ManaMinori 4,149 July 10, 2016 Share July 10, 2016 (edited) People remember MLp for being girly, stereotypical, frilly frou frou cartoons. Now, that TV wasn't so much so in generation 1, but ien 1.5 (pony tales), and g3 it was. I liked the purely innocent, escapism magical pony world (espcially g3) that mlp was supposed to represent. Friendship is magic did, and still does, but also has real world problems in it to give it more bite and edge- Conspiracy cover ups with monsters and villains (orchestrated by the Equestrian government, and S.M.I.L.E, passed off as mares tales, Brainwashing being acceptable by unicorns , whether protagonist or antagonists, Near famines, wars, coups, she-demons... (and many mythical aspects in the early season seem tossed to the wayside), So does FiM (especially later seasons) feel like the bright and sparkly, supposed to be innocent and happy and detatched from whatever gross things exist to depress us in our real world? Is it supposed to be? Do you guys think it should be?, or are you fine with the issues we, as a collective race face, to be depicted also in a supposed to be happy, innocent, magical, detatched pastel pony show? What is "My little pony" supposed to be? Edited July 10, 2016 by Nightmare Muffin Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterstep 47,332 July 10, 2016 Share July 10, 2016 (edited) I think it's inbetween. There's episodes that almost touch upon more serious and mature problems, but quickly switch back to little friendship problems that could be resolved in seconds just by having a short conversation over it. The last generation of MLP that I saw as a kid (I think it was called My Little Pony n' Friends) may have had more fantasy elements, but the crimes and consequences had more weight on them - making the show much more exciting. Edited July 10, 2016 by Flutterstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,149 July 10, 2016 Author Share July 10, 2016 I think it's inbetween. There's episodes that almost touch upon more serious and mature problems, but quickly switch back to little friendship problems that could be resolved in seconds just by have a short conversation over. The last generation of MLP that I saw as a kid (I think it was My Little Pony n' Friends) may have had more fantasy elements, but the crimes and consequences had more weight on them - making the show much more exciting.should there be episodes like the more serious ones, with war, racism, etc. At all in FiM, is what I'm asking The show's popularity was due to the fact that it provided escapism in pure goodness and innocence, at a time when people were looking for it, with all what was going on in our world. So to adopt elements of the gritty and dark and such that wasn't there, or desired, originally..... Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flutterstep 47,332 July 10, 2016 Share July 10, 2016 should there be episodes like the more serious ones, with war, racism, etc. At all in FiM, is what I'm asking The show's popularity was due to the fact that it provided escapism in pure goodness and innocence, at a time when people were looking for it, with all what was going on in our world. So to adopt elements of the gritty and dark and such that wasn't there, or desired, originally..... I think the show should have been more like how it use to be: an exciting show anyone can enjoy and escape from reality. Gritty and dark themes placed in kids cartoon is somewhat becoming overdone; therefore, they are ineffective and unoriginal (in my opinion). I'd like to see more episodes about exploring the universe of MLP as the main topic, but then have some morals about friendship learnt along the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrond 3,271 July 10, 2016 Share July 10, 2016 Well, I don't have much experience with future generations, so I can't really comment. It's not like it's not girly or anything, and it's definitely naive, but there is certainly an element of seriousness in there now and then in spite of that. I kinda wish that the show would address some of its conflicts more maturely and complexly, but I also am very fond of its naive point of view and would hope for that to remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,884 July 10, 2016 Share July 10, 2016 Yes and Voyager still felt like Star Trek. One does not need to go home to feel at home. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainstorm 4,123 July 12, 2016 Share July 12, 2016 Basically, I think FIM is a good, it gives morals and adventures that everyone can enjoy, and it's done in a way that girls and boys can enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarston1 5,964 July 12, 2016 Share July 12, 2016 I guess. I don't really know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyyoshi309 1,829 July 12, 2016 Share July 12, 2016 (edited) People remember MLp for being girly, stereotypical, frilly frou frou cartoons. Now, that TV wasn't so much so in generation 1, but ien 1.5 (pony tales), and g3 it was. I liked the purely innocent, escapism magical pony world (espcially g3) that mlp was supposed to represent. Friendship is magic did, and still does, but also has real world problems in it to give it more bite and edge- Conspiracy cover ups with monsters and villains (orchestrated by the Equestrian government, and S.M.I.L.E, passed off as mares tales, Brainwashing being acceptable by unicorns , whether protagonist or antagonists, Near famines, wars, coups, she-demons... (and many mythical aspects in the early season seem tossed to the wayside), So does FiM (especially later seasons) feel like the bright and sparkly, supposed to be innocent and happy and detatched from whatever gross things exist to depress us in our real world? Is it supposed to be? Do you guys think it should be?, or are you fine with the issues we, as a collective race face, to be depicted also in a supposed to be happy, innocent, magical, detatched pastel pony show? What is "My little pony" supposed to be? Why is that every topic you start always pisses me off? I mean, I respect your opinions, but seriously... Anyway, yes, it should have dark topics that make you think! You do realize that G3 is infamous for being brainless and horrible?! Though myself and majority of the bronies I know are bronies because the show is interesting, it handles serious topics that make you really think, all while being presented in a cute artistic way. It teaches good morales and doesn't melt your brain as much as most other movies or TV. I know myself that I would still be a massive anti brony if it were not for episodes like the season 4 finale. Also, from what I hear, G1 was vary dark and adventurous. When people put there kids in front of the TV (or watch it themselves) they do not want it to just be a kind of drug that dulls the brain. They want entertainment, action adventure, drama! None of those which you can get from a MLP G3 like show. *Edit: I apologize that this post is all over the place and not vary fluent. Edited July 12, 2016 by Babyyoshi309 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weesh 690 July 12, 2016 Share July 12, 2016 I think the answer to this question will depend very strongly on your view of what the core of MLP:FIM actually is. Unfortunately for my ability to answer with confidence, I've seen none of the earlier generations, and I can't say what the core used to be, or tell how it has changed. But I can compare the current season to the first season. If you think of MLP as friendship lessons or letters, the changes through the seasons might have been distressing. But I'd argue that the core of MLP:FIM started with and continues to be: platonic female friends sharing life together. Wings, and lessons and maps don't change that, and thus my answer would be "yes, it still feels like MLP". In fact, I'd say season 6 is more like season 1 than any of the others from that criteria, but that it is a close enough race that I'd be hesitant to be dogmatic about that. So does FiM (especially later seasons) feel like the bright and sparkly, supposed to be innocent and happy and detatched from whatever gross things exist to depress us in our real world? Is it supposed to be? I'd say no and no, but that is firmly from my own perspective and preferences. I guess. I don't really know. This is the opinion I most admire in this thread so far. As hard as I've tried to explain it, the title of the topic uses the word "feel". Either it does or it doesn't to everyone. And no one has to justify their answer when the question seems designed to be a bit nebulous. Yeah, it feels a bit different, but how different? Send me pictures of ponies in hoodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moony the Cat 3,707 July 12, 2016 Share July 12, 2016 I still think, G4 feels like the older Shows, because even G4 has some Episodes without fights or serious themes and it focuses more on telling jokes and being funny. Its just that G4 sometimes changes the tone a bit, but only for a few Episodes, for me its still mostly funny and bright. So...Fim doesnt feel that different. Sig made by Kyoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,149 July 12, 2016 Author Share July 12, 2016 Why is that every topic you start always pisses me off? I mean, I respect your opinions, but seriously... Anyway, yes, it should have dark topics that make you think! You do realize that G3 is infamous for being brainless and horrible?! Though myself and majority of the bronies I know are bronies because the show is interesting, it handles serious topics that make you really think, all while being presented in a cute artistic way. It teaches good morales and doesn't melt your brain as much as most other movies or TV. I know myself that I would still be a massive anti brony if it were not for episodes like the season 4 finale. Also, from what I hear, G1 was vary dark and adventurous. When people put there kids in front of the TV (or watch it themselves) they do not want it to just be a kind of drug that dulls the brain. They want entertainment, action adventure, drama! None of those which you can get from a MLP G3 like show. *Edit: I apologize that this post is all over the place and not vary fluent. I don't know why you choose to be pissed off at every topic I make. I'm not in control of your emotions or triggers. So I honestly cannot say why everything I post seems to provoke you. If my topics make you feel that way, then -just to satisfy my curiosity- why do you throw yourself into clicking and posting, rather than avoiding what upsets you? Because my topics aren't intentionally created to provoke, it puts ME on the spot, even trying to reply to you, with what I beleive to be even a mild response, because I just don't know whaf it is that you find upstting about seemingly anything I post, so I'd be walking on eggshells.Basically, I think FIM is a good, it gives morals and adventures that everyone can enjoy, and it's done in a way that girls and boys can enjoy.so the darker and morally questionable scenes from both the pro/antagonists don't steer FiM away from the bright, magical, happy world of escpism that isn't like ours feel that My Little Pony as a whole is supposed to represent? Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyyoshi309 1,829 July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 I don't know why you choose to be pissed off at every topic I make. I'm not in control of your emotions or triggers. So I honestly cannot say why everything I post seems to provoke you. If my topics make you feel that way, then -just to satisfy my curiosity- why do you throw yourself into clicking and posting, rather than avoiding what upsets you? Because my topics aren't intentionally created to provoke, it puts ME on the spot, even trying to reply to you, with what I beleive to be even a mild response, because I just don't know whaf it is that you find upstting about seemingly anything I post, so I'd be walking on eggshells. so the darker and morally questionable scenes from both the pro/antagonists don't steer FiM away from the bright, magical, happy world of escpism that isn't like ours feel that My Little Pony as a whole is supposed to represent? Well, I have only seen 2 topics that you have started. So I guess I made it sound worse than it actually was. Though that was more of a side note anyway. Plus it was not even really pissed off, more like disagreeing with your opinions. Well who ever said MLP was supposed to represent "bright, magical, and happy"? I personally would hate the show if it was always happy sunshine 24/7. Also, I would no doubt take well developed interesting characters and well written drama/conflicts, over bright, magic, and happy any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discordian 6,021 July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 The better question is: Does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph00tbag 108 July 13, 2016 Share July 13, 2016 I guess it depends on what you mean by MLP. What is MLP as a brand, at its core? That's a doozy of a question. Bonnie Zacherle is known to have created the My Pretty Pony line based on an interest she felt, and evidently still feels, to be universal among boys and girls to have a horse; not only a horse to ride, but be responsible for the care and keeping of. Coming from that little kernel, I would say that MLP, from the beginning, has been about that fascination humans hold for horses in particular among other animals. Humanity's relationship with Equinity (?) is rather unique, and I think MLP at its core seeks to adapt the mythos surrounding that relationship to the modern era. Does FiM do that? I think it actually does so more effectively than much of MLP's history--particularly in the broader appeal and aesthetic quality. The appeal to both genders is more aligned with the original design's ethos, and the quality production places it among the better modern cartoons, which keeps the mythos of horses relevant. The main area where I'd say FiM fails in this, though, and where it actually used to succeed, is that the characters are less "horse-like" than they used to be. They do still use equine body language, like rearing and flicking their tails in agitation, but there's a lot of canine movement worked in. And I get that humans more innately understand canine body language, but acting like horses was one of the things I remember Lauren Faust saying was one of her focuses early on, and I think it's unfortunate that's fallen by the wayside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainstorm 4,123 July 26, 2016 Share July 26, 2016 so the darker and morally questionable scenes from both the pro/antagonists don't steer FiM away from the bright, magical, happy world of escpism that isn't like ours feel that My Little Pony as a whole is supposed to represent? What I mean is, the morals and adventures this version does, it's too good to let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Pixel 34 July 27, 2016 Share July 27, 2016 Hard to say... I mean,it was mlp,but in G4, even in the first episodes we see,that it's not girly at all,lot's of easter eggs from another films a.t.c that girls could not know about,friendship lessons is for the boys too,why not? Male friendship is lot better than Female friendship.But... There is one thing... Rarity...She makes dresses,she makes songs of it,yep... Rarity is the only thing that makes it girly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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