Phosphor 11,529 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 I pretty much considered Obama to be an extension of the Bush administration, at least in terms of foreign policy. Economically, he was just another run of the mill neoliberal politician. I will however give credit where it's due. I agreed with his decision to open up relations with Cuba. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppleButt 8,675 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 I put him under the category of a decent politician. Nothing more, nothing less. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,276 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 (edited) I put him in the category of: "Not as bad as Hillary, but still don't like him at all." All the drone strikes, all the TPP nonsense, oh and let us not forget about a quite reasonably unpopular healthcare plan that is just more evidence we have a system laden with corruption. Though I'll tell you Trump being president in the first place is proof of the latter as well, among a heck of a lot of other things. I swear this country hasn't had a decent president since LBJ, and even then he sent our troops into Vietnam for the stupid political agenda that's so obvious in modern politics to anybody who isn't blinded by propaganda so there's that. Edited April 20, 2020 by Dustlicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim&Venöm 19,084 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 A nice guy and an intelligent human being. He'd be a cool dude to hang out with. But his economic policies did some damage. He added more to the US debt than any previous president. Future generations will not be happy with him knowing that he spent the money they were supposed to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,276 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Denim&Venöm said: But his economic policies did some damage. He added more to the US debt than any previous president. Future generations will not be happy with him knowing that he spent the money they were supposed to have. Partially due to inflation and partially due to policies already in place from Bush Jr. (you know all the military spending $#!+), but yeah he did a LOT of damage to the economy. So did Reagan though interestingly enough, and yet he's worshipped all the time. Forgetting he still has the third highest debt contribution of any president not including Trump. And factoring in inflation, he did more damage than even Bush Jr. did. Edited April 20, 2020 by Dustlicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim&Venöm 19,084 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dustlicious said: Partially due to inflation and partially due to policies already in place from Bush Jr. (you know all the military spending $#!+), but yeah he did a LOT of damage to the economy. So did Reagan though interestingly enough, and yet he's worshipped all the time. Forgetting he still has the third highest debt contribution of any president not including Trump. And factoring in inflation, he did more damage than even Bush Jr. did. I guess all of that was acceptable back when we had a healthier economy. Not so much in a post recession world with a more frugal generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here No Longer 5,276 April 20, 2020 Share April 20, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Denim&Venöm said: I guess all of that was acceptable back when we had a healthier economy. Not so much in a post recession world with a more frugal generation. Yeah well, that doesn't excuse the fact Reagan is the president pretty much behind the absolutely terrible economic policies that Republicans today seem to be all about. So in a way it could be argued he probably caused a lot of the debt we have today with his economic policies becoming the Republican norm. But he becomes a "great president" because what? An compromise with the Soviets that was rather EASY in hindsight? Edited April 20, 2020 by Dustlicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerox 1,126 April 21, 2020 Share April 21, 2020 I'm not an american but I do like and have respect for Obama. He is normal human being, respects others, actually knows how to run a country, doesn't peddle dumb/disproven conspiracy theories like you know who - trump, actually admits he makes mistakes and actually tries to fix them or do better next time. Well I could go on but this about sums it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early Sunsets 2,107 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 He was far from my favorite president, but I'd prefer him over Hillary, Bernie, et. al. Mitt Romeny or John McCain were better candidates. Rainbow Dash Fanatic "You stroll down memories of younger, brighter times 'cause you never realize what you've got till you leave it all behind." ~ dBPony "So we’re here at the end, did we teach you well, my friend? Don’t look so sad to see us go, after the rain comes rainbows." ~ Princewhateverer "Darlin' you'll be okay." ~ Vic Fuentes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi89 5,293 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 (edited) I find Obama to be no more hypocritical than other establishment politicians, lecturing us on things like global warming and wealth inequality. And then he buys an eight-figure house in Martha’s Vineyard which is susceptible to coastal flooding and hurricanes. He did follow through on some promises as president (pulling out of Iraq) although some of his inaction made things worse (the rise of ISIS). He also had some mixed priorities, saying he had doubts about the NDAA and then signing it anyway. As a person, he’s a mixed bag. He’s got charisma and a good sense of humor. However, he’s also said some pretty selfish things like pleading with voters to elect Hillary because “it will affect [him] personally.” He also sarcastically thanked Red Sox fans at Fenway for giving his hometown team (the White Sox) one of their star players in a trade. Edited April 22, 2020 by Yoshi89 ˙ʎpoqʎuɐ ƃuᴉlooɟ ʇou ǝɹ,noʎ 'sᴉɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pentium100 2,130 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 I think that Obama, at least during the last years of his term, became kind-of ineffective and indecisive. How many "red lines" did he draw for Syria? He waited long enough for Assad to call Russia for help and then, of course, he couldn't really do anything anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi89 5,293 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, Bas said: Are you suggesting that 4 hours ago, Yoshi89 said: global warming and wealth inequality don't exist? No. Obama's behavior in my example above suggests that he doesn't believe in either, and he should be the last person to lecture common people on what he thinks. ˙ʎpoqʎuɐ ƃuᴉlooɟ ʇou ǝɹ,noʎ 'sᴉɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi89 5,293 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Bas said: I'd be careful with making such assumptions solely based on (i assume so) private purchases. At the very least, I think his politic did show he concerns for that stuff Actions speak louder than words, but unfortunately there are worse hypocrites than Obama. If elitist celebrities and politicians want to lecture us on doing our part, then they should realize they’re not immune from criticism either. They’re not doing the world any favors flying around in private planes. Plus, the oil industry thrived under Obama who has unabashedly supported fracking. https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/02/12/president-obama-gets-it-fracking-is-awesome/#5799f577425d https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/01/15/president-obamas-petroleum-legacy/#7e13d3e2c10f ˙ʎpoqʎuɐ ƃuᴉlooɟ ʇou ǝɹ,noʎ 'sᴉɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O-78 28,607 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 Honestly, I'd prefer a third Obama term over any of the candidates (from either party) who ran in 2016 or 2020. 1 Signature by @Mellow Mane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshi89 5,293 April 22, 2020 Share April 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bas said: I don't get how you are a Trump supporter when reading this. I feel the same way about "environmentalists" supporting Obama, knowing he was and still is a "do as I say, not as I do" politician. Edited April 22, 2020 by Yoshi89 ˙ʎpoqʎuɐ ƃuᴉlooɟ ʇou ǝɹ,noʎ 'sᴉɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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