TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 24, 2013 Author Share January 24, 2013 Well sir you managed to make me see something positive come out of that episode. kudos He is not that bad when a decent writer's handling him. If not, well then we get idiotic stuff like flying with several times the speed of light or moving a planet. The character lends itself to be written as a Mary Sue. God how much I hate to admit it. Supes can be one heck of a Mary Sue at times... though I still find him a likeable and cool character. He was the character that DEFINDED the definition of the word OP. But that's what happens when you make the worlds first Superhero, hes always gotta be the best because writers like making him the best... which has worked with the whole "best selling comic book franchise of all time" award at around 1.5 BILLION copies sold. So meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB 229 January 25, 2013 Share January 25, 2013 Funny part, Supes really isn't terribly overpowered compared to certain other comic and manga characters. And no, I'm not talking Goku here, he is, much like supes, massively overrated in power. Tenchi Muyo has multiversal threats and a supposedly omnipotent character. "The meaning of life? Humans create their own meaning. They always strive onwards, upwards, to break the limits of their knowledge, the limits of their bodies capacities, and the limits of their technology.We have to take the good with the bad. We created the nuclear bomb, but we also created penicillin." Max Lundgren, Author, 1981 (Translated from Swedish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 25, 2013 Author Share January 25, 2013 Funny part, Supes really isn't terribly overpowered compared to certain other comic and manga characters. And no, I'm not talking Goku here, he is, much like supes, massively overrated in power. Tenchi Muyo has multiversal threats and a supposedly omnipotent character. Fair enough yeah, Superman is NOWHERE near the most OP character ever... Unless your talking about Superman Prime, Sword of Superman, and Cosmic/Thought Armor... THATS definitely OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lawful Jordo~ 2,066 January 25, 2013 Share January 25, 2013 (edited) Alright, let's look at superman's stats: He can deadlift over 6,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons on earth. He is solar powered, meaning his stats go up when exposed to more sunlight. After being exposed to the surface of the sun for fifteen minutes, he was able to deadlift 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons with one hand. He can fly at over 9,400,000,000 km/hr, and take over 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 megatons of force. He has microscopic vision (He is able to find any opponents weak point) and his heat vision can reach tempatures up to the surface of the sun. He is weak against magic, but not totally helpless. At the speed he is going and how hard he can punch, Celestia doesn't stand a chance. I'm sorry, she just doesn't. If the all powerful Goku can't beat him, nobody can. God damn Mary Sue. Edited January 25, 2013 by ~Lawful Jordo~ Signature by Klopp Wonka ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Officially taking Art Requests!: http://mlpforums.com/topic/65291-im-pretty-bored-taking-art-requests-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundershock 310 January 25, 2013 Share January 25, 2013 I think celestia would win.i mean,She has magic and flying and all that.Shes 1,000 years old and can raise the sun.I bet she can beat superman. Sig made by meh ((Find me on Deviantart if you wanna talk to me)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anadu Kune 668 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 God how much I hate to admit it. Supes can be one heck of a Mary Sue at times... though I still find him a likeable and cool character. He was the character that DEFINDED the definition of the word OP. But that's what happens when you make the worlds first Superhero, hes always gotta be the best because writers like making him the best... which has worked with the whole "best selling comic book franchise of all time" award at around 1.5 BILLION copies sold. So meh. Superman only seems OP when taken out of the context of his own world. Within the DC universe there are multiple heroes and villains that can take him on, and even kill him. Here's a short list. Heroes Wonder woman Captain Marvel: Doctor Fate Orion: Martian Manhunter The flash Super Girl Captain Atom Geen Lantern Villains Dooms day Dark Seid General Zod Brainiac Lex Luthor (in power suit) Black Atom Amazo Metallo Mongul(earlier versions) I Know there are many Im missing. These are just off the top of my head. Some of these characters listed above are insane levels of powerful. Dark Seid has an attack called the omega beam. This is a lazer that emits from his eyes that tracks on to you and erases you from the universe. In earlier versions he could move entire planets or solar systems with his mind. I dont think the term Mary Sue should be thrown around as casually as it tends to be. Many seem to equate the term to some one who is really powerful and important. If that is true than most superheroes in general are Mary Sue characters. Any superhero character can(and has) been written poorly, that doesnt make them "mary sue" characters it makes them poorly written characters. Alright, let's look at superman's stats: He can deadlift over 6,600,000,000,000,000,000 tons on earth. He is solar powered, meaning his stats go up when exposed to more sunlight. After being exposed to the surface of the sun for fifteen minutes, he was able to deadlift 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons with one hand. He can fly at over 9,400,000,000 km/hr, and take over 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 megatons of force. He has microscopic vision (He is able to find any opponents weak point) and his heat vision can reach tempatures up to the surface of the sun. He is weak against magic, but not totally helpless. At the speed he is going and how hard he can punch, Celestia doesn't stand a chance. I'm sorry, she just doesn't. If the all powerful Goku can't beat him, nobody can. God damn Mary Sue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA We dont know the full extent of Celestia's powers. It impossible to say who would win. Superman's powers are defined to a T we know what he is capable of. Celestias powers are very ambiguous. We have no clue of the amount of force her magic beam had in the fight with crysalis. We dont have any way of measuring it. Was it the equivalent of a condensed nuclear bomb? Was it condensed solar energy. We don't know the limits of teleportation. Is it instant? Is it limited by distance? What are Celestia's physical limitations? With out specifics we cant say anything except for what superman could do. Also as I stated in my previous post there are many heroes that can and have taken on superman and he has been defeated on numerous ocassions. If having a copious amount of powers makes one a mary sue then almost every super hero is a mary sue including Goku. Mary sue is a term that is thrown around so much that it has seemed to lost its meaning. In my view it is a useless term that seems to be arbitarily used against characters to which the poster doesnt like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMarkz0ne 962 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 Celestia has magic so superman would be weakened by it. I was going to post the death battle up, but someone already posted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 26, 2013 Author Share January 26, 2013 (edited) Superman only seems OP when taken out of the context of his own world. Within the DC universe there are multiple heroes and villains that can take him on, and even kill him. Here's a short list. Heroes Wonder woman Captain Marvel: Doctor Fate Orion: Martian Manhunter The flash Super Girl Captain Atom Geen Lantern Villains Dooms day Dark Seid General Zod Brainiac Lex Luthor (in power suit) Black Atom Amazo Metallo Mongul(earlier versions) I Know there are many Im missing. These are just off the top of my head. Some of these characters listed above are insane levels of powerful. Dark Seid has an attack called the omega beam. This is a lazer that emits from his eyes that tracks on to you and erases you from the universe. In earlier versions he could move entire planets or solar systems with his mind. I dont think the term Mary Sue should be thrown around as casually as it tends to be. Many seem to equate the term to some one who is really powerful and important. If that is true than most superheroes in general are Mary Sue characters. Any superhero character can(and has) been written poorly, that doesnt make them "mary sue" characters it makes them poorly written characters. We dont know the full extent of Celestia's powers. It impossible to say who would win. Superman's powers are defined to a T we know what he is capable of. Celestias powers are very ambiguous. We have no clue of the amount of force her magic beam had in the fight with crysalis. We dont have any way of measuring it. Was it the equivalent of a condensed nuclear bomb? Was it condensed solar energy. We don't know the limits of teleportation. Is it instant? Is it limited by distance? What are Celestia's physical limitations? With out specifics we cant say anything except for what superman could do. Also as I stated in my previous post there are many heroes that can and have taken on superman and he has been defeated on numerous ocassions. If having a copious amount of powers makes one a mary sue then almost every super hero is a mary sue including Goku. Mary sue is a term that is thrown around so much that it has seemed to lost its meaning. In my view it is a useless term that seems to be arbitarily used against characters to which the poster doesnt like. I did rectify that SOMETIMES Superman can be a Mary Sue, which means he seems to perfect. Doesn't have to mean hes totally overpowered just to much of a killjoy If you use the same logic, Goku and Superman is stupid because Gokus power isn't defined either yet the debate is still up. What we can assume is. A.) She can move and lift the Sun, and since the Universe in MLP seems a lot like ours (Twilights Comet explanation and rumors of Moon Colonies made by Luna) its safe to say she can brace the full weight of it. Now... other lesser ponies supposedly, though that could be bullshit. If this is true she can move the force and weight of 1,000,000 earths. Putting her at a SHIT ton more TK strength that Post-Crisis Superman. Since she can do this without strain, she apparently can take the same amount of stress on her body... Unless the Sun isn't as big then... meh. B.) The Magic blast was not Solar Based, it was just a magic blast. And really, yeah we don't know how powerful it was. C) Celestia apparently can teleport anywhere at any time, and from far distances. (Lesson Zero she goes from Ponyville to Canterlot without even looking in the direction) Still besides that, yeah its just a fun match up Celestia has magic so superman would be weakened by it. I was going to post the death battle up, but someone already posted it Superman is NOT WEAKENED BY MAGIC. He is only vulnerable to its affects, and even then it has to be REALLY strong magic. Magic doesn't mean instant KO, ask Captain Marvel and Thor. Edited January 26, 2013 by TheUltimateAvenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie 623 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 (edited) Depends, Pre-rehaul supes or Post-rehaul supes (Edit: Is that what people mean by "Crisis?"). I'm going to assume post, because pre would invent 50 new superpowers every minute then throw his logo at Celestia while turning back time by flying. So we have seen that Celestia can control the sun, Supermans source of power. She also took over for Luna while she was on the moon, so she controls that also. Making it nighttime would certainly help. Supes is vulnerable(Note, I only mean that he is affected, like everything else.) to magic, but Celestia hasn't ever been very helpful. Celestia is no longer in control of the elements, so she couldn't use them. So, I would have to say Superman, but only because he would be overpowered in this universe. He only fits into his own universe. Superman would own her. He has god damn lasers in his eyes! And I don't really know what Celestia could do to hurt him since he can only be hurt by kryptonite. He is also vulnerable to magic. Another weakness of Superman is lack of sun, because he is basically a solar battery, and considering Celestia uses magic and controls the sun and moon, she would be able to harm him considerably. Edited January 26, 2013 by Brosparkles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Fox 5,950 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 (edited) A.) She can move and lift the Sun, and since the Universe in MLP seems a lot like ours (Twilights Comet explanation and rumors of Moon Colonies made by Luna) its safe to say she can brace the full weight of it. Now... other lesser ponies supposedly, though that could be bullshit. If this is true she can move the force and weight of 1,000,000 earths. Putting her at a SHIT ton more TK strength that Post-Crisis Superman. Since she can do this without strain, she apparently can take the same amount of stress on her body... Unless the Sun isn't as big then... meh. B.) The Magic blast was not Solar Based, it was just a magic blast. And really, yeah we don't know how powerful it was. A. Assuming that the MLP Universe is like ours is rather problematic, Twilight's comet discourse not withstanding. After all, we had four stars moving through the sky and impacting on the moon to release Nightmare Moon ("The stars will aid in her escape, and she will bring about night eternal.") So if Twilight's words are used to prove that comets are the same as in real life, they can also be used to prove that stars are NOT the same as in real life. By the same logic, we can't prove that the MLP sun is the same as the MLP stars, and we can't prove that the MLP sun is the same as the real life sun. We can only assume it. Furthermore, even if the sun were to be the same as in real life, she is using magic to move it, not physical strength, so it doesn't follow that her body is capable of handling such forces. (Although it could be said that her telekinesis is that strong, so if she can manage to hit Supes with that, he probably wouldn't be able to resist it. She could push him around like a puppet, no matter how strong he is. He's probably fast enough to avoid it, but he would have to be aware that she had the power in the first place.) B. Again, this rests on one's assumptions. I usually assume it to be some sort of Solar Beam attack, which makes sense to me, since it looks very much like a giant sun beam, and of course, Celestia having the sun motif going on. You're assuming it's just raw magic, which is also a very sensible assumption. If it's the former, hitting him with it is only likely to power him up, whereas if the latter is true, it can probably damage him in the same way any magical attack can. I'm starting to think that maybe Celestia does have the edge here, assuming they know nothing about each other when the fight starts. If she decides to start by trapping him with telekinesis, he probably wouldn't step up into high gear right away, and then it'll be too late. If she decides to blast him first, the whole sunbeam / raw magic comes into play, and that's a 50/50. Then again, a heat vision blast from Supes could melt her... provided she didn't trap him facing away from her and also assuming the eye beam isn't itself solar-based and she isn't immune to sun attacks herself. Sheesh, now I'm even more confused... Edited January 26, 2013 by Full Spectrum Happy minion of The Fabulous One! Signature by Midnightive Check out my blog! https://mlpforums.com/blog/1083-sunny-side-den/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluttershy_babe 53 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 I bet Celestia would win. It's magic, she will take him down. But they are both on the good side..... but if they weren't, Celestia would win for sure. Signature by Lugia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZLTavs 87 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 Superman draws his power from the yellow sun. Princess Celestia controls the yellow sun. Celestia can use magic and teleport. Superman flies faster. Overall Celestia would just banish him into the moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lawful Jordo~ 2,066 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 Superman draws his power from the yellow sun. Princess Celestia controls the yellow sun. Celestia can use magic and teleport. Superman flies faster. Overall Celestia would just banish him into the moon The rest of your post brings up solid points in Celestia's favor, though I'm pretty sure banishing him to the moon wouldn't accomplish anything. Supes can breath in space, and visits space all the time. Teleporting him to the moon would be a bad thing actually, because he would be closer to the sun (Unless it was the dark side of the moon) Signature by Klopp Wonka ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Officially taking Art Requests!: http://mlpforums.com/topic/65291-im-pretty-bored-taking-art-requests-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZLTavs 87 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 The rest of your post brings up solid points in Celestia's favor, though I'm pretty sure banishing him to the moon wouldn't accomplish anything. Supes can breath in space, and visits space all the time. Teleporting him to the moon would be a bad thing actually, because he would be closer to the sun (Unless it was the dark side of the moon) She actually banished Luna IN THE MOON That's right IN the moon. Common fanbase misconception is that she was running on the surface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Lawful Jordo~ 2,066 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 She actually banished Luna IN THE MOON That's right IN the moon. Common fanbase misconception is that she was running on the surface. Even still, I'm pretty sure a character like superman could just destroy the moon if he was inside it. He does t lose his powers instantly when he's away from sunlight. Signature by Klopp Wonka ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Officially taking Art Requests!: http://mlpforums.com/topic/65291-im-pretty-bored-taking-art-requests-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Fox 5,950 January 26, 2013 Share January 26, 2013 She actually banished Luna IN THE MOON That's right IN the moon. Common fanbase misconception is that she was running on the surface. Hear, hear! Someone else who gets it! The opening narration uses the term "sealed into the moon", so she was not running around on the surface (as you mentioned) and not physically inside it, either. It was more like her magical essence was trapped there. She didn't have a physical body at the time, she was busy doing a "Man/Rabbit in the Moon" impression. She also seemed to have some sense of the passage of time, since she mentions she was sealed away for 1000 years. Although the details are unclear, so I could be wrong as well. Happy minion of The Fabulous One! Signature by Midnightive Check out my blog! https://mlpforums.com/blog/1083-sunny-side-den/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB 229 January 28, 2013 Share January 28, 2013 If the all powerful Goku can't beat him, nobody can. Here's an anime character that could beat Goku: Faster and more destructive. Superman would beat her. Goku would also lose horribly against: Najimi Ajimu, with her 12,858,051,967,633,865 different abilities, which include: -Death To Sky: Sky governing skill. -Sky Through: Vacuum governing skill. -Sun Sloshing: Sun governing skill. -Graviton: Gravity governing skill. -Spec Over: Become God skill. -Tired Play: Become the Devil skill. -Manual Memory: Know every answer skill. -Humor Contrast: Be stronger than the enemy skill. -Time Bunny: Manipulate time skill. -Complete Jungle: Control everything skill. -I Banish: Erase skill. "The meaning of life? Humans create their own meaning. They always strive onwards, upwards, to break the limits of their knowledge, the limits of their bodies capacities, and the limits of their technology.We have to take the good with the bad. We created the nuclear bomb, but we also created penicillin." Max Lundgren, Author, 1981 (Translated from Swedish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix237 353 January 29, 2013 Share January 29, 2013 (edited) A. Assuming that the MLP Universe is like ours is rather problematic, Twilight's comet discourse not withstanding. After all, we had four stars moving through the sky and impacting on the moon to release Nightmare Moon ("The stars will aid in her escape, and she will bring about night eternal.") So if Twilight's words are used to prove that comets are the same as in real life, they can also be used to prove that stars are NOT the same as in real life. By the same logic, we can't prove that the MLP sun is the same as the MLP stars, and we can't prove that the MLP sun is the same as the real life sun. We can only assume it. Furthermore, even if the sun were to be the same as in real life, she is using magic to move it, not physical strength, so it doesn't follow that her body is capable of handling such forces. (Although it could be said that her telekinesis is that strong, so if she can manage to hit Supes with that, he probably wouldn't be able to resist it. She could push him around like a puppet, no matter how strong he is. He's probably fast enough to avoid it, but he would have to be aware that she had the power in the first place.) B. Again, this rests on one's assumptions. I usually assume it to be some sort of Solar Beam attack, which makes sense to me, since it looks very much like a giant sun beam, and of course, Celestia having the sun motif going on. You're assuming it's just raw magic, which is also a very sensible assumption. If it's the former, hitting him with it is only likely to power him up, whereas if the latter is true, it can probably damage him in the same way any magical attack can. I'm starting to think that maybe Celestia does have the edge here, assuming they know nothing about each other when the fight starts. If she decides to start by trapping him with telekinesis, he probably wouldn't step up into high gear right away, and then it'll be too late. If she decides to blast him first, the whole sunbeam / raw magic comes into play, and that's a 50/50. Then again, a heat vision blast from Supes could melt her... provided she didn't trap him facing away from her and also assuming the eye beam isn't itself solar-based and she isn't immune to sun attacks herself. Sheesh, now I'm even more confused... By the way I did a post in this fourm that explains everything better, but I wanted to explain something that you mentioned. A) okay yes, we don't know if sun works the same way as I does in the real world. For the analysis I did I assumed it did work sorta the same as the real world. These are two points I made on an earlier post which was used by someone else in this fourm, with my permission. •Princess Celestia can raise the sun. Why is this relevant? Because this determines how much her MAGIC, not her physical strength, her magic can lift. The sun weighs 1.9891 ×1030 kg or about 332,946 Earths. This determines her max lifting Abilites of her magic. •Durability is something we have to take into account. When Twilight lifted all those things in the episode "Boast Busters" we saw she was tireing out and that the ground below her was getting pushed down. This means that a force was acting against her pushing her down while lifting te heavy objects. While this happend her body didn't collaps by the force. According to physics she would have to handle the pressure of the wieght of the objects she carried. This means that in theory to lift heavy objects with magic one must be able to hadle the pressure of that said object. Since princess Celestia can raise the sun with ease she can withstand 1.9891 ×1030 kg of pressure B ) okay yes we don't know if the beam is a solar beam or not. If it isn't then there isn't a need to discuss. But let's say it's magic in origin. Because the solar energy is magic in origin then the blast will hurt Superman. Now if the sun that Celestia raises is magic then we have a problem. A magic sun does something crazy to Superman. Superman once went to a future with a magic sun. The results is that he had his old powers, except that they were now magic based. This also gave him some new powers such as making a magic beam, and gave him some magic immunities. If the sun Celestia rises is in fact magic, the she will fight a magic charged superman with some magic durability. Now if the sun isn't magic then that's another thing. If the solar beam stricks superman, and the sun isn't magic then the two solar energies would collide. Superman would momentarily lose some power, only to get it back againe. This is something that superman would have to look out for. Now about telekinesis, Superman has fought powerful enemies with this power an won, so he has experience on how to get out of a trap like this. If you have more questions please feel free to ask. Edited January 29, 2013 by Phoenix237 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 30, 2013 Author Share January 30, 2013 Hear, hear! Someone else who gets it! The opening narration uses the term "sealed into the moon", so she was not running around on the surface (as you mentioned) and not physically inside it, either. It was more like her magical essence was trapped there. She didn't have a physical body at the time, she was busy doing a "Man/Rabbit in the Moon" impression. She also seemed to have some sense of the passage of time, since she mentions she was sealed away for 1000 years. Although the details are unclear, so I could be wrong as well. I thought only the elements of harmony could seal Hear, hear! Someone else who gets it! The opening narration uses the term "sealed into the moon", so she was not running around on the surface (as you mentioned) and not physically inside it, either. It was more like her magical essence was trapped there. She didn't have a physical body at the time, she was busy doing a "Man/Rabbit in the Moon" impression. She also seemed to have some sense of the passage of time, since she mentions she was sealed away for 1000 years. Although the details are unclear, so I could be wrong as well. I don't know, for one wasn't it only the Elements of Harmony that did that. And even then, Supermans busted Magical Moons before... when pissed and building up speed. Mind you, he's gotten stronger since than. So its likely he could survive it. Problem is he has to accelerate, and get his body back together. But if he can generate his molecules fast enough, he could bust himself out. And transporting him to a MAGIC sun... oh that's a BAAAAAD idea. Depends, Pre-rehaul supes or Post-rehaul supes (Edit: Is that what people mean by "Crisis?"). I'm going to assume post, because pre would invent 50 new superpowers every minute then throw his logo at Celestia while turning back time by flying. So we have seen that Celestia can control the sun, Supermans source of power. She also took over for Luna while she was on the moon, so she controls that also. Making it nighttime would certainly help. Supes is vulnerable(Note, I only mean that he is affected, like everything else.) to magic, but Celestia hasn't ever been very helpful. Celestia is no longer in control of the elements, so she couldn't use them. So, I would have to say Superman, but only because he would be overpowered in this universe. He only fits into his own universe. He is also vulnerable to magic. Another weakness of Superman is lack of sun, because he is basically a solar battery, and considering Celestia uses magic and controls the sun and moon, she would be able to harm him considerably. The reason I say "Post or Pre Crisis" is because of the event, Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was an event that erased the old Megaverse of DC (Yeah it took TRILLIONS of Universes collapsing to end Pre-Crisis Superman... and he still managed to get out until the last issue and last panel) to the new DC Universe (later Multiverse) so Pre-COIE and Post-COIE... but Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis sounds better. And no im not using Super "I can destroy the Multiverse by flying faster than infinity" Man.. im not kidding about that either http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/3388/277699-dccp29_05infinity_super.jpg..YEAAAAAAAH THAT HAPPENED But the fight is still really "iffy" in Post-Crisis because of the debatable appearance of Celestias "power" and even then Supermans faced and defeated some on her level before magic and all, Besides Her, Luna, Alicorn Twilight (if shes supposedly as powerful as she seems to be) or Discord stand ANY chance against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Bros. Jr. 9 January 30, 2013 Share January 30, 2013 In all honesty superman would probably win. Sure Celestia has magic, but the only time we saw her use it for offense is when we saw that beam struggle we got with Chrysalis. Plus superman would be much too fast for her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 30, 2013 Author Share January 30, 2013 Here's an anime character that could beat Goku Najimi Ajimu, with her 12,858,051,967,633,865 different abilities, which include: -Death To Sky: Sky governing skill. -Sky Through: Vacuum governing skill. -Sun Sloshing: Sun governing skill. -Graviton: Gravity governing skill. -Spec Over: Become God skill. -Tired Play: Become the Devil skill. -Manual Memory: Know every answer skill. -Humor Contrast: Be stronger than the enemy skill. -Time Bunny: Manipulate time skill. -Complete Jungle: Control everything skill. -I Banish: Erase skill. Meh... Pre-Crisis Superman would just invent Anti-Everything except him Vision and defeat her in an instant. And even if she invents the ability to get as powerful as him, he would invent a power to do the same... and endless cycle and endless cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWB 229 January 30, 2013 Share January 30, 2013 XD yeah. Pre-Crisis Superman's actuaal power is "Getting new powers as the plot demands". And given the MLP meaning of plot... the classic trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull fits darn well. "The meaning of life? Humans create their own meaning. They always strive onwards, upwards, to break the limits of their knowledge, the limits of their bodies capacities, and the limits of their technology.We have to take the good with the bad. We created the nuclear bomb, but we also created penicillin." Max Lundgren, Author, 1981 (Translated from Swedish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateAvenger 16 January 30, 2013 Author Share January 30, 2013 XD yeah. Pre-Crisis Superman's actuaal power is "Getting new powers as the plot demands". And given the MLP meaning of plot... the classic trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull fits darn well. WRONG Pre-Crisis Supermans powers are just if the writers of DC were like "why don't we create the most over the top character of all time, BUT make it out of a well known Superhero because then people who consider it a complete cop out and then see how well it sells"... and surprisingly... it sold a LOTTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krouton 13 January 31, 2013 Share January 31, 2013 I would say Superman would win, but it depends on "which" one of him you compare. Pre-crisis Superman is OP and no one should be able to defeat him, considering he had any powers the writers could come up with and had only one weakness, kryponite. With risistance to magic unlike future generations, Celestia wouldn't really have any advantage, and Superman with all his infinite powers can papowee her. Now if your talking of later, more reasonably Superman generations, Celestia would have way more of a chance of beating him, since he lacks risistance to magic. But Superman is so fast and has so many abilities n' stuff, it would we be quite a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Fox 5,950 January 31, 2013 Share January 31, 2013 By the way I did a post in this fourm that explains everything better, but I wanted to explain something that you mentioned. A) okay yes, we don't know if sun works the same way as I does in the real world. For the analysis I did I assumed it did work sorta the same as the real world. These are two points I made on an earlier post which was used by someone else in this fourm, with my permission. •Princess Celestia can raise the sun. Why is this relevant? Because this determines how much her MAGIC, not her physical strength, her magic can lift. The sun weighs 1.9891 ×1030 kg or about 332,946 Earths. This determines her max lifting Abilites of her magic. •Durability is something we have to take into account. When Twilight lifted all those things in the episode "Boast Busters" we saw she was tireing out and that the ground below her was getting pushed down. This means that a force was acting against her pushing her down while lifting te heavy objects. While this happend her body didn't collaps by the force. According to physics she would have to handle the pressure of the wieght of the objects she carried. This means that in theory to lift heavy objects with magic one must be able to hadle the pressure of that said object. Since princess Celestia can raise the sun with ease she can withstand 1.9891 ×1030 kg of pressure B ) okay yes we don't know if the beam is a solar beam or not. If it isn't then there isn't a need to discuss. But let's say it's magic in origin. Because the solar energy is magic in origin then the blast will hurt Superman. Now if the sun that Celestia raises is magic then we have a problem. A magic sun does something crazy to Superman. Superman once went to a future with a magic sun. The results is that he had his old powers, except that they were now magic based. This also gave him some new powers such as making a magic beam, and gave him some magic immunities. If the sun Celestia rises is in fact magic, the she will fight a magic charged superman with some magic durability. Now if the sun isn't magic then that's another thing. If the solar beam stricks superman, and the sun isn't magic then the two solar energies would collide. Superman would momentarily lose some power, only to get it back againe. This is something that superman would have to look out for. Now about telekinesis, Superman has fought powerful enemies with this power an won, so he has experience on how to get out of a trap like this. If you have more questions please feel free to ask. What I really have a problem with (and this is what I have consistently pointed out) is the assumption that Equestria physics is equivalent to real life physics. Given that assumption, your argument is very logical and convincing. Kudos to you for noticing Twilight being pushed down into the ground when using her magic to lift the water tower. As for the assumption itself, unfortunately, it's very very often contradicted by what happens in the show, which if anything runs on cartoon physics (Fluttershy flattening herself against her door, Winona becoming a pan-dog, half of what Pinkie does ever) Not to mention the Sonic Rainboom is heard before it is seen, impossible with real world physics. (But what if the Sonic Rainboom is magic? See below) Pegasus ponies themselves are an affront to all real world principles of aviation, aerodynamics and physics. You simply can't slap (relatively small) wings on a horse and have it fly and hover, particularly not with the slow beating of wings that pegasus ponies show. Personally, I consider their flight (and other abilities) to be magical rather than physical in nature, which then breaks the connection between physics and magic in any case. Another point to consider. If the sun of Equestria is assumed to be equivalent to our sun, then it surely has to rise the same way i.e. it doesn't. If you're making that assumption, then you have to assume that Celestia is rotating the planet rather than moving the sun, so that would be the known limit of her magical strength. Superman has pulled Earth out of it's orbit before (I think it was even Post-Crisis, but I will admit that I don't have all the details) which would seem to me to require greater strength than turning it. And he definitely can destroy a planet like Earth if he wanted to, so he could destroy Celestia's body too. Happy minion of The Fabulous One! Signature by Midnightive Check out my blog! https://mlpforums.com/blog/1083-sunny-side-den/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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