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[Steel Accord 6,660]

You can't prove the existence of God because babies are made. Walking on the moon and having empathy does not mean that God is true.

 

As for the rest of the responses: I'm trying to multitask here so I can't really respond right now. Sorry.

 

No you can't prove there's a connection through thinks like "signals leaked from another dimension at the moment of conception" but if Jesus defined His teachings, above all, through unconditional love, than by His example, love is divine. So other human endeavors could be considered likewise "in God's image."

 

Two questions though: again I'll repost what I asked earlier.

 

 

@@Knight Hadron,

 

Before I go on. Answer me this. Are these your words? I feel like these are arguments you've had bashed into your head so often you've internalized them. 

 

 

And two, are you truly looking for a reason to believe or are you convinced there is no God?

[Knight Hadron 372]

No you can't prove there's a connection through thinks like "signals leaked from another dimension at the moment of conception" but if Jesus defined His teachings, above all, through unconditional love, than by His example, love is divine. So other human endeavors could be considered likewise "in God's image."

 

Two questions though: again I'll repost what I asked earlier.

 

 

 

And two, are you truly looking for a reason to believe or are you convinced there is no God?

Those are my words and thoughts. Either I am taking a particular stance to play the devil's advocate, or I actually believe what I am saying. Those lines blur very quickly. I'm trying to convince myself that the faith I was raised in is logical and reasonable, and I'm having trouble with that.

 

For your argument: I'll distill it for you. This is what I think you are saying: Jesus said love is divine. Babies are created through love. Creation of babies is divine. Therefore, baby creation is supernatural. Therefore, God is proven every time babies are created. However, you assume that God is true, because you assume that Jesus' saying is absolute truth. Am I interpreting you wrong?

[Royal Bro-nee 36]

Well guys im tired, im gonna relax for a while (Didn't know how to delete this post so im just editing) ill talk to all of you later.

Edited August 11, 2015 by jeremiahs64

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Yeah..What are you trying to tell us Knight? What are you trying to say?

Yeah..What are you trying to tell us Knight? What are you trying to say?

 

He's not trying to "tell" us anything. He's having a crisis of faith and needs our help. (He said this himself.)

[Royal Bro-nee 36]

He's not trying to "tell" us anything. He's having a crisis of faith and needs our help. (He said this himself.)

Again..im sorry for the little glitch with my sentences there XD

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Again..im sorry for the little glitch with my sentences there XD

 

No worries but I would recommend removing or changing your post. Knight doesn't need to feel like he's being put on trial right now.

[Royal Bro-nee 36]

No worries but I would recommend removing or changing your post. Knight doesn't need to feel like he's being put on trial right now.

Hm... yeah maybe your right. Im sorry xD

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Hm... yeah maybe your right. Im sorry xD

 

No apologies needed, you didn't know the context. Just please do so before he sees it.

[Sunwalker 981]

Guys..im just really having a hard time understanding atheist people.. I mean...they believe that when they die there will be no afterlife but..wouldn't it be better to be in heaven then just see nothing but pitch black forever?

The idea behind Eternal Oblivion is not that you see "pitch black", it is that you feel nothing. It is supposed to be complete absence of any sensation, like sleeping without dreams except one will never wake up again.

 

Is it better than Eternal Life? Just ceasing to exist would mean that all your experiences and memories will be permanently erased from you, making everything you lived ultimately pointless. There is the legacy you leave behind to other people, but those are also going to die too. It would also mean that you would never see again any loved ones who passed away.

 

For me, this sounds terrible. But if someone for whatever reason thinks that there is nothing after death, it is not thinking if this is better or worse that is going to change a reality. How someone copes with this idea varies from person from person. Some ends up accepting fine, while others end up terribly scared to the point of even being afraid to sleep, and anything in-between. Here are some threads on the subject I found on this forum:

• What are your feelings on death/oblivion?
• If there is no life after death....Isn't life meaningless

By the way, for the sake of curiosity, the first thread was the very first thing I saw from this forum. I got there when I was searching about the subject on Google. I am also curious to see how atheists cope with the idea of oblivion .

 

 

I just don't understand why atheists have to be rude to god like this. I know God says not to judge and things like that but I just don't understand...can someone help me understand? I mean..isn't being an atheist turning your back on God?

 

Not all of them are rude. But for those who are there are two primary reasons I noticed.

 

The most common one is that they had some negative experience with religion. For example, their parents could have forced them into some faith, or they were mistreated by some religious people. Growing up in a place where there are many fanatics does not help, and also some of them are former members of some fundamentalist group.

 

Another reason is pride combined with frustration. They are not capable of understanding why many people still believe in God, even though they are so sure that He does not exist. If they are not humble, they might end up thinking that are better and smarter than othe others, and end up being condescending with them.

 

 

And...do atheist believe that since "theres no god" meaning they can do whatever they want? such as sinful things? I know there are nice people who are atheist but still.. its hurting my head trying to figure out what their deal is. >_<

 

The irony here is that atheists can be moral because of God. It was Him who imprinted on people's heart the Moral Law, and without God there would not be objective morality (note to self: I still need to get back to the morality thread on the Debate Pit...).

 

Some atheists explain morals as a byproduct of evolution, that came to be because they were biologically advantageous. Others try to explain morals on the basis of the necessity of guarantee well-being and survival. There are also those who just follow their heart, without worrying why morals are in the way they are.

 

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But, when did God's image move into humans in the evolutionary process? When did Adam sin?

One can say here that when the human body got complex enough to host a soul that is in the likeness of God; capable to hold intellect, free will, and self-awareness; then God created the human soul and breathed it into the body.

 

Original Sin is the rebellion of the first two human beings against the Creator, they wanted to be like God but without God. This can have happened through many different means, personally I find that the apple story is just an allegory to tell about the rebellion. It does not have to necessarily be this way, he apple can be a symbol for lust (cut an apple in the half, look at it frontally, then see if it remembers you about something).

[Knight Hadron 372]

 apple can be a symbol for lust

 

Great post Sunwalker. However, I am wondering if you believe that the Apple family can control their sexual emotions. Please enlighten me to your thoughts.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Great post Sunwalker. However, I am wondering if you believe that the Apple family can control their sexual emotions. Please enlighten me to your thoughts.

 

I'm not Sunwalker obviously but . . . the who?

[Knight Hadron 372]

I'm not Sunwalker obviously but . . . the who?

Apple family? Applejack, Big mac, etc.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Those are my words and thoughts. Either I am taking a particular stance to play the devil's advocate, or I actually believe what I am saying. Those lines blur very quickly. I'm trying to convince myself that the faith I was raised in is logical and reasonable, and I'm having trouble with that.

 

For your argument: I'll distill it for you. This is what I think you are saying: Jesus said love is divine. Babies are created through love. Creation of babies is divine. Therefore, baby creation is supernatural. Therefore, God is proven every time babies are created. However, you assume that God is true, because you assume that Jesus' saying is absolute truth. Am I interpreting you wrong?

 

My faith is rooted in Jesus so yes, I interpret His teachings as being my moral center. Am I going to have this turned back on me in response? 

 

One thing I like to elucidate upon is just WHY I worship Jesus. Consider, His time in the garden. He asked His disciples to stay awake with Him and none did. He prayed, "please, take this cup from me!" Jesus was afraid, as any of us would be if we knew people were coming to arrest us and take us to our likely or certain death. When the authorities came, Jesus could have waved His hand and said,

 

"I am not the Christ you're looking for." They would have left . . . . but He didn't.

 

He knew what He had to do. The night before His death, when everyone had seemingly abandoned and denied Him, after everything He taught them, did for them, and was about to do for them. Jesus could hardly be blamed to say, "you know what? Screw this and screw all of you, you deserve to be damned!" The wall of His cell would have blown up and Jesus could've marched off to an opium den . . . but He didn't.

 

The fact that Jesus could have averted His suffering, that He was in the very human and understandable position of thinking He'd be in the right to damn those who would kill one who only offered peace, yet still chose to save us is why I choose to worship Him.

 

I have faith in God . . . because He had faith in me. 

Edited August 11, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Sudo Krenton 243]

...............what? I'm so confused now x'D I understood what you meant by Apple family, but I fail to see how this falls into the discussion.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Apple family? Applejack, Big mac, etc.

 

Ohhhh I thought you meant like Steve Jobs' family or something. 

 

Never heard that theory actually. I mean Big Mac was clearly under the effects of the Love Poison so it's not like he had some power to resist it where another pony couldn't.

...............what? I'm so confused now x'D I understood what you meant by Apple family, but I fail to see how this falls into the discussion.

@@Knight Hadron, 

 

Ehhh a little deviation never hurt anypony. Besides we need it after heavy stuff like this.

Edited August 11, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Knight Hadron 372]

My faith is rooted in Jesus so yes, I interpret His teachings as being my moral center. Am I going to have this turned back on my in response? 

 

One thing I like to elucidate upon is just WHY I worship Jesus. Consider, His time in the garden. He asked His disciples to stay awake with Him and none did. He prayed, "please, take this cup from me!" Jesus was afraid, as any of us would be if we knew people were coming to arrest us and take us to our likely or certain death. When the authorities came, Jesus could have waved His hand and said,

 

"I am not the Christ you're looking for." They would have left . . . . but He didn't.

 

He knew what He had to do. The night before His death, when everyone had seemingly abandoned and denied Him, after everything He taught them, did for them, and was about to do for them. Jesus could hardly be blamed to say, "you know what? Screw this and screw all of you, you deserve to be damned!" The wall of His cell would have blown up and Jesus could've marched off to an opium den . . . but He didn't.

 

The fact that Jesus could have averted His suffering, that He was in the very human and understandable position of thinking He'd be in the right to damn those who would kill one who only offered peace, yet still chose to save us is why I choose to worship Him.

 

I have faith in God . . . because He had faith in me. 

Your post does nothing to prove anything.

 

 

...............what? I'm so confused now x'D I understood what you meant by Apple family, but I fail to see how this falls into the discussion.

 

Ohhhh I thought you meant like Steve Jobs' family or something. 

 

Never heard that theory actually. I mean Big Mac was clearly under the effects of the Love Poison so it's not like he had some power to resist it where another pony couldn't.

@@Knight Hadron, 

 

Ehhh a little deviation never hurt anypony. Besides we need it after heavy stuff like this.

I was joking. Sudo said that apples are a symbol of lust. So, is the apple family (AJ, AB, GS, BM, BS, AO, UO) subject to more lust than the rest of ponies? It was a joke, not a "fan theory" or something. Brohoof to anyone who figures out my apple family initials.

[Sunwalker 981]

Great post Sunwalker. However, I am wondering if you believe that the Apple family can control their sexual emotions. Please enlighten me to your thoughts.

A symbol is a representation of something else, you cannot confound the meaning of what the symbol is supposed to represent with the physical symbol itself. This would taking a metaphor literally.

 

An apple as an apples is completely fine by itself, the sin here is the lust. Here I am parting from the assumption that Adam and Eve's story is just a metaphor for the real thing, how the Original Sin actually happened is unknown.

 

The Apple family wants you to know that they are relieved .

 

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Kinda something I was thinking of while I was painting walls today. Is morality alone it's proof of God's existence? Let's consider that the Big Bang occurred. Now we've got Earth and all that jazz, whoopdedoo. Now what? Lightning hits the pond of life, or something, and now we have creatures. Evolution happens. But how does man get morals, yet all the other animals he has evolved with don't, nor show signs of the coming of morals? It might suggest that humans were "awakened" at some point (Eden), and.... I dunno. Thoughts?

From the consequences you can infer the attributes of the possible cause, and the existence of morality is indeed used as an argument for the existence of God, this is called the "Moral Argument". C. S. Lewis talked about it on the book Mere Christianity.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

 

 

Your post does nothing to prove anything.

 

It . . . wasn't mean to.    I was just explaining my stance.

 

 

(AJ, AB, GS, BM, BS, AO, UO)

 

Applejack, Apple Bloom, Granny Smith, Big Mac, Babs Seed, Aunt Orange, Uncle Orange. 

[Knight Hadron 372]

It . . . wasn't mean to.    I was just explaining my stance.

You gave an argument, I distilled your argument and showed a logical flaw in it, you said that Jesus did great things, and supposedly thought that was a "explanation". Huh?

 

Applejack, Apple Bloom, Granny Smith, Big Mac, Babs Seed, Aunt Orange, Uncle Orange. 

Brohoof. I thought the Oranges would be hard. I'm wrong. People here spend too much time on the show.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

You gave an argument, I distilled your argument and showed a logical flaw in it, you said that Jesus did great things, and supposedly thought that was a "explanation". Huh?

 

That las post wasn't an argument, I was just sharing my reason for choosing to believe in Jesus.

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[I used to be a stranger 7,993]

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[Knight Hadron 372]

That las post wasn't an argument, I was just sharing my reason for choosing the believe in Jesus.

But you give no reason to believe in Jesus. You just say that the Bible says he did things that were good.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

But you give no reason to believe in Jesus. You just say that the Bible says he did things that were good.

 

I gave you my reason that I believe in Jesus. That He was God in human form, and despite the world hating and forsaking Him, He still believed humanity was worth the pain and death.

 

When someone chooses to believe in you that much, you don't feel the slightest bit moved?

 

@@Blue,

 

You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about the invention of farming and primitive civilization as being stagnation, I'm talking about "the Garden of Eden as man before evolving sapience" stagnation. 

Edited August 11, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Knight Hadron 372]

I gave you my reason that I believe in Jesus. That He was God in human form, and despite the world hating and forsaking Him, He still believed humanity was worth the pain and death.

 

When someone chooses to believe in you that much, you don't feel the slightest bit moved?

But you haven't proved that Jesus actually existed and walked on Earth and said what he did and did what he did and was God and so on. If the Bible is true, then of course Jesus is true and is believable. But I'm not going to believe something because some book says so. Prove the book is true, prove that Jesus is true, and then your argument makes perfect logical sense. Until then, I could make the same argument for any other religion. Feeling does not dictate proof.

[Sudo Krenton 243]

"But you haven't proved that Jesus actually existed and walked on Earth and said what he did and did what he did and was God and so on."

 

There are multiple accounts of historical evidence that a person we know as Jesus existed during the timeline of the Bible.