Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 Greetings dear brony community, I'm new here so I don't know if this topic has been around here (probably has been but I'd like to hear your opinions) So my question is, what do you think about the season 7 finale, called shadow play pt1 and 2? I really liked the finale, loved the fact that they've brought Starswirl back, and his element called sorcery..The name of the element itself amazes me. I also loved that the whole season 7 has been similar to the season 4, meaning that you had to pay attention to the previous episodes to actually understand what's going on. I'm refering to the episodes where every pony from the mane 6 got a duty and needed to spawn the pillars of old equestria. Also no matter how Starswirl intelligent was he still learned his lesson of friendship (according to the ending of the 26th episode). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,730 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 First part was alright, second part was horrible. It turned into the Starlight show and every other character was made into a brainless dumbass for the sake of making Starlight look better. So I didn't like it overall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingStar159 2,157 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 Welcome, welcome, welcome! Easily my favorite two parter in the show. Every character got their chance to shine, even Spike, and Starlight finally made some great steps in using what Twilight has been teaching her. Good lore, great character use, and easily the smoothest villain redemption in the series. I still prefer Starlight’s redemption because of its tension and emotion, but Stygian’s redemption was obvious enough that it didn’t have the same rushed feeling every other redemption has had so far. It also has one of my favorite moments in the show to end on. Actually, I just realized that’s how the premier ended as well, huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 26 minutes ago, Kyoshi said: First part was alright, second part was horrible. It turned into the Starlight show and every other character was made into a brainless dumbass for the sake of making Starlight look better. So I didn't like it overall. I understand your rant but can't quite agree with your statement about the starlight show thingy, I mean, isn't basically the whole show the Twilight show? Since she's in charge of everything and main reason the mane 6 are actually the mane 6, she's controlling them, plus she's overrated. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastypk 923 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 Starlight seems to be really good as the outside point of view. Just like with A Royal Problem, the situation was enough that SHE needed to be called where Twilight would have trouble doing anything. And all Starlight did was have suspicions about the finale, she just pushed Twi in the right direction cause she obviously is too fangirled by Starswirl, and he must know best, right...? And I think i would even say Starswirl's attitude about once a villain always a villain reflects a lot of fans' preferences toward not redeeming villains too. Though sometimes redemption works well, sometimes it wouldn't. Plus the thing with Stygian parallels her incredibly meaningfully. "I guess I might have been banished to limbo too." Ow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkfrank 1,125 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 I feel like shadow play was a great way to end a fantastic season. I am a more junkie so when the show expands the unoverse, I generally get excited. Part 1 opens with a nice story book sequence and we get a lot of good character moments throughout, I do kinda think the artifact thing was a little rushed but it really couldn't be improved much. I think part 2 is the real winner though, we see the villain in action, he is inconsequential but his cool design and cool moments make up for that. We get the origin of the true, we see the sirens again, and stygian gets a good redemption. I think it is one of the best finales of the show overall, as always Josh haber excels at character interaction and the final sequence at the well of shade was just done so well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kaeya Simp 13,989 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 the episode was so fucking awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 Just now, Rainbow-The-Brony said: the episode was so fucking awesome I know right..? I love it how you've briefly stated out your opinion using the word "fucking" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kaeya Simp 13,989 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cyraonubite said: I know right..? I love it how you've briefly stated out your opinion using the word "fucking" went overboard with it, didnt i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 Just now, Rainbow-The-Brony said: went overboard with it, didnt i? njaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah you didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Sponge 1,017 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 (edited) Anything that makes Starlight look better than everyone else is a good thing As a fan of Starlight I very much enjoyed the episode, which was good because I was expecting to be disappointed because it was based around the legends series, which I do not follow. Edited December 30, 2017 by Battenberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Battenberg said: Anything that makes Starlight look better than everyone else is a good thing As a fan of Starlight I very much enjoyed the episode, which was good because I was expecting to be disappointed because it was based around the legends series, which I do not follow. Fan of starlight here aswell, love her more than some of the members from the mane 6 (actually just twilight ._.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkfrank 1,125 December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, Cyraonubite said: Fan of starlight here aswell, love her more than some of the members from the mane 6 (actually just twilight ._.) As a Twilight fanboy I declare you as my mortal enemy. naah But Starlight is a awesome character and she has really come a long way and I hope she continues to be as great as she is in season 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest December 30, 2017 Share December 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ryanmahaffe said: As a Twilight fanboy I declare you as my mortal enemy. naah But Starlight is a awesome character and she has really come a long way and I hope she continues to be as great as she is in season 8. Basically what's going to happen in season 8. So a new challenger approaches (actually it's the same one from the season 2 and 6 finale), and she captures the mane 6, THEN starlight faces her AGAIN, BOOM witchcraft happens and starlight banishes the queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrond 3,263 December 31, 2017 Share December 31, 2017 I wasn't huge on it. I guess I'm just not very interested in the show's lore anymore, and I didn't find it very exciting here either. I found Twilight to make some uncharacteristically poor decisions, I find Starlight boring in general, and I didn't like that the first half was the mane six just collecting items to do something we already knew would end badly. Also, maybe I'm biased from having read the comics, but I also found Starswirl to be quite dull. I felt he existed for the sake of the moral more than anything else. With that said, there were a handful of funny moments, so I didn't have an entirely awful time watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,528 December 31, 2017 Share December 31, 2017 Oh look, it's another one. Attention fellow haters: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature Tune 8,392 December 31, 2017 Share December 31, 2017 17 hours ago, Kyoshi said: First part was alright, second part was horrible. It turned into the Starlight show and every other character was made into a brainless dumbass for the sake of making Starlight look better. So I didn't like it overall. I agree, Making the others so stupid that it wasn’t obvious that the pony of shadows was gpoing to come back with them is just...no. Thank you to the amazing @Kyoshi for making me this amazing signature! Go ask me anything at my Ask A Pony thread! https://mlpforums.com/topic/177567-ask-nature-tune/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkfrank 1,125 January 1, 2018 Share January 1, 2018 16 hours ago, Naturelicious Tune said: I agree, Making the others so stupid that it wasn’t obvious that the pony of shadows was gpoing to come back with them is just...no. How were they stupid for not thinking this thing could see the light? None of the Mane 6 aside from Twilight have ever been the ones to reform the major villains or give them a chance. Fluttershy did it because she was assigned that task but initially she didn't think Discord could change either, and look at how everyone treated Discord in season 4, they are not really the ones to be like "lets reform that" Twilight would be the only one but she was COMPLETELY in character fangirling over Starswirl. No one was stupid, they were reacting in an appropriate way to the situation. Starlight only thought of reformation because of her past actions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta 1,462 January 1, 2018 Share January 1, 2018 (edited) Great finale, only thing which hold it back to be my top 2 favorite is the villain is weak (not the character, i mean he is mostly harmless in this finale no matter how dangerous this finale made him out to be). Twilight just too fond of her idol that bringing him back is worth the risk, hey look, the movie, why she followed Celestia stupid plan to find a Macguffin to defeat an army that can be defeated by a day or... why she has to keep the secret of her new alicorns magics away from her friend (and not even warn them about Discord betrayal) in Twilight Kingdom, i can describe these foolishness as Legendary Figure Obsession, Starlight has none of these crap, only figure obsession she has is a childhood friend, commissar Starlight come to keep you in line. Why no one realized reform Pony of Shadow is a thing? Mane 6 is so good as villain ass-kicking that they usually not even think about that option (that exclusive belongs to Humane 7) and reformed a gosh dang Eldritch abomination that could end the light of Equestria? A rational human (or pony) should think Starlight must be a fool, if not for the map, no one will take Starlight opinions seriously. The finale make everyone wrong so Starlight is the only one who is right? No, there is no right option, whether you banish or reformed the villain, the Equestria will be saved no matter what, reform option is just too risky and take more time. Starlight is right BECAUSE SHE GET LUCKY that the map come to confirm her theory or Pony of Shadow isnt being banished right away without any explanation if not for Twilight decide to make an action. Make sense right? Starwirl is an asshole, he just thinking like a normal human would think, that how humans dehumanizing his enemy for decades and he is a gosh dang Starwirl, he's always right. Stygian is a fool for not explain his plan for the Pillars and run away. However, some of you guys forget communication is a general problem of ponies that happened in TOO MANY EPISODES until now, some ponies really terrible as social communication, shutting themself in their own method. This finale is just good, no one is 100% right and 100% wrong, you can pick any side for your own moral definition. The only thing that isnt a creature which is 150% right is the map, it take a peak into the script and show the character the way it want them to be here. If not for the map, no one know what is the best solution at the time, so the map is OP, it always right, Please nerf it and keep everything ambiguous plz! Edited January 1, 2018 by Lambdadelta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrond 3,263 January 1, 2018 Share January 1, 2018 19 hours ago, Lambdadelta said: Twilight just too fond of her idol that bringing him back is worth the risk Doesn't make it less stupid. 19 hours ago, Lambdadelta said: Why no one realized reform Pony of Shadow is a thing? Mane 6 is so good as villain ass-kicking that they usually not even think about that option (that exclusive belongs to Humane 7) and reformed a gosh dang Eldritch abomination that could end the light of Equestria? A rational human (or pony) should think Starlight must be a fool, if not for the map, no one will take Starlight opinions seriously. How about when Starlight suggested it, and Twilight seemed to genuinely consider it, but deferred to Starlight despite outclassing him? Maybe she has a reasonable thought process, but then, I'd argue that's a much more interesting story than "Turns out Starlight was right all along. All glory to Starlight." The problem, in my eyes, is that the second half doesn't make room for its other characters. It doesn't matter how reasonable the mane six's perspective is, because the episode doesn't give it any credit, and the second half doesn't give us much insight into their thought processes. They're accessories to Starlight proving her moral superiority. 19 hours ago, Lambdadelta said: Starwirl is an asshole, he just thinking like a normal human would think, that how humans dehumanizing his enemy for decades and he is a gosh dang Starwirl, he's always right. I might not have considered him an asshole if he was shown doing anything other than being commandeering and insensitive. Maybe he could have shown some other side in that flashback, but nah, just more jumping to conclusions, with a hint of egotism thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta 1,462 January 2, 2018 Share January 2, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: Doesn't make it less stupid. Yes, it doesnt, i am not trying to make Twilight sound smarter, but it's definitely not much more stupid than two example that i stated above. 5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: 'd argue that's a much more interesting story Yes it would be a more interesting story than the current one but it doesnt make the current one terrible or anything, it just worse by comparison. 5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: The problem, in my eyes, is that the second half doesn't make room for its other characters. It doesn't matter how reasonable the mane six's perspective is, because the episode doesn't give it any credit, and the second half doesn't give us much insight into their thought processes The mane 6, the other mane 5 to be more accurate, they are NOT the main characters or drive the conflict, the story in the later half is about Twilight-Starlight/Starwirl-Stygian, the rest of the mane 5 and the rest of the Pillars are served as rainbow cannon heavy squad, like Twilight Kingdom, nothing new here. Not trying to justify this part or anything, just let you know that i realized the flaws of this finale just as much as people do but I speculate it in more positive note than spitting at its hard cold corpse and treat it like the first demon spawn the show has ever created. Because i enjoyed this finale, it didnt failed to entertain me. This finale just has some flaws just as much as some other finales/premieres and inherent some flaws that other Haber's works had. The problems with this finale is just like other finales, they crammed many cool stuffs in one package and sometime forget to use them all. The lack of mane 5's relevance could be a part of Haber's overlooked parts, he might be just busy to focus the true meat of the story and overlook some parts (seriously, there are more than 10 characters crammed into later half of the story). About the group of characters are just accessories to some main characters.... sound familiar, dont you? Why do i have some deja vu about this? Or these things are projections of some things that has repeatedly happen in the past? Season 2? Season 3? Season 4? Season 5? Season 6? 5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: They're accessories to Starlight proving her moral superiority. Starlight role in this finale is moral compass, of course she is more right than other, friendship and forgiveness are superiority in ponies world, but her reasoning still be proved by the map, if not for the map, Starlight's optimism will be drowned in disappointment because violence still the most easy answer to most of conflicts. Like i said, you can pick any side of this episode based from your own moral definition, the map just make the answer less ambiguous. In the grander scheme, everyone are accessories to the map... 5 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: I might not have considered him an asshole I see many people sided with Starwirl and criticized Stygian and Starlight in moral conflicts. Being the mightiest wizard of Equestria make him a bit 'dickish' but still his reasoning is very reasonable, perfectly normal, like mane 6 treat Discord in S4, perfectly normal for people in his timeline. Stygian in Starwirl eyes is a thief, a monster that he even sacrificed himself just to contain him and now some silly unicorns release that monster? How should he treat them anyway? Starwirl is a bit dickish but not total ass. He behaved just like what i expected from his status. I think he's an OK old dude. random: some few people dislike Starwirl because he's not like his pre-legend of magic version.... hahahahahahahaha....... hahaha... comics are B-canon until Hasbro say otherwise, it not writers faults to write something not fit to your non-canon interpretation.... It happened to me sometimes... Edited January 2, 2018 by Lambdadelta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrond 3,263 January 2, 2018 Share January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Lambdadelta said: Starlight role in this finale is moral compass, of course she is more right than other, friendship and forgiveness are superiority in ponies world, but her reasoning still be proved by the map, if not for the map, Starlight's optimism will be drowned in disappointment because violence still the most easy answer to most of conflicts. Like i said, you can pick any side of this episode based from your own moral definition, the map just make the answer less ambiguous. I tend to side with Starlight here, but it’s hard for me to take the opposing side seriously when Starswirl isn’t terribly empathetic and Starlight gets so much more screen time. It feels one sided enough that I find it kinda boring, perhaps because I don’t care about Starlight anymore. 1 hour ago, Lambdadelta said: About the group of characters are just accessories to some main characters.... sound familiar, dont you? Why do i have some deja vu about this? Or these things are projections of some things that has repeatedly happen in the past? Season 2? Season 3? Season 4? Season 5? Season 6? Well, I do find this episode highly formulaic, so I’ll concede that point. 1 hour ago, Lambdadelta said: In the grander scheme, everyone are accessories to the map... Terrifying. 1 hour ago, Lambdadelta said: I see many people sided with Starwirl and criticized Stygian and Starlight in moral conflicts. Being the mightiest wizard of Equestria make him a bit 'dickish' but still his reasoning is very reasonable, perfectly normal, like mane 6 treat Discord in S4, perfectly normal for people in his timeline. Stygian in Starwirl eyes is a thief, a monster that he even sacrificed himself just to contain him and now some silly unicorns release that monster? How should he treat them anyway? Starwirl is a bit dickish but not total ass. He behaved just like what i expected from his status. I think he's an OK old dude. As far as I can tell he’s always been kinda prideful and lacking in empathy, and if he was friends with Stygian for so long, why didn’t he actually try to understand the latter’s decisions? The way Starswirl acts in this, I’m not convinced he’s ever made a meaningful relationship in his life, and if that’s the point... surely that should have taken focus instead of Starlight being morally correct? It’d be less boring. 1 hour ago, Lambdadelta said: random: some few people dislike Starwirl because he's not like his pre-legend of magic version.... hahahahahahahaha....... hahaha... comics are B-canon until Hasbro say otherwise, it not writers faults to write something not fit to your non-canon interpretation.... I think the difference between comics Starswirl and show Starswirl speaks volumes about what’s wrong with the show right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganondorf8 11,367 January 2, 2018 Share January 2, 2018 It was definitely one of the better season finales we've had--nothing holds a candle to Twilight's Kingdom for me--though I can understand why it doesn't appeal to everyone because of how certain characters were portrayed and how the show's own canon got turned on its head. I liked how we were given so much lore that never existed before along with the proper appearance of Starswirl the Bearded after being told about him for seven years. The Pony of Shadows needed to do more than simply be an antagonist for the sake of it such as plunging Equestria into darkness or perhaps an actual conflict had taken place but I appreciate how he was a different kind of villain. I mean, he still wanted power but he did so because he was insecure about his own skills not to mention it was all a misunderstanding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta 1,462 January 2, 2018 Share January 2, 2018 6 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: tend to side with Starlight here, but it’s hard for me to take the opposing side seriously when Starswirl isn’t terribly empathetic and Starlight gets so much more screen time. It feels one sided enough that I find it kinda boring, perhaps because I don’t care about Starlight anymore. Hard to care about the story if you dont even care about the character in the first place, but i wont argue about that. By a way, i sided with Starwirl over the first half of the story, when Starlight suggested that they should talk to Pony of Shadow, i was like "WTF Starlight, you cant just reform anything you see" . I guess Starlight need some target practice for a certain bug-horse queen. One tip for Starlight: To reform some villains, you need to know their backstory first, offer your hoof and make a random reform speech wont work. 6 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: As far as I can tell he’s always been kinda prideful and lacking in empathy, and if he was friends with Stygian for so long, why didn’t he actually try to understand the latter’s decisions? The way Starswirl acts in this, I’m not convinced he’s ever made a meaningful relationship in his life, and if that’s the point... surely that should have taken focus instead of Starlight being morally correct? It’d be less boring. Dont blame everything on Starswirl, its Stygian faults for stealing, running away without explaination and seeking power from Eldritch Abomination to ease his inferiority complex. 6 hours ago, AlexanderThrond said: I think the difference between comics Starswirl and show Starswirl speaks volumes about what’s wrong with the show right now. What is it? Why is one certain difference comics and the show speak about what's wrong with this show? Are comics better? I dont read them often. You know the show has more restraints than the comics, right!? Under some toy promotion agenda by a billion-dollar company, the writers still try to make some good things out of it, i think it is admirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kaeya Simp 13,989 January 2, 2018 Share January 2, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Lambdadelta said: Dont blame everything on Starswirl, its Stygian faults for stealing, running away without explaination and seeking power from Eldritch Abomination to ease his inferiority complex. Do you remember that creatures that've done comparably worse things (Starlight having a cult village or Discord creating Chaos or The Changelings) and been punished. Starswirl and the pilars just didn't share the spotlight for STYGIAN PLANNING THEIR EPIC BATTLES and yet STYGIAN GETS SENT TO LIMBO. DONT BANNISH YOUR FRIENDS. Edited January 2, 2018 by Rainbow-The-Brony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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