Magic Man 222 January 19, 2013 Share January 19, 2013 So Discord has now been reformed (well, he's on the right track as he's realized he's been a douche), which is good, but where does that now leave the rest of the Equestria's enemies, including their foreign enemies. You know who I'm talking about! I mean, the way I see it, sorry, but if Celestia is willing to give Discord a second chance, then that doesn't make her willing to repair relations with Changelings beyond the realm of the impossible. What I would like to see is both sides coming together to try and rebuild relations, this idea being based on an early episode of Young Justice, where like the North and South Korea based countries in Equestria, the Changeling Kingdom and Equestria's leaders gather at a peace summit to try and work out a way to improve relations, with who else being the arbitrator (in Young Justice, Lex Luthor) than good ol' Discord. The episode can then be made serious due to the subject matter, with Discord providing much needed comic relief. Even if not this exact episode, surely most of you see a Changeling redemption, or rather a Equestrian-Changeling relations episode possible in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketchi Inktip Quillwing 97 January 19, 2013 Share January 19, 2013 I'm not really sure here. The Changelings FEED off love and drain power weakening all ponies INCLUDING Celestia. It would not be a good idea to do that. Discord might use chaos. but he had not only ponies to watch him right there WITH the Elements. In the Season 2 Finale not even Celestia herself could defeat Chrysalis, much less the Elements. I WOULD like to see the Changelings again, maybe not in Canterlot, possibly Ponyville. "Discovering the world one sketch at a time."- Sketchi (OC+Ponysona) My Official Ask Blog: http://asksketchi.tumblr.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootalove 10,689 January 19, 2013 Share January 19, 2013 Since Discord relied on his element of chaos to try to seperate the Mane 6's friendship by dismantiling the Elements of Harmony. I think the Changelings were a very good villain, maybe they'll come back from blasting off again like Team Rocket. 1 Credit: Moony © Forum FAQ Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man 222 January 19, 2013 Author Share January 19, 2013 Since Discord relied on his element of chaos to try to seperate the Mane 6's friendship by dismantiling the Elements of Harmony. I think the Changelings were a very good villain, maybe they'll come back from blasting off again like Team Rocket. I dunno, I mean Discord is arguably the biggest potential evil compared to Changelings. I think it is very much possible there are many good changelings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Marvelous 544 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 (edited) Oh, I think we need not have to worry about Queen Chrysalis and her changelings... if they ever get out of line, we will just send the Cutie Mark Crusaders again It worked once already Edited January 20, 2013 by Captain Marvelous 7 okay ponies, give me all your treasure. "I will destroy all the riders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otarolgam 22 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 You guys need to start reading the comics. The comics is in a really good multi-parter story featuring the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis as antagonists. I'm not going to reveal TOO much, but Chrysalis... at the end of issue 2... looks to be "winning". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galvin Starlight 16 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Well, let's remember this episode. When Celestia came to the main six she said that she "needed" Discord's magic. What she needed his magic for remains to be seen. It could be involved with the season finale or it could never come up again, but this is a topic in and of itself. The point is Celestia had a reason to mend things with Discord, so she initiated the attempt to rehabilitate him. The changlings are a different story. The changlings feed off of love, and its unknown if they can feed of that love in a non-parasitic way. If they approached Celestia and offered peace, I believe she would go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavelColt 22,882 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 So Discord has now been reformed (well, he's on the right track as he's realized he's been a douche), which is good, but where does that now leave the rest of the Equestria's enemies, including their foreign enemies. You know who I'm talking about! I mean, the way I see it, sorry, but if Celestia is willing to give Discord a second chance, then that doesn't make her willing to repair relations with Changelings beyond the realm of the impossible. I don't think it's that simple. Chrysalis, Changelings overall are emotional parasites. They feed off of love and good emotions. Their very presence is harmful to all other beings. Furthermore, Chrysalis herself is, in my opinion, beyond-redeemable. She's just a power hungry witch and that's how she's always going to stay. With Discord, you have a mischievous spirit who's been causing chaos and disharmony for so very long, but has never once attempted to try friendship, love, etc. Discord is chaos, which is inherently more neutral than it is good or evil. I don't see Chrysalis ever being redeemed. Even if Chrysalis decided to not try and take over Equestria, they can't interact with ponies much, because their very nature is parasitic. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARDudeIS 1 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 I don`t know. Maybe PC will make them feed off of the opposite,chaos: Queen Chrysalis vs. Discord FIGHT! What do you think?BLAH BLAH BLAAAAAAAH YADADAYADADAYADAYADDADAYAYDAYAYAYDYAYADYDAYDAYDADAYYADYADYDAYDYDAYDYDYADYADYADYDAYDAYDAYDAYDYDYAYAYYADYDAYDYDAY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeston-e12 173 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Personally, I don't think it's an appropriate idea to read into 'I could use his magic' statement by Celestia, there's been a ton of statements like that popped up, causing mass speculation where 95% of those just goes into the dumpster as soon as the season ends. I think it's more likely that the statement was simply there to make a justification for her intention in rather a vague way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betez 1,734 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 that would make a good episode. I honestly would like to see another episode with the Changelings. They seem to me like they're the main enemy on the show, so I really don't think there's any chance they'd ever be turned. But you never know. My OC Stay pony my friends"And ALWAYS remember...to never forget." - Someone who I'm sure has said this before I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmonic Revelations 8,835 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Changelings can't be reformed. In a way, attempts to reform them would feed them if the ponies took to liking them. Discord was different because he didn't have any inherent reason to be evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man 222 January 20, 2013 Author Share January 20, 2013 A lot of you are saying Changelings cannot be redeemed. That seems to insinuate that all Changelings are, by a rule, which I disagree though I may be in a slim minority in that. My main point was how their relation with ponies could be improved, which I do think is possible, even if it just means all they agree to do is to leave each other alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Soul 2,612 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Changelings are basically parasites, and you can't redeem a parasite. They have a hunger that puts whoever around them at the time in grave danger. Soundcloud-------------------Facebook---------------------------Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man 222 January 20, 2013 Author Share January 20, 2013 I don't think it's that simple. Chrysalis, Changelings overall are emotional parasites. They feed off of love and good emotions. Their very presence is harmful to all other beings. Furthermore, Chrysalis herself is, in my opinion, beyond-redeemable. She's just a power hungry witch and that's how she's always going to stay. With Discord, you have a mischievous spirit who's been causing chaos and disharmony for so very long, but has never once attempted to try friendship, love, etc. Discord is chaos, which is inherently more neutral than it is good or evil. I don't see Chrysalis ever being redeemed. Even if Chrysalis decided to not try and take over Equestria, they can't interact with ponies much, because their very nature is parasitic. Well, I never once considered Chrysalis being redeemed. That to me is way beyond possible. My main concern though is her peoples' relation with the ponies and if that could ever be improved. Now you say they are parasitic by nature which does have some evidence, but our limited knowledge of the Changelings does leave some benefit of the doubt. I doubt ponies and changelings can ever totally live in peace. The best they could hope for is an agreement to leave each other alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBaby 660 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 You guys need to start reading the comics. The comics is in a really good multi-parter story featuring the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis as antagonists. I'm not going to reveal TOO much, but Chrysalis... at the end of issue 2... looks to be "winning". Who made the comics? I'm just curious, because it will determine how I respond to this post. I've had history with comics made by a few companies and I'm just wondering if this was made by one of them. A Winner Is You!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex The Earth Pony 72 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Well considering that the Changlings still pretty much exist, it's really likely that they will comeback along with queen Chysalis with a new and probably better plan to take over equestra. Oh and too be honest I feel that having discord on their side now seems a little over-powered, since he has the power to pretty much alter reality, that means he could just go over to the changlings and casue havoc, an sabotage their kingdom. That is if discord will actually be willing to him them, he is after all the spirit of chaos, so he may not always be the best person to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otarolgam 22 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 Who made the comics? I'm just curious, because it will determine how I respond to this post. I've had history with comics made by a few companies and I'm just wondering if this was made by one of them. There's only one company that has the license to make Hasbro toy-related comics: IDW. I haven't read any of the Transformers stuff, but from what I've heard, they do a good job on those. But so far, the MLP comics are so excellent in terms of story. The artwork, on the other hand... it's fine, but I really could start loving it more if Katie Cook did some of the main story instead. (If you get issue 1, there will be a small 2 page comic that show's how AWESOME Katie Cook's art style is.) And if you're gonna collect these and keep 'em pristine, make sure to get the variant covers done by Stephanie Buscema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCS 7,537 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 This reminds me of an episode of Doctor Who about the ood, a race of beings that were all controlled by a single consciousness. If I understand correctly in that episode the single brain that controlled all of the ood was being tampered with, making the ood evil. Perhaps Queen Chrysalis and the changelings are of a similar nature. The changelings don't really seem to have individualized consciousnesses. It is possible that they all had free will and chose to delight in the destruction of love and joy, but that seems fairly unlikely. Queen Chrysalis might be the consciousness controlling all of the changelings. If she were reformed, perhaps all of the changelings would be reformed along with her. Or, maybe it's not something that extreme. Queen Chrysalis and the changelings remind me of a queen bee and worker bees. Perhaps she gave birth to all of the changelings (it would be possible since it seems that alicorns have lived for well over a thousand years). Since she is their mother, it would make sense that they acted like she did, whether or not she literally forced them to. If she were reformed, the changelings might change their mind. If their leader is no longer telling them to hurt others, what choice do they have? They could dissolve into chaos, or continue to have the leader they are familiar with, and change the way they live in the world. I honestly don't believe that Queen Chrysalis and the changelings are only capable of hate. Every intelligent being should have free will. However, it would be a lot more difficult to reform Chrysalis than it was to reform Discord. As Harmonic Revelations said in reply to this thread, Discord is different, because he does not have an inherent reason to be evil. I do not believe that anyone has an inherent reason to be either good or evil, as anyone who has the necessary mental capabilities and is not constrained by internal and/or external forces has free will. However, the very way of life Chrysalis and the changelings have gotten themselves into is squarely pitted against everything the mane 6, Celestia, Luna, Cadence, Shining Armor, and all of Equestria stand for: love and light. Therefore, while it would not be impossible to reform them, it would be very difficult to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmallon 353 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 (edited) The changelings cannot be redeemed, for they have not done anything truly evil, but instead actions that benefit their own existence and survival. Edited January 20, 2013 by New Moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaliel 116 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 You guys need to start reading the comics. The comics is in a really good multi-parter story featuring the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis as antagonists. I'm not going to reveal TOO much, but Chrysalis... at the end of issue 2... looks to be "winning". I would love to read them, but they're not available outside the US, and the magazine that is available here has com pletely different content *silently weeps* <-plz click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygen 6,066 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 I highly doubt that Chrysalis or the changling's can be redeemed, because they are parasites that feed off love. They could never really have any kind of friendship even with the ponies because they have to feed off of love to live basically. Discord is only a Chaotic being, Chaos and Evil aren't the same thing. Thanks to Gone Airbourne for the awesome sig! My Oc's, Ponysona, Bella Vocal Covers Blog, MLP Covers Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Marvelous 544 January 20, 2013 Share January 20, 2013 I suppose the only way that the changelings could ever be redeemed is if that they realize that "unrequainted Love" is a more stronger food source then the forced love, and that even if they feed of it, it would cause harm to the ponies, and they get their fill okay ponies, give me all your treasure. "I will destroy all the riders" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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