nintendo. Sales keep Nintendo alive, and they are hurting for them.

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 6:20 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

That's the most accurate and well-founded thing you could have said.  Because, where Nintendo and its fans are concerned, the one can never satisfy the other no matter who they listen to or how they respond.

 

All they can REALLY do is damage control now. 

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:00 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

Perhaps early NX-adopters will be whining about how THEIR version of the game was deliberately gimped just so Wii U and NX owners would get an essentially identical experience.

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 6:15 PM, Key Sharkz said:

Which would hurt sales of the new system out of the gate. It's a lose-lose.

 

I think people would be a bit more forgiving it if depending on what's different. If it's a mere difference in graphics, and everything else is the same: content, framerate, etc. I think a lot more people would be fine with that compromise. Zelda U already looks fantastic on the Wii U

 

 

  On 2016-04-27 at 6:15 PM, Key Sharkz said:

It's not really feasible by today's standards because of many reasons. There's a lot of technical reasons on top of expense.

 

 

Yeah. If I remember correctly, this is the reason why certain games like Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect 2, etc. are not digitally available on the Xbox Live store

Edited April 27, 2016 by Megas

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:17 PM, Key Sharkz said:

Probably an idea that has since been dropped because as far as we know the NX is more third party friendly which to me suggests dropping powerPC.

But the point has already been made that the Wii U was supposed to be the 3rd party-attracting powerhouse; that thing was backwards compatible from the get-go.  To be fair, I have read probably-unsubstantiated rumors that Nintendo will be going, to the tune of several titles, the Wii U to NX port route.  Which might crap on the possibility of backwards compatibility.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:23 PM, Ziggy and Angelbaby said:

But the point has already been made that the Wii U was supposed to be the 3rd party-attracting powerhouse

 

And that failed, so why would they try that again? Switching from PowerPC is the smartest choice in terms of making development easier and cheaper and if they did that, running Wii U games natively would be difficult without making the system very expensive.

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  On 2016-04-27 at 6:21 PM, Key Sharkz said:

All they can REALLY do is damage control now. 

What, in my opinion, sucks the most about the whole situation is this: Nintendo never stopped making fun, quality games.  They never stopped being great developers who seemingly care about the gaming experience.  They're absolute shit at advertising, and that sucks, too.  There are games out there like "Destiny" that had great advertising that, well, turned into awful gaming experiences.  But they sold; they were successful.  Advertising means nothing to me; I know what games I want and will enjoy.  But advertising is more important nowadays than actually making a good, fun game.