Splashee 28,566 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 So Twilight Sparkle is the only one with a dragon. And she hatched it herself as a test in Magic School (a test I think many would fail, but some would of course succeed). Why didn't other ponies do the same test? Spike turned out a very dedicated tool and a friend of course. But I can't seem to stop thinking about how useful he is as an assistant to Twilight. And if dragons were made to be assistants to ponies, it would be cool to have different dragon designs for each of the Mane 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherHoof 26,483 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Super Splashee said: So Twilight Sparkle is the only one with a dragon. And she hatched it herself as a test in Magic School (a test I think many would fail, but some would of course succeed). Why didn't other ponies do the same test? Spike turned out a very dedicated tool and a friend of course. But I can't seem to stop thinking about how useful he is as an assistant to Twilight. And if dragons were made to be assistants to ponies, it would be cool to have different dragon designs for each of the Mane 6? It seems a bit odd. There doesn't seem to have been another dragon egg test other than Twi's... was she set up to fail? Clearly, Sunburst got in and he can't magic his way out of a bag (although given what happened with Pharynix, nor can GlimGlam or Trixie...) ᚾᛖᚹ ᛚᚢᚾᚨ ᚱᛖᛈᚢᛒᛚᛁᚴ - ᚦᛖ ᚠᚢᚾ ᚺᚨᚦ ᛒᛖᛖᚾ ᛞᛟᚢᛒᛚᛖᛞ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinch 1,120 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 Offhand guess, every school test is unique, or at least randomized. That would prevent would-be students from gaming the exam by practicing a specific spell they'd need to get in. 2 Current project: The Olden World audiobook What's to stop you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misty Shadow 7,956 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 I don't think the dragons would be very happy about so many of their kin being subjugated by mamby-pamby ponies. Don't forget the Season 8 premiere, how quickly all the nations were to want to declare war. 3 Comet's still best boi. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 13, 2020 Author Share April 13, 2020 Just now, Quinch said: Offhand guess, every school test is unique, or at least randomized. That would prevent would-be students from gaming the exam by practicing a specific spell they'd need to get in. You know how Twilight failing the test led to a completely different time line? And she failed it because of Rainbow Dash failing to do the Sonic Rainboom? It shows how important Spike is to the story and success of the Mane 6. But at the same time, it is odd to me that Twilight had to perform this specific test in front of Princess Celestia and her own parents as well. It is too specific. Where did they get the egg? Why was it so important that magic was involved to hatch the egg? And after that, Twilight has used Spike as a tool, to keep track of her studies. Like a butler. And yes, Spike is a character from G1, so they had to find a place for him. But he just marks Twilight as being "the special one", instead of making it more interesting for the audience to figure out which pony the show is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinch 1,120 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 @Super Splashee Well, the parents could have been there for encouragement. Although I don't think Celestia was there initially, she showed up after the rainboom in case she needed to be captured by the invading giant dragon. 1 Current project: The Olden World audiobook What's to stop you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 13, 2020 Author Share April 13, 2020 Just now, Quinch said: @Super Splashee Well, the parents could have been there for encouragement. Although I don't think Celestia was there initially, she showed up after the rainboom in case she needed to be captured by the invading giant dragon. I am asking these questions because I will rewatch the entire series from start to finish in a while. And it has always bothered me about how Spike is treated as a born tool, without anyone questioning why. Later in the series when every Mane 6 pony got a pet, you could see that Twilight didn't need one since she already had a Spike by her side...... Oh god, I am getting so horrible. I am not against Spike. And the show's writers have made sure we know Spike has a free will, and want to be Twilight's number 1 assistant. But if you are born to do something, are you really going to question your position? It sounds so easy when you say you have free will, but it might not be that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megas 27,786 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 Most dragons seemed to reject pony culture. Spike was an anomaly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 13, 2020 Author Share April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Megas said: Most dragons seemed to reject pony culture. Spike was an anomaly But did he have a choice? If you were born in a loving and caring pony environment, having a "mother" like Twilight, would you really start asking questions about what is right or wrong for a dragon? And when you finally understand your own culture, trying to justify anything becomes very difficult. Being forced to like something because you were born in a forced environment... He was born without his permission (like anyone really), but his parents were not dragons, and they didn't want him to be a dragon, but a "pony helper" instead. As a child, you cannot protest to what your parents tell you to be or do. I just see this as wrong how they treated Spike, especially when he was an anomaly. He was a result of a single school test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,530 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 Matriarchal society ☑ Non-pone child servants ☑ Incompetent heroes ☑ Shield Bro ☐ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latecomer 439 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 Lifespan of anione suggesting this in the Dragon Lands... about as long as it took me to tipe this sentence. And egg-grabbing poachers probabllu wouldn'v last much longer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinch 1,120 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Super Splashee said: Later in the series when every Mane 6 pony got a pet, you could see that Twilight didn't need one since she already had a Spike by her side...... Oh god, I am getting so horrible. Actually, Twilight had Owloysius as a pet, not Spike. 13 minutes ago, Super Splashee said: He was born without his permission (like anyone really), but his parents were not dragons, and they didn't want him to be a dragon, but a "pony helper" instead. Well, it seems that he was treated more like family by Twilight's parents {though not by Twilight herself} when she and Shining were children, at least that's the vibe I got during Sparkle's Seven. And he is referred to as a "baby dragon" in the pilot, which implies that he had very little age to him at the series' beginning. Though that does make me wonder about his education at that point, since he doesn't seem ignorant and is clearly literate, so I wonder if he was basically homeschooled by Twilight. 1 Current project: The Olden World audiobook What's to stop you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 13, 2020 Author Share April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quinch said: Though that does make me wonder about his education at that point, since he doesn't seem ignorant and is clearly literate, so I wonder if he was basically homeschooled by Twilight. That is really interesting. I didn't even think about that. He needs proper and non-biased education. Having Twilight do the homeschooling might not be the best alternative for non-biased history and religion and stuff like that. Also, ponies didn't know much about the dragons' history or society, as implied in the episode where Spike has to leave the ponies to seek out his own kind. Making education even more biased towards ponies and how they treat non-ponies. Spike thought he was more pony than dragon at one point. Did he do that because Twilight or her family forced that belief upon him at a young age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rarity Gemstones 213 April 13, 2020 Share April 13, 2020 Is not what Twilight partakes in considered indentured child servitude? I do not believe most of Equestria would endorse such a thing. 1 - .... .. ... / .. ... / ----. ----- ----. / .... .- - .-. . -.. / ... . -.-. - --- .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpWit 2,719 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 Perhaps attempting to hatch the dragon egg is like taking the Kobayashi Maru training exercise from Star Trek, in which you're presented with a no win scenario to test your character. She may never have been meant to actually hatch the egg, but rather show a combination of not willing to give up and raw magical output, since some natural ability is required on top of what you've learned. Twilight just so happened to do what was considered impossible which is why it caught Celestia's attention, other than the giant dragon sticking out of the school roof. Twilight would then go on to learn under Celestia's supervision and literally nopony was equipped to raise a dragon, so it was probably made the responsibility of Twilight to deal with since she was the source of the "problem", and would act as a lesson in its own right. While Spike is the butt of many jokes and is clearly overworked on occasions, he generally likes helping others, and you're expected to do your part within a family unit by doing chores and so on as contribution, so that's all he's really doing rather than actual servitude. I doubt anything was really forced upon him beyond taking responsibility for his own actions, and there's nothing wrong with that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latecomer 439 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Rarity Gemstones said: Is not what Twilight partakes in considered indentured child servitude? I do not believe most of Equestria would endorse such a thing. Uou'd think. but no-one ever objects. I wonder if ponies just assume he's older than he looks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Pink One 13,512 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 Because first of all, she didnt just hatched a dragon, she also made her parents into vegetation and turn that baby dragon into a giant dragon, and thus become a candidate for princess hood. And in the comics rasing spike was part of her challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepul-Coloratura 762 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 That's racist. And creepy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 14, 2020 Author Share April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Sepul-Coloratura said: That's racist. And creepy. Are you quoting someone? I just wander what part is considered racist? Creepy = yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latecomer 439 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, Super Splashee said: Are you quoting someone? I just wander what part is considered racist? Creepy = yes! Considering dragons as mere servant material for ponies. It would be like considering ponies a mere snack for dragons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepul-Coloratura 762 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Super Splashee said: Are you quoting someone? I just wander what part is considered racist? Creepy = yes! The reason why it's creepy is because it's racist. As far as I know, dragons and ponies are both intellectual sentient beings, not like dragons to ponies are like dogs to human (duh). The idea of each ponies having a servant based on it's race is racist, but don't let the word 'racist' scare you, it was not a serious comment or relevant to the real world. If the idea of all of them having a pony servant is strange, then having a dragon servant is strange as well. By the way, Spike is like her brother. She took care of him and bonded with him. If someone start to think them as their useful servants, they won't be willing to make that kind of dedication. Also, Spike was a very rare case, I think ponies knew almost nothing about dragons at that point, and Celestia saw sometging really special in Twilight she made her to try the very special test. And even so, if someone tried to approach dragons to reise them as servants, they would be dead. 2 minutes ago, Latecomer said: Considering dragons as mere servant material for ponies. It would be like considering ponies a mere snack for dragons. But... but they are snacks for dragons! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latecomer 439 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sepul-Coloratura said: But... but they are snacks for dragons! Have we ever actuallu seen FIM dragons eatng meat? Mineral, vegatable, but is "animal" even im their preferred diet? Hmm, that could be a thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepul-Coloratura 762 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Latecomer said: Have we ever actuallu seen FIM dragons eatng meat? Mineral, vegatable, but is "animal" even im their preferred diet? Hmm, that could be a thread... Maybe because it's too dark for a kids show? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latecomer 439 April 14, 2020 Share April 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sepul-Coloratura said: Maybe because it's too dark for a kids show? Eating meat is no stranger to kids shows - predation might be, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splashee 28,566 April 14, 2020 Author Share April 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Latecomer said: Eating meat is no stranger to kids shows - predation might be, though. It is too dark for a kids show. It just is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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