Would you like Ex-Royal Guards as Villains?

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

Like a bunch of former Royal Gaurds who quit forming a revolutionary army With their leader being a ponified Che Guevara. I think this Idea might be great since Celestias reign seem to mary sue-ish as in everypony and their mother seem to follow her. I mean their gotta be someponies who are not tyrants rulers but still want Celly to be replaced. also what will make this idea even better is have their leader the former Captain of the Royal Gaurds and Shinings former friend

[mycarhasaMoustache 449]

That is a pretty good idea with the ex royal guards. May have to rethink Che Guevara since most of the people who watch mlp are too young too know who he is (having a poster and referencing pop culture dose not count). But I do like the ex royal guards turning evil and fighting back it may just have potential.

[bladereaper07 42]

This actually seems like a decent idea... Though it might come off as a bit cliche. If ever they tried this out, they better make it epic. XD

[Planty 1,053]

Maybe this can be the season opening?

 

They could even take over the ruling of the pony world somehow,

 

then maybe twilight ends up leading the resistance against them!

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

That is a pretty good idea with the ex royal guards. May have to rethink Che Guevara since most of the people who watch mlp are too young too know who he is (having a poster and referencing pop culture dose not count). But I do like the ex royal guards turning evil and fighting back it may just have potential.

I am not saying have him as The Che of ponyverse, but have him based off him like Discord was based off Q. Oh wait why does it has to be a he. anyway I just think that their leader should have Che's design

[Dreadmallon 353]

Maybe this can be the season opening?

 

They could even take over the ruling of the pony world somehow,

 

then maybe twilight ends up leading the resistance against them!

 

The Dark Knight Rises style?

 

I can see this being a good idea, but the leader better be smart and strategic, otherwise they won't pose much of a threat.

[Planty 1,053]

The Dark Knight Rises style?

 

I can see this being a good idea, but the leader better be smart and strategic, otherwise they won't pose much of a threat.

 

Well i9t could be pretty similar, we know about the caves underneath canterlot!

 

Maybe the villain could rise from there? or we could even see the re-appearance of the diamond dogs

[Midnight Seeker 302]

I think the idea of a Big Plot involving a major conspiracy has potential (for those who don't know, a little plot is an episode, a big plot is a season or series).

 

I personally don't like the idea of casting Ernesto Guevara as a villain type for a number a reasons, but my biggest would be that it doesn't make much sense.

 

A conspiracy based The Business Plot on the other hand seems a bit more workable

 

From Wikipedia

"The Business Plot was an alleged political conspiracy in 1933. Retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler claimed that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow President of the United States Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler as leader of that organization. In 1934, Butler testified to the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Congressional committee (the "McCormack-Dickstein Committee") on these claims.[1] In the opinion of the committee, these allegations were credible.[2] No one was prosecuted.

 

While historians have questioned whether or not a coup was actually close to execution, most agree that some sort of "wild scheme" was contemplated and discussed.[2][3][4][5][6] Contemporaneous media dismissed the plot, with a New York Times editorial characterizing it as a "gigantic hoax".[7]"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

 

 

A long burning plot with intrigue, betrayal, bribery, misplaced goals, tested loyalty and the mane six caught in the middle.....

 

Be still my thundering heart. . .

[Shanks 10,816]

There are so many directions they could go with an idea like this it could show that Celestia is in fact not perfect because for all we know those former royal guards might actually have some legitimate grievances. I am not saying full blown revolt would be the appropriate response to this but it would make for some interesting story telling. Or they could be manipulated by a returning villain like King Sombra or a new villain, lies after all can be very powerful and dangerous.

[Pony Of The Month 534]

This would be cool, but now that I think about it, I really just want an episode explaining more about the Royal Guards. It could be like your idea, or it could be something else, but I really want to learn more about them.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

There are so many directions they could go with an idea like this it could show that Celestia is in fact not perfect because for all we know those former royal guards might actually have some legitimate grievances. I am not saying full blown revolt would be the appropriate response to this but it would make for some interesting story telling. Or they could be manipulated by a returning villain like King Sombra or a new villain, lies after all can be very powerful and dangerous.

Yeah I agree, Celestia and Luna have made decisions that may have worked but were foolish and if it wasnt for plot Equestria would have fallen because of those decisions such as sending weaklings after king sombra. Theres gotta be someponies who dont agree with them. they might not be evil after all Good and Evil are terms that change as history goes by, or they might been set up by a evil force. but I like the first better

[Phoenix237 353]

This could work on different levels.

The only problem I see is how they could handle the situation.

The theme is great and it could work, but only when handled properly.

[Veylon 255]

It's worth remembering that Celestia and Luna (but mostly Celestia) aren't just political figures, but also demigods and spiritual leaders. You can't just have a palace coup and call things good. Celestia is going to be far more effective at raising the citizenry en masse than any demagogue. She's virtually their goddess; they swear by her after all.

 

Really, if the Royal Guards were going to turn against anyone, it'd be Luna. Just about all of them joined before she came back, they've taken an oath - and probably take it very seriously - to protect Celestia, and know that Luna is Nightmare Moon and therefore one of the greatest possible threats to their beloved leader. Yes, Celestia welcomed her sister back, but it'd be fairly easy for would-be traitors to imagine that they are protecting her from herself, that they need to remove this threat to her for own good, even over her protestations. So this would be a plot of the Old Guard who have put decades into the status quo, want to see it restored, and see themselves as Celestia's most loyal and faithful guardians.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

It's worth remembering that Celestia and Luna (but mostly Celestia) aren't just political figures, but also demigods and spiritual leaders. You can't just have a palace coup and call things good. Celestia is going to be far more effective at raising the citizenry en masse than any demagogue. She's virtually their goddess; they swear by her after all.

 

Really, if the Royal Guards were going to turn against anyone, it'd be Luna. Just about all of them joined before she came back, they've taken an oath - and probably take it very seriously - to protect Celestia, and know that Luna is Nightmare Moon and therefore one of the greatest possible threats to their beloved leader. Yes, Celestia welcomed her sister back, but it'd be fairly easy for would-be traitors to imagine that they are protecting her from herself, that they need to remove this threat to her for own good, even over her protestations. So this would be a plot of the Old Guard who have put decades into the status quo, want to see it restored, and see themselves as Celestia's most loyal and faithful guardians.

Funny but if I saw someone getting beaten up in 5 seconds I would be for sure they arent gods. unless you mean like in greek myt gods.

Besides the only thing that makes her seem godlike is her immorality wich Even Sombra has one. and dint the old tribes controll the sun before she came?

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think it would be very cliche at first, I think it would be very effective if at one point.

 

But, on the other hand it would be a bad idea because villains aren't usually ex-communicated guards or any staff position for that matter. I guess I'll stand by it, unless they decide to make a episode about it.

[100 beasts kaidou 321]

I think it would be very cliche at first, I think it would be very effective if at one point.

 

But, on the other hand it would be a bad idea because villains aren't usually ex-communicated guards or any staff position for that matter. I guess I'll stand by it, unless they decide to make a episode about it.

So your saying they cannot try anything new because it never happened before? By your standard Redeeming Discord was a bad idea because male villains dont usually get redeemed

[Sunny Fox 5,952]

But, on the other hand it would be a bad idea because villains aren't usually ex-communicated guards or any staff position for that matter. I guess I'll stand by it, unless they decide to make a episode about it.

Ezma from "The Emperor's New Groove" is the perfect counter-argument. She wasn't a guard, but she was the head adviser before Kuzco fired her, whereupon she became the villain.

[Scootalove 10,689]

So your saying they cannot try anything new because it never happened before? By your standard Redeeming Discord was a bad idea because male villains dont usually get redeemed

I'm not saying that male villains shouldn't get redeemed, what I'm saying is would there be a point in turning ex-royal guards into villains.

[Homura Akemi 974]

Neutral on the idea. I have no opinion whatsoever on any of the the royal guards in the show because they're just there. I guess it's not a bad idea. 

[Veylon 255]

 

Funny but if I saw someone getting beaten up in 5 seconds I would be for sure they arent gods. unless you mean like in greek myt gods. Besides the only thing that makes her seem godlike is her immorality wich Even Sombra has one. and dint the old tribes controll the sun before she came?

Yes, this would be the Greek myth kind of gods. It's only because most of us have grown up under Monotheistic traditions that we have such high standards for godhood. Ponies don't expect her to be all-knowing or all-powerful, though she's surely much more powerful than any mortal pony. And that's enough.

[Twilight Yagami 16]

That's actually a pretty good idea, I could totally see it happening.  Although perhaps they don't even have to ex-royal guards.  What if someone were to conince some of the current royal guards to reject Celestia and assist in a coup.  Perhaps even a changeling could do this or some other charasmatic outsider.  Or disgruntled pony (most likely one of status) .  This is deffinitely an interesting concept and there are a number of ways one could go about this.

[Midnight Seeker 302]

Wait I have it!

Celestia has handled several bad events (that we know off) in a risky fashion. Letting Nightmare Moon return, allowing the Changlings, Paraspites and other beasts and monsters do damage before getting lucky and needing bailed out by her student and her civilian friends!
Then Trixie taking over Ponyville, the Crystle Empire, DISCORD!

What about a cabal of powerful advisers, generals, senators who see themselves as LOYALISTS!

A slow building coup, by ponies who want to save Equestria from what they see as an inefficient leadership! Ponies who want to clear the Everfree Forest and all other threats!
 

[Stormwind 53]

i actually like the idea a lot. It could even work as part of the season 4 premier. Hopefully DHX sees this thread and uses the idea.

[Veylon 255]

 

What about a cabal of powerful advisers, generals, senators who see themselves as LOYALISTS!

Idealists tend to make for some of the most formidable villains. They can't be bought off, intimidated, or easily reasoned with. They've got an all-important mission to fulfill and are going to do their damnedest to do it. In their own eyes, they are the heroes.

[Rainbow Dash Loyalty 1,275]

It would definitely be a good plot for an episode, I can see it being a two-part season finale episode. Maybe we can give new episode ideas to Zachary Rich to make some more episodes!