The Crusaders need new, better adventures.

[FirePuppy 736]

Every time with them, it's the same old thing -- originally, think of ways to earn their Cutie Marks, then after that, helps others earn Cutie Marks, and even help Big Mac find a crush. But to be honest, I'm getting Sooo tired of those things. Why can't they have some more, new exciting adventures for a change rather than doing the same thing over and over again?

For example, in a Season 8 episode, it wouldn't hurt if the Cutie Map called Pinkie Pie and those three fillies to someplace they've never gone (and we've never seen) before. Don't forget, we've had Starlight do something like this in A Royal Problem.

Edited September 30, 2017 by FirePuppy

[Jeric 46,869]

14 minutes ago, FirePuppy said:

Every time with them, it's the same old thing -- originally, think of ways to earn their Cutie Marks, then after that, helps others earn Cutie Marks, and even help Big Mac find a crush. But to be honest, I'm getting Sooo tired of those things. Why can't they have some more, new exciting adventures for a change rather than doing the same thing over and over again?

For example, in a Season 8 episode, it wouldn't hurt if the Cutie Map called Pinkie Pie and those three fillies to someplace they've never gone (and we've never seen) before. Don't forget, we've had Starlight do something like this in A Royal Problem.

While I have no issues with then finding new ways to apply their destinies to a story, I actually like your idea of the map including them on an adventure with Pinkie. She has had the smallest amount of interaction with then as a group, so it is unexplored territory for sure. 

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,957]

Kinda weird that Starlight was called by the map before them, the fillies that deal entirely with helping other's with their destiny or cutie mark issues.The map calls for friendship issues but there's gotta be friendship issues because of Cutie Marks, as we clearly saw with Starlight's past. Maybe have a filly suffering a similar situation somewhere.  The CMC's need at least one episode like that at least.

[Jade Fire 7,059]

1 hour ago, Kyoshi said:

Kinda weird that Starlight was called by the map before them, the fillies that deal entirely with helping other's with their destiny or cutie mark issues.The map calls for friendship issues but there's gotta be friendship issues because of Cutie Marks, as we clearly saw with Starlight's past. Maybe have a filly suffering a similar situation somewhere.  The CMC's need at least one episode like that at least.

yeah it really seems that they're working starlight in as the 7th this season. which to be fair, she was always meant to be a main character. maybe they finally got the go ahead from hasbro to do it?

Edited September 30, 2017 by Jade Fire

[FlareGun45 2,221]

Actually I'd like more roles like that! CMCs helping others with cutie mark problems, and it's been brought to a whole new direction! Next stop: CMCs in Manehattan!

[Aethylynn 45]

5 hours ago, MegaSean45 said:

Actually I'd like more roles like that! CMCs helping others with cutie mark problems, and it's been brought to a whole new direction! Next stop: CMCs in Manehattan!

I imagine Princess Celestia calling upon them to solve a royal cutie mark problem.

But I do agree that more adventures that don't revolve around cutie marks would be refreshing.

One thing they could use is a new nemesis to replace Diamond Tiara.

[FirePuppy 736]

11 hours ago, MegaSean45 said:

Actually I'd like more roles like that! CMCs helping others with cutie mark problems, and it's been brought to a whole new direction! Next stop: CMCs in Manehattan!

With Pinkie taking them in a Filly-Guides scouting adventure to meet that's city Crusaders, including Babs, under my thought. They're still too young to go by themselves, after all -- at least, I think so.

By the way, Babs already got her cutie mark, and second of all, I don't want more roles of the same old thing, as I explained earlier. And finally, all the other Mane Six have already had at least one adventure with these Crusaders, and I think that's enough adventures with them by now.

Edited October 1, 2017 by FirePuppy

[Steve Piranha 29,451]

They could make a Ponyville Mysteries tie-in as they seem to have a knack of solving them

 

[Marimo 555]

6 hours ago, FirePuppy said:

And finally, all the other Mane Six have already had at least one adventure with these Crusaders, and I think that's enough adventures with them by now.

I don't think they'd pair Pinkie with them just for the sake of crossing off Pinkie/CMC episode on some checklist of episode team ups. Usually they're paired up with Applejack, Rarity, and/or Rainbow Dash because they're sisters and that's just the most logical story sense that they'd hang out with each other. The episode with Twilight capitalized on Twilight's increase in fame after becoming a princess and her acting as a teacher, which is a role that seems natural for her. Fluttershy's episode with them was just an early episode teaching her about responsibility with babysitting, can't use other animals since that idea would already be used in the finale Best Night Ever and there aren't any other young, mischevious characters for her to take care of at the time, and the learning responsibility through babysitting idea is something Pinkie's already had to deal with due to her relationship with the Cake twins, most notably in Baby Cakes.

So rather than just approaching it from the angle of they need to have an episode with the CMC and Pinkie because it hasn't been done before, you'd more likely get that episode if the thought is here's a CMC episode and for the story idea we would need a character like Pinkie to make this episode work best, or vice versa and its a Pinkie episode where she would need someone to fill the role that the CMC would best fit. One that would require children who are older and not something that the Cake twins could easily fill in for.

Edited October 1, 2017 by Marimo

[Hierok 11,832]

Like @Marimo said, we shouldn't hope for something because it hasn't happened with one character. It makes no sense to go on a journey with Pinkie. I rather see Starlight and the CMC pair up, because Starlight knows a lot of cutiemark spells which could help the CMC with surtan problems.

[FirePuppy 736]

I'm gonna act like a defendant on trial in court and state the following:

5 hours ago, Marimo said:

Usually they're paired up with Applejack, Rarity, and/or Rainbow Dash because they're sisters and that's just the most logical story sense that they'd hang out with each other. The episode with Twilight capitalized on Twilight's increase in fame after becoming a princess and her acting as a teacher, which is a role that seems natural for her. Fluttershy's episode with them was just an early episode teaching her about responsibility with babysitting, can't use other animals since that idea would already be used in the finale Best Night Ever and there aren't any other young, mischevious characters for her to take care of at the time, and the learning responsibility through babysitting idea is something Pinkie's already had to deal with due to her relationship with the Cake twins, most notably in Baby Cakes.

So rather than just approaching it from the angle of they need to have an episode with the CMC and Pinkie because it hasn't been done before, you'd more likely get that episode if the thought is here's a CMC episode and for the story idea we would need a character like Pinkie to make this episode work best, or vice versa and its a Pinkie episode where she would need someone to fill the role that the CMC would best fit. One that would require children who are older and not something that the Cake twins could easily fill in for.

They can't keep on having episodes with their sisters over and over. Moreover, Fluttershy and Twilight were lucky they got those episodes. So I'm still sure there's a million (what I mean is, many) ways Pinkie can have something at all. Maybe they can teach her something they know that she doesn't know. That's one clear example.

4 hours ago, Hierok said:

Like @Marimo said, we shouldn't hope for something because it hasn't happened with one character. It makes no sense to go on a journey with Pinkie. I rather see Starlight and the CMC pair up, because Starlight knows a lot of cutiemark spells which could help the CMC with surtan problems.

Starlight didn't even appear in a SINGLE episode focusing on the CMCs, and she probably doesn't even know them much either. So chances are, there won't be a Starlight/CMC episode more than that other one.

Sometimes, adventures that don't make sense can still come true, even ones we didn't expect to see happening, like The Cart Before the Ponies, which was a random CMC adventure that could've been anypony, or Dungeons & Discords with Spike, Discord, and Big Mac. Those three boys paired together don't make as much sense as Pinkie and CMCs (at least to you plaintiffs), and they still got an official episode anyways.

Don't forget, it's always good to see something new, especially on those rare occasions where the involved characters make no sense with each other. I mean, imagine if the same old things over and over continued. More people would hate the show, and that would be nasty! Remember Applejack's "Day" Off and Honest Apple? So please understand what I'm saying to you and just trust me.

Edited October 1, 2017 by FirePuppy

[MAIKUN 262]

Or maybe they should either give up on their Cutie Marks or disband by going their separate ways instead?

[Jeric 46,869]

3 hours ago, FirePuppy said:

They can't keep on having episodes with their sisters over and over.

Sure they can if that is what the writers prefer. I know that isn't what you want, but they don't seem to appear to want to drop that element of their character dynamic, and there certainly isn't anything keeping them from continuing on this track. In statistics there is something called forecasting and trending. Both principles indicate this will be how they continue. What you are talking about is an outlier, which should never be the basis of analysis. Don't manage data to the exception. 

I definitely want to see Pinkie interacting with the CMC, but the story has to make sense as @Marimo said. 

[Ganondox 899]

On 9/30/2017 at 3:04 PM, FirePuppy said:

Every time with them, it's the same old thing -- originally, think of ways to earn their Cutie Marks, then after that, helps others earn Cutie Marks, and even help Big Mac find a crush. But to be honest, I'm getting Sooo tired of those things. Why can't they have some more, new exciting adventures for a change rather than doing the same thing over and over again?

For example, in a Season 8 episode, it wouldn't hurt if the Cutie Map called Pinkie Pie and those three fillies to someplace they've never gone (and we've never seen) before. Don't forget, we've had Starlight do something like this in A Royal Problem.

The Sugar Belle thing was something kinda different. 

[FirePuppy 736]

10 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

The Sugar Belle thing was something kinda different. 

That counts as "help Big Mac find a crush", one of the things the CMCs have accomplished and won't be doing it again.

Edited October 1, 2017 by FirePuppy

[Marimo 555]

5 hours ago, FirePuppy said:

Those three boys paired together don't make as much sense as Pinkie and CMCs (at least to you plaintiffs)

Actually it does make sense to me, in that it was an attempt at an episode focusing on the male characters of the cast. Spike and Big Mac were mentioned to hang out with each other in a throwaway joke back in The Cutie Map, and Discord would be able to be used to provide some chaos and spice up the scenario, plus the story purposely invokes him having to spend time with characters that he hasn't really hung out with before. Shining probably should've been involved too as another major male character, but considering he lives in the Crystal Empire it would've probably felt out of place to have him come all the way down to Ponyville, leaving it to just two guys who live in Ponyville and one who frequently visits there with teleportation.

Meanwhile, there is no story reason you have presented to have Pinkie with the Crusaders other than "we haven't seen that pairing yet". You don't even really have a plot, as in a narrative structure including some conflict, you just have the CMC and Pinkie go to Manehatten, for Filly Guide stuff, to meet that area's branch of the CMC, even though you have no actual story reason for anything besides maybe the CMC going to meet Babs. Like why are you adding in their Filly Guide stuff when they already have enough reason alone to visit Babs as CMC? And you still haven't given any reason for why Pinkie is the one chaperoning the three rather than Applejack (who is also Babs' cousin) or Rarity (who loves Manehatten as well as maybe wanting to check on her shop there), or even just giving the thrown in excuse that the two are busy and Pinkie is a last minute chaperone, what exactly is her purpose in the story? That's mainly my problem with your suggestions, they're half-baked and seemed fueled only by wanting to see some combination that hasn't been done before that it doesn't seem like you even really know what you're actually trying to get from the combo or what the result will be like. I mean if we just go by the logic, we haven't experienced it before therefore it should be good, crayfish and squash together should be tasty even though I'm fairly sure it isn't. So no, as of right now Pinkie and the CMC don't make much sense, certainly not compared to why we got Discord, Spike, and Big Mac. Give me an actual, decent story, with some sort of conflict that needs to be resolved and a lesson to be learned that makes sense with Pinkie and the CMC, and I probably won't be as skeptical.

Also, I think what you meant to say was that the three boys paired together don't make much sense as Pinkie and the CMC to you the defendent, rather than to me the plaintiff.

Edited October 2, 2017 by Marimo

[Ganondox 899]

22 minutes ago, FirePuppy said:

That counts as "help Big Mac find a crush", one of the things the CMCs have accomplished and won't be doing it again.

It's not a cutie mark thing though, so it's different. 

4 hours ago, MAIKUN said:

Or maybe they should either give up on their Cutie Marks or disband by going their separate ways instead?

How and why? This is the most nonsensical thing to do in their arc. 

[Marimo 555]

2 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

How and why? This is the most nonsensical thing to do in their arc. 

MAIKUN's always like that. You're not going to get a satisfying answer for that, he always insists that they will or should disband or get rid of their cutie marks.

[Ganondox 899]

12 minutes ago, Marimo said:

crayfish and squash together should be tasty even though I'm fairly sure it isn't

This analogy buffles me, why WOULDN'T they go well together? Also, pretty sure there is at least one cajun dish with the two of them. A better comparison would be like tuna fish and ice cream. 

[Marimo 555]

Just now, Ganondox said:

This analogy buffles me, why WOULDN'T they go well together? Also, pretty sure there is at least one cajun dish with the two of them. A better comparison would be like tuna fish and ice cream. 

Or pickles and Oreos? I was just thinking of two random food stuffs to go together.

[Jeric 46,869]

Me reading some of the food combinations.

 

[FirePuppy 736]

1 hour ago, Marimo said:

Meanwhile, there is no story reason you have presented to have Pinkie with the Crusaders other than "we haven't seen that pairing yet". You don't even really have a plot, as in a narrative structure including some conflict, you just have the CMC and Pinkie go to Manehatten, for Filly Guide stuff, to meet that area's branch of the CMC, even though you have no actual story reason for anything besides maybe the CMC going to meet Babs. Like why are you adding in their Filly Guide stuff when they already have enough reason alone to visit Babs as CMC? And you still haven't given any reason for why Pinkie is the one chaperoning the three rather than Applejack (who is also Babs' cousin) or Rarity (who loves Manehatten as well as maybe wanting to check on her shop there), or even just giving the thrown in excuse that the two are busy and Pinkie is a last minute chaperone, what exactly is her purpose in the story? That's mainly my problem with your suggestions, they're half-baked and seemed fueled only by wanting to see some combination that hasn't been done before that it doesn't seem like you even really know what you're actually trying to get from the combo or what the result will be like. I mean if we just go by the logic, we haven't experienced it before therefore it should be good, crayfish and squash together should be tasty even though I'm fairly sure it isn't. So no, as of right now Pinkie and the CMC don't make much sense, certainly not compared to why we got Discord, Spike, and Big Mac. Give me an actual, decent story, with some sort of conflict that needs to be resolved and a lesson to be learned that makes sense with Pinkie and the CMC, and I probably won't be as skeptical.

Also, I think what you meant to say was that the three boys paired together don't make much sense as Pinkie and the CMC to you the defendent, rather than to me the plaintiff.

Does that mean you DON'T want an episode focusing on these four ponies? Well, if Pinkie can't have one, then Starlight can't have one either, because like I said earlier, Starlight DIDN'T make any appearances in Crusaders focused episodes, nor does she know any of them much. Only the official writers can decide no matter what any of us think.

By the way, the reason why I'm this obsessive is because Pinkie is one of my all-time favorites, and I just feel heartbroken if she keeps  on getting unsuitable episodes. Also, the reason for my lack of full knowledge about the show is because I first joined these forums last year and I don't usually post here often, and I just pay attention to what's in the episodes rather than seeing the episodes themselves. I guess that's a lesson I should learn myself. Do you understand what I mean?

Edited October 2, 2017 by FirePuppy

[Marimo 555]

29 minutes ago, FirePuppy said:

Do you understand what I mean?

I guess, though I don't really get why you'd get obsessive over a character despite not really watching the episodes, just paying attention to what happens in them.

 

33 minutes ago, FirePuppy said:

Well, if Pinkie can't have one, then Starlight can't have one either, because like I said earlier, Starlight DIDN'T make any appearances in Crusaders focused episodes

To be fair, Pinkie's had more chances than Starlight to be in CMC episodes. How many CMC episodes has Pinkie been in since Starlight joined the main cast, not counting appearing in photos or flashback, just in person?

[FirePuppy 736]

1 minute ago, Marimo said:

I guess, though I don't really get why you'd get obsessive over a character despite not really watching the episodes, just paying attention to what happens in them.

 

To be fair, Pinkie's had more chances than Starlight to be in CMC episodes. How many CMC episodes has Pinkie been in since Starlight joined the main cast, not counting appearing in photos or flashback, just in person?

Who cares? They were all minor roles.

All the best I can do now is wait until next year and at least just hope that whatever I'm dying to see shows up under the press of my own luck, because everything I  try to reason you all with always ends up overruled. <:(

[Hierok 11,832]

9 hours ago, FirePuppy said:

Starlight didn't even appear in a SINGLE episode focusing on the CMCs, and she probably doesn't even know them much either. So chances are, there won't be a Starlight/CMC episode more than that other one.

Sometimes, adventures that don't make sense can still come true, even ones we didn't expect to see happening, like The Cart Before the Ponies, which was a random CMC adventure that could've been anypony, or Dungeons & Discords with Spike, Discord, and Big Mac. Those three boys paired together don't make as much sense as Pinkie and CMCs (at least to you plaintiffs), and they still got an official episode anyways.

Don't forget, it's always good to see something new, especially on those rare occasions where the involved characters make no sense with each other. I mean, imagine if the same old things over and over continued. More people would hate the show, and that would be nasty! Remember Applejack's "Day" Off and Honest Apple? So please understand what I'm saying to you and just trust me.

So Starlight hasn't met them. That only makes it better, because they have never met Starlight, so they can ask a lot about cutiemarks and the reason they are there. 

Cart before ponies was with their big sisters, so it couldn't. Would you ask your family or a stranger to build a car for you?  Of course it will be fun to see a Pinkie & CMC episode, but we also haven't had a Starlight & CMC episode or Celestia & CMC episode. I would see Pinkie earlier as a repeat of events then Starlight or Celestia. 

Edited October 2, 2017 by Hierok