Why Twilicorn Works: Insight on the Supporting Side

[Dolphanatic 298]

I think that Twilight Sparkle looks pretty as an alicorn because she is now a princess! All hail Princess Twilight Sparkle!

I beg to differ. I think those "pretty princess wings" look out of place on Twilight. Why? Well first of all, I hate the whole Twilight turning into an alicorn idea to begin with. It's racist, cheesy, unnecessarily overpowering, and pointless. I say racist because only unicorns can achieve royalty. I call it cheesy because it ruins tons of long-established canon by making Twilight's "true destiny" nothing more than just becoming yet another alicorn princess (there are now four alicorns where there should only be two). Forget the idea that Twilight was mysteriously powerful and unique, now her strong magical abilities are nothing more than the fact that she's an alicorn. I believe it's unnecessarily overpowering because unless you've been living under a rock, you should have noticed that recently it's been all about Twilight Sparkle: Twilight Sparkle this... ...Twilight Sparkle that... ...Twilight Sparkle... ...Twilight Sparkle... ...Twilight Sparkle. Nevermind that she has friends, it's basically become the "Twilight Sparkle Does Cool Stuff Show". May I remind you that her friends should have a say in this too? They're the real reason behind Twilight's magic.

 

As for the appearance, It feels overdone, to say the least. Let me explain. First off, her new wings are HUGE; at least twice the length of the rest of her body combined.... ....And yet they will simply fold up to be the same size as Fluttershy's. It makes no sense! I know it's a cartoon, but still. Second, it's obvious that the wings were added on later; they bounce up and down akwardly at a totally different rythm from the rest of her (especially when walking). On the same note, the height of her wings will vary slightly. Sometimes they're at her head level, other times they extend much higher. Sometimes they can reach only slightly horizontally, while at other times they triple her body's width. As I have mentioned many times earlier, It ruins her iconic humble caricature; she used to look small and defenseless against enemies. Now with those flamboyant alicorn wings, it makes her seem invincible. It also makes the Mane Six considerably less iconic, with two earth ponies, two pegasi, one unicorn, and a big hunkin' alicorn smack-dab in the middle.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Dolphanatic

[Smitty91 57]

Source; tvtropes.org 

 

According to some reviewers on YouTube, a LOT of fans of the show have been complaining about Twilight Sparkle becoming an alicorn. I'm not entirely sure, but I think some people have even said this change was completely out of the blue and some feel it will forever ruin the show. According to one video, some people were even claiming that they would leave the fandom because of this. I'm hoping that these points made will help clear things up and hopefully will allow this controversy to make more sense. 

The points made here are not mine, but rather belong to the original author, though some of them have been paraphrased. 

 

 

* Twilight is a member of a higher-class noble family. The school she was trying to enter was very exclusive. She and her family lived in the capitol of Canterlot, which is filled to the brim with elites.

Her brother marriedCadence, a Princess. Before that, he was the Captain of Canterlot's Royal Guard, charged with protecting Celestia herself!

 

* Twilight's power levels are shown to be as high as Luna's or Celestia, in spite of Red Mages being traditionally weaker than those who specialize in a particular magic. Celestia herself was impressed by Twilight's raw power even when she was a filly.

 

* Twilight's Element, The Element of Magic, has always been worn as a tiara rather than a necklace like the others.

 

* Twilight became Celestia's favorite student. The reason for this appears to be Celestia grooming Twilight for the role.

 

* She became Ponyville's reasonable authority figure and the one to ultimately solve problems like Trixie and the Pinkie Pie clones.

 

* Speaking of the clones, Twilight had to make a tough decision and she had to make it fast. She knew that there was a chance that she would kill the real Pinkie by mistake, but she had to do something. Having to make tough decisions is part of being a leader.

 

* Twilight's cutie mark symbolizes magic, but it also resembles a very stylized star- which goes together with the sun and moon, both clearly visible celestial bodies. Perhaps there were always supposed to be three princesses ruling Equestria, and in-universe, Celestia leading alone (until Luna returned) was a temporary thing that everyone assumed wouldn't last.

 

* "Magic Duel" had Twilight taking on other responsibilities, like welcoming the delegates of Saddle Arabia. Other responsibilities of being a princess. (Or other forms of royalty or world leader, for that matter.)

 

 

[Veylon 255]

I always figured Celestia latched on to Twilight as a student so that the power she demonstrated would be used for Equestria rather than against it (shades of Sombra). And because, well, Twilight's more than a little insane under pressure. Keeping a close eye on her so she didn't get out of control was probably a good idea.

 

The whole scenario of dumping her off in Ponyville in hopes of defeating Nightmare Moon in just the right way always struck me as quite the gamble. But then Celestia's a leader and gambling with everyone's lives is what leaders do.

 

I also tend to view the alicornizing of Twilight as something that was innate to her; it was never up to Celestia to decide whether or not she got to be one. I'm sure Celestia can decide who can be a Princess, but the two aren't quite the same thing.

 

I really haven't seen Twilight given much in the way of responsibility. She studies a lot, and on the side hangs out with her friends. Celestia calls her up for a crisis, but there's none of the day to day stuff. To be sure, she chooses to pick up responsibilities on her own, but nobody told her to do them. Which is fine; Twilight's scholarly skills would be wasted on politics or bureaucracy and it's probably better for her growth if she's doing good things by choice rather than being ordered to.

 

As far as I can tell, most people are upset about the alicornizing because it separates her from her friends in several different ways, whereas I always expected her eventually leave and go do whatever Celestia's been training her for. Or at least graduate and pick up a career. I hadn't thought metamorphosis and ascension to royalty were in the cards, but they're pretty much the same thing.

[bladereaper07 42]

 

Source; tvtropes.org 

 

According to some reviewers on YouTube, a LOT of fans of the show have been complaining about Twilight Sparkle becoming an alicorn. I'm not entirely sure, but I think some people have even said this change was completely out of the blue and some feel it will forever ruin the show. According to one video, some people were even claiming that they would leave the fandom because of this. I'm hoping that these points made will help clear things up and hopefully will allow this controversy to make more sense. 

The points made here are not mine, but rather belong to the original author, though some of them have been paraphrased. 

 

 

* Twilight is a member of a higher-class noble family. The school she was trying to enter was very exclusive. She and her family lived in the capitol of Canterlot, which is filled to the brim with elites.

Her brother marriedCadence, a Princess. Before that, he was the Captain of Canterlot's Royal Guard, charged with protecting Celestia herself!

 

* Twilight's power levels are shown to be as high as Luna's or Celestia, in spite of Red Mages being traditionally weaker than those who specialize in a particular magic. Celestia herself was impressed by Twilight's raw power even when she was a filly.

 

* Twilight's Element, The Element of Magic, has always been worn as a tiara rather than a necklace like the others.

 

* Twilight became Celestia's favorite student. The reason for this appears to be Celestia grooming Twilight for the role.

 

* She became Ponyville's reasonable authority figure and the one to ultimately solve problems like Trixie and the Pinkie Pie clones.

 

* Speaking of the clones, Twilight had to make a tough decision and she had to make it fast. She knew that there was a chance that she would kill the real Pinkie by mistake, but she had to do something. Having to make tough decisions is part of being a leader.

 

* Twilight's cutie mark symbolizes magic, but it also resembles a very stylized star- which goes together with the sun and moon, both clearly visible celestial bodies. Perhaps there were always supposed to be three princesses ruling Equestria, and in-universe, Celestia leading alone (until Luna returned) was a temporary thing that everyone assumed wouldn't last.

 

* "Magic Duel" had Twilight taking on other responsibilities, like welcoming the delegates of Saddle Arabia. Other responsibilities of being a princess. (Or other forms of royalty or world leader, for that matter.)

I like you, the source gave pretty decent and understandable statements. I personally have no issue with Twilicorn, and I brush it off as no problem at all. I mean, seriously, other Bronies leaving or threatening to just because of that minor change? M'eh,

 

Love and Tolerate, I guess?

[Shanks 10,816]

It is not Twilight becoming an alicorn eventually that I had objections to it is that it was done way too soon and without nearly enough buildup to justify it. Yes there were hints that it would eventually happen but not right then, other than the opening two parter and the finale season 3 focused very little on Twilight making the change and the rushed nature of the finale feel like it was arbitrarily crammed in at the last second. I think that this change should have probably been saved until at least season 5, but now that it has happened though as sloppy as the execution it is it can still work if Hasbro lets writers do their jobs.

Edited March 30, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[Two-of-Hearts 168]

I say racist because only unicorns can achieve royalty.

 

I find the undercurrent of division between the three pony races to be fascinating and I wish the show would examine it more closely... probably won't happen though, but the fact that some kind of racism actually does exist in Equestria makes it a more interesting place.

 

 

I call it cheesy because it ruins tons of long-established canon by making Twilight's "true destiny" nothing more than just becoming yet another alicorn princess (there are now four alicorns where there should only be two).

 

What long established canon? If Twilights destiny wasn't to be an alicorn princess then what was? Based on the series progression, Twilight becoming an alicorn seems like a logical step to me.

 

 

believe it's unnecessarily overpowering

 

Twilight being an alicorn doesn't mean that she has godlike powers. As I said in my essay, I think there are alicorns, and then there are Alicorns. Luna and Celestia stand apart even from their own rare breed.

 

 

May I remind you that her friends should have a say in this too? They're the real reason behind Twilight's magic.

 

At first glance her friends seem to support it, but I'm hoping they'll delve into this issue more in season 4. It COULD cause division in the Mane 6, and thats good story fodder.

 

 

First off, her new wings are HUGE; at least twice the length of the rest of her body combined.... ....And yet they will simply fold up to be the same size as Fluttershy's. It makes no sense! I know it's a cartoon, but still. Second, it's obvious that the wings were added on later; they bounce up and down akwardly at a totally different rythm from the rest of her (especially when walking). On the same note, the height of her wings will vary slightly. Sometimes they're at her head level, other times they extend much higher. Sometimes they can reach only slightly horizontally, while at other times they triple her body's width.

 

Perhaps, but this is typical when a show adds a new animated feature. Its first appearance isn't always its finalized appearance. They'll probably work the bugs out.

 

 

As I have mentioned many times earlier, It ruins her iconic humble caricature; she used to look small and defenseless against enemies. Now with those flamboyant alicorn wings, it makes her seem invincible. It also makes the Mane Six considerably less iconic, with two earth ponies, two pegasi, one unicorn, and a big hunkin' alicorn smack-dad in the middle.

 

 

 

Who is smack dab in the middle, who has the big hunkin crown thingy? Twilight has been the prime focus from the very beginning.  And with the elements she's already more or less invincible. All their enemies can do is try to drive a wedge between their friendships; which Twilight's alicorn status gives them a new angle to work with. Yes Twilight has always been one of the more humble of the 6, but thats part of why she's destined for greatness. Its almost Biblical, the humble being raised up, uncertain and afraid. Enemies will try to corrupt her using Pride, and she will now have to wrestle with the greatest of the seven deadlies. But because she is humble she can fight it and she can win. 

 

 

Ehh, but everyones opinions on this are valid. I'm not going to change anyone's mind, and I am sort of wishing the alicorn thing had never happened if only for the fact thats it caused so much division in the fandom. And btw, none of this post is meant to be mean or belittiling in any way, I do respect your opinions on this, I'm just being debative and your post was one of the more well thought out ones.

 

Edit: Well ok she's slightly lower middle but she does rise up and this was the only pic I could find on short notice.

Edited March 30, 2013 by Two-of-Hearts

[Clover Heart 978]

Having re-watched the entire series after seeing MMC, I can see the ways in which they were alluding to this throughout the series. Maybe not so much in the first season, but a little in the second season and quite a bit in the third season. The most prominent example, in my mind, is in part 1 of The Crystal Empire, Celestia says, talking about Twilight Sparkle, "She will succeed at her task. And when she does, we'll know that she is that much closer to being ready." Ready for what? Ready to become a princess. That's the only think I can conclude, anyway. They never go further into what she's going to be ready for, but it's clear that the challenges she faced at the Crystal Empire made her magic stronger and she displayed leadership and caring, qualities Celestia said put her on track to become a princess.

 

So, yeah, I think they were planning this for a while. Which gives me a bit more confidence in the writers making her work. I mean, I'll still have to see it before I can judge it, but knowing that makes me not so wary about what they're going to come up with for season 4.

Edited March 30, 2013 by Clover Heart

[Smitty91 57]

As far as I can tell, most people are upset about the alicornizing because it separates her from her friends in several different ways, whereas I always expected her eventually leave and go do whatever Celestia's been training her for. Or at least graduate and pick up a career. I hadn't thought metamorphosis and ascension to royalty were in the cards, but they're pretty much the same thing.

 

I recently watched the episode again, but I noticed that how Twilight's relationship with her friends was never called into question. In fact, the only thing Twilight asked was if there was a book on being a princess that she should read. Nonetheless, I'm sure this topic will be covered in the season four premiere, and given that we have to wait until winter for it, it had better be worth the wait. 

 

It is not Twilight becoming an alicorn eventually that I had objections to it is that it was done way too soon and without nearly enough buildup to justify it. Yes there were hints that it would eventually happen but not right then, other than the opening two parter and the finale season 3 focused very little on Twilight making the change and the rushed nature of the finale feel like it was arbitrarily crammed in at the last second. I think that this change should have probably been saved until at least season 5, but now that it has happened though as sloppy as the execution it is it can still work if Hasbro lets writers do their jobs.

 

Completely agree with you! If you're a writer, you can't just spring something like this onto your audience at the last minute and expect them to take it seriously. This is akin to something horrible happening to someone and at the end it all just ends up being a dream. I hate that kind of ending. Not only is it cliche, but it's also the most cop-out ending ever! Like you, I don't think anyone had a real issue with Twilight becoming an alicorn as I'm sure many of them could see it coming, but I think people had a major issue with it since it just came out of nowhere, right at the last minute of the episode. Many people have said that this should have been two episodes as it was two stories in episode and I agree (though, some people said that "Keep Calm and Flutter On" should have been a two-parter too, which I don't agree with). I understand that it's typical of shows like this to have two plots going on at once, but not one right after the first one is said and done. 

 

Having re-watched the entire series after seeing MMC, I can see the ways in which they were alluding to this throughout the series. Maybe not so much in the first season, but a little in the second season and quite a bit in the third season. The most prominent example, in my mind, is in part 1 of The Crystal Empire, Celestia says, talking about Twilight Sparkle, "She will succeed at her task. And when she does, we'll know that she is that much closer to being ready." Ready for what? Ready to become a princess. That's the only think I can conclude, anyway. They never go further into what she's going to be ready for, but it's clear that the challenges she faced at the Crystal Empire made her magic stronger and she displayed leadership and caring, qualities Celestia said put her on track to become a princess.

 

So, yeah, I think they were planning this for a while. Which gives me a bit more confidence in the writers making her work. I mean, I'll still have to see it before I can judge it, but knowing that makes me not so wary about what they're going to come up with for season 4.

 

I'm really excited to see what they come up with. Speaking of "The Crystal Empire" at the end of part two, a book appears between Celestia and Luna and both of them nod their heads. I'm sure we'll get to see what this book is in season four, since Celestia said in response to Twilight's question, "There'll be plenty of time for that later." I've seen all of season one, some of season two, and most of season three. I have faith in the writers. They're not going to disappoint us. It's a crying shame that Lauren Faust isn't on the show anymore. She was a good writer.  

[Dolphanatic 298]

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

I find the undercurrent of division between the three pony races to be fascinating and I wish the show would examine it more closely... probably won't happen though, but the fact that some kind of racism actually does exist in Equestria makes it a more interesting place.

 

Yeah, great idea. Promoting racism to little girls. Here's a better idea: KEEP EVERY RACE EVEN! I seriously wish the writers would stop giving the unicorns and pegasi so many unnecessary advantages. It makes them seem way too powerful. Meanwhile, we have yet to see very much (if any) convincing evidence that earth ponies have any unique powers of their own. Applejack may seem like the strongest, but there is not enough evidence to indicate that this is related to her being an earth pony.

 

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

What long established canon? If Twilights destiny wasn't to be an alicorn princess then what was? Based on the series progression, Twilight becoming an alicorn seems like a logical step to me.

 

Somepony obviously needs to rewatch the series premiere. It was stated plain and simple:

 

"I felt it the very moment I realized how happy I was to hear you, to see you, how much I cared about you. The spark ignited inside me when I realized that you all -- are my friends. You see, Night Mare Moon, when those Elements are ignited by the... the spark, that resides in the heart of us all, it creates the sixth element: the Element of... Magic."

 

In my opinion, that's as obvious as it could possibly be (even to the point of feeling somewhat cheesy when watching for the first time). Twilight created the sixth element, which can only be powered through the other five combined. Take away any other element (whether it be Loyalty, Honesty, Generosity or whatever element you want) and the element of Magic would be powerless (if it would even exist at all). We all knew that was supposed to be Twilight's destiny. It made perfect sense! Magic powered by friendship! Friendship is Magic! Thus the title fit the show perfectly because it was about Twilight discovering a new kind of magic by learning about friendship.

 

If you're trying to say that it was because she wrote her own magic, then answer this for me: Why didn't Twilight transform into an alicorn right there and then after discovering the power of friendship? After all, she did discover her true destiny then, didn't she? And if becoming an alicorn was achieved simply by discovering one's destiny, isn't every character destined for something, therefore turning them into alicorns as well? Or are they all just too lazy to fulfill their calling? If so, does that mean that only four ponies in the whole history of Equestria, have ever fulfilled their destiny? Isn't that belittling to the rest? What about Twilight's friends? Why aren't they alicorns? They've discovered their destinies too, haven't they? What role do their cutie marks play in this, because the last time I checked, discovering one's special calling is what earns them their cutie mark, right? Why would such a "logical step" in the storyline raise so many questions that shouldn't ever have to be asked? Or better yet, what convinced you that such a step was even logical in the first place?

 

Okay, so maybe it's more about fulfilling his or her destiny. If that's the case, then how was Twilight not promoted when she first discovered the elements' true power? Why instead did it take plagiarizing a spell by Starswirl (who, by the way, should be an alicorn a hundred times over by Magical Mystery Cure's logic) by adding one sentence to the end and calling it hers to achieve royalty? I'm beyond certain that she already created her own magic with the assembly of the Element of Magic. But no! Instead she has to clean up a mess that she started over two seasons later in order to prove she's ready. As you can see, Magical Mystery Cure threw tons of logic out the window with such a thoughtless change.

 

In short, Twilicorn (or should I say, TwiliCORNY) ruins tons of canon.

 

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

Twilight being an alicorn doesn't mean that she has godlike powers. As I said in my essay, I think there are alicorns, and then there are Alicorns. Luna and Celestia stand apart even from their own rare breed.

 

You're missing the point. Twilight had plenty of power already. But adding an extra pair of wings gives her the ability to effortlessly fly around (even in a dress) on top of that, making her that much powerful. She used to seem more unique when she was the only unicorn with such raw abilities. Now that she's not only an alicorn, but also a princess with all the ponies bowing down to her and the like, her being a social outcast and her special abilities being hidden from the average pony are completely destroyed and replaced with "Well, of course she gonna be powerful! She's an alicorn princess, you silly!". It completely ruins the feel of the show. Remember when Twilight struggled to be heard? Remember when the citizens of Ponyville would laugh off whatever she would say? It's completely gone now. And as a result, the show simply isn't as interesting because of this. Now, as "Princess Twilight Sparkle", what she says goes all across Equestria. While you may think that being an alicorn is special, remember that having too many alicorns diminishes their uniqueness and prestige. Back when it was just Celestia and Luna, we thought of them as goddesses in control of all Equestria. Now with twice the amount of alicorns, they feel half as special. So yes, that's just the tip of the iceberg for why she's very overpowered and unoriginal as an alicorn princess.

 

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

At first glance her friends seem to support it, but I'm hoping they'll delve into this issue more in season 4. It COULD cause division in the Mane 6, and thats good story fodder.

 

It would be better if they delve more into Twilight's friendships rather than just Twilight herself, seeing as she's been around them for three seasons. But no! Instead, they do the exact opposite and shove her friends aside and bring an unnecessary amount of attention on Twilight alone. Even as the main protagonist, the writers are stressing the whole "show off how superior Twilight Sparkle is" idea way too much. If you don't understand what I mean, Take a look at The Crystal Empire. Here they thrust Twilight into the spotlight by making her take forefront in finding the Crystal Heart. Meanwhile, down on the streets below, Twilight's friends are acting like total goofballs trying to run some Crystal Fair that served only to distract the citizens of the empire for a short time before failing miserably.

 

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

Perhaps, but this is typical when a show adds a new animated feature. Its first appearance isn't always its finalized appearance. They'll probably work the bugs out.

 

Even if that's the case, those gigantic, flamboyant wings still look way out of place on Twilight.

 

On 3/29/2013 at 10:40 PM, Two-of-Hearts said:

 

 

Who is smack dab in the middle, who has the big hunkin crown thingy? Twilight has been the prime focus from the very beginning.  And with the elements she's already more or less invincible. All their enemies can do is try to drive a wedge between their friendships; which Twilight's alicorn status gives them a new angle to work with. Yes Twilight has always been one of the more humble of the 6, but thats part of why she's destined for greatness. Its almost Biblical, the humble being raised up, uncertain and afraid. Enemies will try to corrupt her using Pride, and she will now have to wrestle with the greatest of the seven deadlies. But because she is humble she can fight it and she can win.

 

You're missing my point again. I wasn't so much referring to her location as much as I was referring to the way she no longer fits in with her friends. They all used to have something the others didn't. In that picture I saw six different ponies who shared their own similarities while at the same time having their equal share of differences. They were all the same size, but they had their own personalities. It often showed by the way Twilight would sometimes look to them for help. Twilight having both a horn and wings takes away from the symmetricity of the species of the cast, thus ruining the feeling of evenness with her friends, making them look more like smaller background props for one larger main character rather than all of them being the main characters of the same nature. Just because Twilight is the main protagonist doesn't mean she needs to look set apart from the rest of the characters all the time. Sure, every now and then they can occasionally have extra hints to her being the main character, such as her wielding the main element to help emphasize this, but even those must be used sparingly to avoid redundancy. Changing her physiology to demonstrate this is simply overdoing it and therefore is extremely redundant.

 

For this reason, it's considerably less iconic. One of the biggest strengths in the characters is the ability to recognize or remember them by their basic outline. Take a look at this silhouette.

 

 

 

 

Just by viewing those silhouettes, you can recognize who they are. In the world of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, character design and their simplicity are crucial in forming their own memorable and iconic identities.

 

Twilight Sparkle herself has established herself as a unicorn and is (or should be) adored as such. At this point, she is an iconic figure to this fandom and to the canonical universe.

 

Switching her to an alicorn ruins the balance that made it so easy for people to remember the characters. If you ever got into a situation where you feel like you left out a pony or two, you could always think to yourself "Two earth ponies (Applejack & Pinkie Pie), Two pegasi (Fluttershy & Rainbow Dash), and two unicorns (Rarity & Twilight Sparkle)." Throwing off the balance of the main cast is like Tropicana's failed repackaging project: considerably less recognizable. Not having two of each gives an unfair amount of attention to some characters while leaving others in the dust (three of the main ponies can fly, while the other three can't). Like I've said before, It gives excessive amounts of unnecessary attention to Twilight, where she doesn't need it because she's already the main protagonist.

 

In short, giving the main protagonist extra attention is completely redundant. And because of this, it takes away from the rest of the cast, along with the overall story quality.

Edited July 4, 2017 by Dolphanatic
Fixing a typo

[Nature's Spell 526]

 

I've always hated it when people write fan fiction for the sole purpose of changing something they don't like about the canon.

It's funny that you put it that way since my fist venture into fanfic, or organized fandom, was for that exact reason. However, I totally agree with your premise now and clearly my fanfics support the "new reality".

Edited April 7, 2013 by Nature Spell

[Righteous Fury 344]

I'm just glad she's finally getting the recognition she deserves for having saved the world countless times.

 

And seeing as how princesses in this world apparently take random foalsitting jobs, I don't think it's going to upset the power dynamics of the show.

[piccana 18]

I don't think it is a bad thing, it all depends on how the writers take the story forward. Before the series actually continues I'm not gonna have an opinion about it, other than it's and interesting turn of events. Usually in cartoons the episodes end with everything going back to how it started, so this is something different..

And as for lessons to kids, embracing progress in your career or studies is not a bad lesson.. she should step down to stay leveled with her friends? what kind of lesson is that.. If they are true friends this shouldn't affect their friendship.

[Nature's Spell 526]

I find it sad that this thread was highjacked by those who dislike Twilicorn. I get that you don't and have reasons, but the name the thread is why I like it.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Nature Spell

[True Rarity 1,240]

Hate, my friend, is a powerful word.

I'm sorry if I've offended you all this time.

I do not hate Twilicorn.

The only thing I dislike is the transition.

I dislike it because it's so sudden.

Yes, the pitfalls.

That's my main reason.

I don't see how it can go on.

As for the friendship, well, I'm thinking there kinda has to be a bump here and there for the show to go on. You know, conflict-resolution?

I'll admit I don't like her new position.

But that doesn't mean I don't like her as a pony.

Sure, I wouldn't like it if she stays a princess.

But if she were to, somepony will still be awkward around her.

Most villians would either underestimate her or be scared of her.

Trixie or Gilda would never return.

Oh, the Lesson Zero thing about paperwork is funny. Yes, I'd love to see that!

But, being a princess, wouldn't Twilight have to stay in Canterlot?

And if that's her new home, she's probably let her friends live there, too.

But what about Sugarcube Corner?

The library?

Rainbow Dash's home?

The Carousel Boutique?

Homes the ponies will never forget.

Fluttershy would be the most sensitive to leaving. And I'd be fine with an episode about that, too.

But my point is, the main reason the show exists is because Twilight decided to stay in Ponyville.

It was her first big step in her friendship.

But this princesshood step seems to ME like her last.

 

I'm sorry if this hurt or angered you.

All I wanted to do is express my opinion.

And you like Twilicorn? Awesome. That's perfectly fine with me. 

You may do what you wish with your opinion, just like I'm doing with mine.

 

Friendship is Magic.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

It has officially been said that twilight will not leave her friends or outlive them, which I feel should be stated first since these are peoples biggest worries.

Lauren Faust had always intended for Twilight to be Celestia's heir and thus a princess. Now it can be argued that she did not intend Twilight to be an alicorn but her being a princess was established from the beginning.

Instead of standing against canon, make it work for you! MLPMakeItWork is my group supporting the canon of the show and making it work for the fans.

Instead of trying to change that which cannot be changed simply expand and explain for yourself how and why Twilight being an alicorn can work.

Twilight has not become some goddess among ponies, nor is there any reason to believe she will be anymore powerful then she already is.

Hasbro gave the writers a difficult task, to make Twilight an alicorn is a single episode... based on what I have seen M.A. Larson did a good job of making it work as best as possible.

Yes there is a problem of pacing, yes they could have explained it better, yes they could have hinted of her change in other episodes better.

Not everything Hasbro has done is good, not every episode is as good as others. The very idea of Discord being reformed is laughable and makes as much sense as the Joker being reformed. Which is why I believe Discord is only bidding his time, waiting to see what will happen, having manipulated the Mane Six in allowing him freedom on 'good behavior'.

Would I prefer Twilight to be a unicorn? Yes but I have come to terms with this change and have even considered the many possible episodes they can make.

Characters change, this is a fact a life, at least if your willing to allow change and development to happen. Only a fool would try to keep things the same, as it is through change that new ideas and stories can be made.

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Edited May 2, 2013 by EquestrianScholar

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Hello there. All of your topics were related to laying out explanations for why Twilight becoming an Alicorn is a sensible and logical progression for her as a character, and opens up new possibilities for her and the show. For convenience, they have been merged together. The oldest topic has also been renamed to clarify the point of discussion.

Edited June 10, 2013 by DashForever

[Phoenix Blaze 4]

But that's unicorn and student Twi, not royal Alicorn Twi. Things could change (I'm being vague because I don't know what her new duties would entail, time will tell). She is going to have a new set of responsibilities and duties that are bound to separate her from her friends, whether she likes it or not. It's a similar situation to Rainbow Dash joining the Wonderbolts. Each pony's responsibilities could drive the group apart.

 

Even if the writers try to force the Mane 6 to stay the same in their relationship, I'm having trouble figuring it out how it can seem natural. For three seasons Twi has had the same humble life as her friends, and elevating her in this way would inevitably change the Mane 6's dynamic. The show would inevitably become Twi-centric and all the attention would go to her, or they just try to have her continue her everyday life in Ponyville as an Alicorn princess, and that would just be schmaltzy and unnatural.

 

Really, there's only two ways I can see this going that wont compromise the show: 1) She temporarily is an Alicorn when the power of the Elements of Harmony are united or 2) She denies the opportunity to be an Alicorn altogether.

My personal theory is similar. I believe that in the first few episodes of Season 4 Twilight will recognize that being the Princess of Magic will in fact hamper the effectiveness of the Elements of Harmony. The Elelments are bound by their friendship, and if Princess Twilight must move away to Canterlot to work as a Princess, this will damage the bond that the Mane 6 have. Twilight will be forced to grow away from her friends, which will render the Elements useless because the bearers aren't as close as they were in seasons 1-3. Twilight Sparkle will see this and ask for Celestia to return her to her humble position as the most faithful student and the Element of Magic.

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My personal theory is similar. I believe that in the first few episodes of Season 4 Twilight will recognize that being the Princess of Magic will in fact hamper the effectiveness of the Elements of Harmony. The Elelments are bound by their friendship, and if Princess Twilight must move away to Canterlot to work as a Princess, this will damage the bond that the Mane 6 have. Twilight will be forced to grow away from her friends, which will render the Elements useless because the bearers aren't as close as they were in seasons 1-3. Twilight Sparkle will see this and ask for Celestia to return her to her humble position as the most faithful student and the Element of Magic.

This change is permanent, just to let you know, as such there will be no plotline where Twilight becomes a unicorn again. Also as I said above Twilight will be choosing to stay in Ponyville.

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I beg to differ. I think those "pretty princess wings" look out of place on Twilight. Why? Well first of all, I hate the whole Twilight turning into an alicorn idea to begin with. It's racist, cheesy, unnecessarily overpowering, and pointless. I say racist because only unicorns can achieve royalty.

 

Racist? You have no idea what Racism means if you consider that being racist. And Cadance used to be a Pegasus who turned into an Alicorn, so no, it's not just Unicorns who turn into Alicorns. (and that's canon) 

 

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I hate the idea of Twilicorn, i didn't seem as negative about it at first, but now more than ever, I despise it. The whole "hurr hurr, trust the writers" crap too, if for the so very famous sells they decided to make the whole Mane 6 Alicorns, of course, the ones in the fandom who'll eat up anything with the word pony on it will support and again post "lel trust the writers." Is it wrong to have faith that the writers will do a good job? No. What is wrong is expecting everyone to think the same way. 

 

I liked MLP for being about friends, they'd have sleepovers, and babysit and make dresses, that seemed like an awesome show, not because doing that stuff was interesting, but the way it was delivered was.

 

Remember those jokes from the first season? What happened to those? One of my favorite scenes was when Fluttershy was "spring cleaning" the library during Summer, or when Pinkie was in the hot air balloon talking with Spike about Hot Dogs or when that scene in the train when they were heading to Appleloosa.

 

The show was meant for little kids, but the charm of it was what got me to watch it, not the "Epic super dark adventures where they have to save Equestria." The reason the show got this amount of attention was because of that first season, the writers weren't aiming the show at us, they were aiming it at little kids, my 6 year old brother doesn't even understand the plot of the episodes, he'll wind up asking me "what's going on now?" every 5 minutes. 

 

I don't even hate the idea of Twilicorn, the way it was delivered was horrible. I could say i even loved the idea, I'd read fanfics about it, and I wouldn't be bothered by them because i didn't think of them being bad. 

 

One of them was just Twilight waking up as an Alicorn, consulting Celestia about it, Celestia talking about a prophecy of a third sister to be royalty. There was two endings for it, one where Twilight lives seeing her friends pass away, and the other one, a more "fair" one in my opinion, that as the friendship wielders they also become immortal.

 

I hated the Season 3 finale, no, I hated the whole season, every single episode. 

 

I still do hope for the best, and that Season 4 will hopefully make up for the finale. But i doubt that now that she's a princess it'll be like the old episodes of friends learning about friendship, which is what the series was about in the first place.

 

My personal theory is similar. I believe that in the first few episodes of Season 4 Twilight will recognize that being the Princess of Magic will in fact hamper the effectiveness of the Elements of Harmony. The Elelments are bound by their friendship, and if Princess Twilight must move away to Canterlot to work as a Princess, this will damage the bond that the Mane 6 have. Twilight will be forced to grow away from her friends, which will render the Elements useless because the bearers aren't as close as they were in seasons 1-3. Twilight Sparkle will see this and ask for Celestia to return her to her humble position as the most faithful student and the Element of Magic.

I'd like the Finale to be that Twilight grows away from her friends, villain attacks, they can't use the elements of harmony, they have to bond or something along those lines to save the day.

 

I doubt they'd turn her back into a unicorn, it'd make things even worse s:

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I beg to differ. I think those "pretty princess wings" look out of place on Twilight. Why? Well first of all, I hate the whole Twilight turning into an alicorn idea to begin with. It's racist, cheesy, unnecessarily overpowering, and pointless. I say racist because only unicorns

I am sure you used "racist" incorrectly in that long paragraph. Also, it ends a story arc. It may be bad for you, but for me, story arcs can start to begin.

As for Twilicorn, I actually am a supporter of her.

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This really can work and actually makes the show better than others because..

1 Change the characters actually develop and LEARN

2 Ummmm HELLOOOOOO look at her cutie mark its the STARS Sun Moon Stars anybody////

3 Twilight is a total badass at magic can definitely hold her own as royalty

 

I rest my case

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Edited June 11, 2013 by Sparkshower

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Racist? You have no idea what Racism means if you consider that being racist. And Cadance used to be a Pegasus who turned into an Alicorn, so no, it's not just Unicorns who turn into Alicorns. (and that's canon)

I am sure you used "racist" incorrectly in that long paragraph. Also, it ends a story arc. It may be bad for you, but for me, story arcs can start to begin.

As for Twilicorn, I actually am a supporter of her.

Why are so many people nitpicking on my posts instead of just reading them in their entirety? Yes, I fully understand the definition of "Racist". What I was trying to say is that the show seems to treat alicorns like they're somehow superior to the others. Even if it's true that Cadance was a pegasus (which she wasn't originally planned to be), there's still the question of why she had to be an alicorn to be a princess. What was wrong with her normal form? What ever happened to Platinum (from Hearth's Warming Eve)? She wasn't an alicorn. So why then does Twilight (and possibly Cadance if what The Pinkazoid is saying is true) automatically become an alicorn when she gets her stylized promotion? It wouldn't be as bad if she were one or the other. But being both for no apparent reason (other than to look more princessy) just feels slightly unsettling. Edited June 13, 2013 by Dolphanatic

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my friend daniel who ultimatly got me into my little pony friendship is magic is strongly against alicorn twilight, he says that because twilight sparkle is his faverout mane 6 pony (mine is pinkie pie by the way) and she now looks wierd and he just liked her the way he is. But i think alicorn twilight has many exciting possibilities and allmost certainly lead to many really good my little pony episodes baced on her new title as princess. all  though many of my brony and pegasister friends dont share my views the ones who do are extreamly psyched for the new episodes and have long talks about our views and our expectations and other things about alicorn twilights appearence in the next series. TO ALL WHO READ THIS I THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SOME TIME TO LISTEN TO MY OPINIONS AND I EXTEND MY ARM TO GIVE YOU ALL A BROHOOF!!! AND THANKS AGAIN 

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my friend daniel who ultimatly got me into my little pony friendship is magic is strongly against alicorn twilight, he says that because twilight sparkle is his faverout mane 6 pony (mine is pinkie pie by the way) and she now looks wierd and he just liked her the way he is. But i think alicorn twilight has many exciting possibilities and allmost certainly lead to many really good my little pony episodes baced on her new title as princess. all  though many of my brony and pegasister friends dont share my views the ones who do are extreamly psyched for the new episodes and have long talks about our views and our expectations and other things about alicorn twilights appearence in the next series. TO ALL WHO READ THIS I THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SOME TIME TO LISTEN TO MY OPINIONS AND I EXTEND MY ARM TO GIVE YOU ALL A BROHOOF!!! AND THANKS AGAIN 

 

I agree. Even though she's an alicorn now, that doesn't change who she is. She's still going to be that old bookworm that we all know and love. This opens the door to a lot of new, exciting stories, as well as character development for her.