What if Twilight Looks at her "Destiny" in a Different Light?

[True Rarity 1,240]

O.K., so some of us are comfortable with the transformation, and some of us aren't.

I was eating supper a little while ago, and I thought, "Hey, being a princess is Twilight's 'destiny', isn't it?"

So that makes it sound as if she MUST stay an alicorn.

But who says you have to be an alicorn to be a princess?

Maybe she'll sacrifice her wings in the Season 4 premiere, but she'll instead be the first unicorn princess!

Of course that will take some getting used to. I mean, lots of ponies in Ponyville will be all over her.

Comments, anypony?

 

P.S. This doesn't mean I changed my mind about the Twilicorn thing. I'm still against it.

[Harmonic Revelations 8,837]

That's a difficult question.

 

One that poses the difficult question, "Does Twilight fully comprehend Hasbro's attempts to milk their toy franchise for all it's worth, at the expense of the quality of the show?'

 

The answer is a resounding yes.

 

While I am FOR Princess Twilight, Hasbro somehow still views the show as just episodic advertisements for their toys.

 

What I'm trying to say is that Twilight's 'Destiny' depends on how well the Princess Twilight toys sell.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Harmonic Revelations

[Edgeworth1001 648]

I'm still surprised that people are still talking about the finale.

 

Can't we all just forget about the finale and move on. Twilight becoming a Alicorn isn't all that bad.

[True Rarity 1,240]

That's a difficult question.

 

One that poses the difficult question, "Does Twilight fully comprehend Hasbro's attempts to milk their toy franchise for all it's worth, at the expense of the quality of the show?'

 

The answer is a resounding yes.

 

While I am FOR Princess Twilight, Hasbro somehow still views the show as just episodic advertisements for their toys.

 

What I'm trying to say is that Twilight's 'Destiny' depends on how well the Princess Twilight toys sell.

I didn't know there were Princess Twilight toys...

But you have a point.

Um, I really hope the toys don't connect with the show, though.

 

I'm still surprised that people are still talking about the finale.

 

Can't we all just forget about the finale and move on. Twilight becoming a Alicorn isn't all that bad.

Uh, if we were all going to move on, why would the forums have an entire section dedicated to discussing the alicorn transformation?

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

I'm still surprised that people are still talking about the finale.

 

Can't we all just forget about the finale and move on. Twilight becoming a Alicorn isn't all that bad.

Yeah, pretty much this. Why can't people just be happy that Twilight achieved something great and look forward to the future of the show? Because, technically, the show should be over now. Twilicorn becoming an Alicorn does not ruin the show, it just can't. I trust that the writers will make it work very well.

[True Rarity 1,240]

Yeah, pretty much this. Why can't people just be happy that Twilight achieved something great and look forward to the future of the show? Because, technically, the show should be over now. Twilicorn becoming an Alicorn does not ruin the show, it just can't. I trust that the writers will make it work very well.

I'm sure you're right.

Whatever the writers have in mind should be just awesome.

But I can't help but feel some regret in her being a princess now.

The reason there's an entire discussion area here is... well, so we can discuss the transformation.

[Edgeworth1001 648]

Uh, if we were all going to move on, why would the forums have an entire section dedicated to discussing the alicorn transformation?

Because Feld0 and the other mods probably knew that the finale was gonna unintentionally start a shitstorm as huge and serious as the whole Derpy incident.

[True Rarity 1,240]

Because Feld0 and the other mods probably knew that the finale was gonna unintentionally start a storm as huge and serious as the whole Derpy incident.

Yeah, they are all pretty smart.

I heard the Season 3 finale was going to be the series finale but they decided to make another season instead.

OF COURSE there will be a storm!

[Sugar Pea 2,683]

This could be a very legit topic. Look at Prince Blueblood for example...he is a unicorn, and a prince, related to royalty. He is still considered a prince, and he isn't an Alicorn. Some may argue that it's just in his name, but he is the princesses nephew.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

I'm sure you're right.

Whatever the writers have in mind should be just awesome.

But I can't help but feel some regret in her being a princess now.

The reason there's an entire discussion area here is... well, so we can discuss the transformation.

Okay....Why exactly do you feel 'some regret'? What about this situation makes you feel that way?

 

Also, I never brought up anything about the sub forum, if that last bit was intended for me.

[True Rarity 1,240]

This could be a very legit topic. Look at Prince Blueblood for example...he is a unicorn, and a prince, related to royalty. He is still considered a prince, and he isn't an Alicorn. Some may argue that it's just in his name, but he is the princesses nephew.

Yes, you understand my point completely. I don't know why you have to be an alicorn to be royalty.

 

Okay....Why exactly do you feel 'some regret'? What about this situation makes you feel that way?

 

Also, I never brought up anything about the sub forum, if that last bit was intended for me.

Have you read any of my other topics?

The way I see it, they can't change Twilight and continue the entire show.

Oh and the last bit was just because I wanted to add a fact to my point. If the transformation wasn't a big deal, there wouldn't be an entire discussion area on the forums.

Oh, and it's also for those who like the transformation. 

[Edgeworth1001 648]

Okay....Why exactly do you feel 'some regret'? What about this situation makes you feel that way?

 

Also, I never brought up anything about the sub forum, if that last bit was intended for me.

True Rarity may be talking about the fan speculation that all Alicorns are eternal and that Twilight may outlive all her friends.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

Yes, you understand my point completely. I don't know why you have to be an alicorn to be royalty.

 

 

Have you read any of my other topics?

The way I see it, they can't change Twilight and continue the entire show.

Oh and the last bit was just because I wanted to add a fact to my point. If the transformation wasn't a big deal, there wouldn't be an entire discussion area on the forums.

Oh, and it's also for those who like the transformation. 

First point: Why does one have to NOT be an Alicorn to have a normal life?

 

In terms of outliving her friends, that is something that we cannot confirm. In fact, Meghan McCarthy herself said that she will not outlive her friends. We do not know if just being an Alicorn means that you are immortal. This particular trait may be only for Celestia and Luna, since they are basically gods, something that Cadence, who obviously ages in the show, is not even close to the same level of.

 

This could be a very legit topic. Look at Prince Blueblood for example...he is a unicorn, and a prince, related to royalty. He is still considered a prince, and he isn't an Alicorn. Some may argue that it's just in his name, but he is the princesses nephew.

As far as I know, this is because becoming an Alicorn has to be earned, not some automatic right. Blueblood is mean spirited, rude, selfish, and tons of other horrid traits. He more than likely has not earned something so honorable, which is why I love that Twilight now has this status, because it is a great thing to earn.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

I doubt that they will take Twilight's wings. It would be really bad storytelling because becoming an alicorn is the "visual cue" that she evolved. And since they established that she reached a new point in her evolution that she is "also the teacher", I also doubt that she'll lose the Princess title either.

[Starlight Sky 375]

Twilight has matured beautifully from the lessons she's learned with from her friends. They've helped her "see the light that shines in a true, true friend". Now that she fully grasps the wonders of friendship, she is ready to be crowned a princess. Since friendship is a requirement for alicorn ascension, there really is no reason that the transformation itself would jeopardize her friendships. Twilight has much to learn, but also much wisdom to share.

 

This development really opens up great potential for season 4. There's plenty to go off of in early episodes that seems to foreshadow this transformation anyway. It certain caught me off guard, but I immediately loved the symbolism of it all. Everything is coming together so nicely 

 

On a side note, her reaction, "Is there a book about being a princess I should read?", shows she's still the same "adorkable" Twilight. The hot minute's have only supported my belief that the writers will do the show justice make this season the best.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Starlight Sky

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

I've been thinking. I guess that one of the problems here is that the authors don't really see alicorns as special beings, but some sort of allegory for "responsible adult".

[Starlight Sky 375]

I've been thinking. I guess that one of the problems here is that the authors don't really see alicorns as special beings, but some sort of allegory for "responsible adult".

 

Whether or not you can confirm that.....alicorns are certainly the ones fit to watch over Equestria and maintain harmony. They provide guidance; more as understanding leaders than "responsible adults" (in my eyes).

[Mint_Melody 91]

I'm not sure Twilight's destiny is to be a princess, or at least that isn't the way that I took it. The way that I saw her becoming an alicorn was that Magic was her destiny, creating new magic and using magic to help others in need. Since alicorns are presumably the most magical creatures in the universe, in order to be able to fulfill that destiny, Twilight must become one. Being elevated to princess status makes Twilight more respected and also gives her a platform to reach out to more people, instead of just her ponyville residents.

I don't think Princess Twilight was a marketing ploy and the lesson Twilight teaches children through her transformation is a beautiful one. So no, I doubt she will ever turn back into a unicorn and if she does I think it will be kind of pointless and even demeaning for the show. 

I actually don't mind if Twilight outlives her friends (even if she won't), you loose people in real life and it sucks but loosing your friends doesn't mean you fall to ruin. Her friends will have taught her the invaluable lesson of embracing their virtues or elements and leave Twilight prepared to face her life. And what if Twilight were to play a major role in the lineage of her friends? Making sure their foals and grandfoals were safe and provided for for years to come. What if Twilight helps teach THEM the all important elements that her friends embodied? Besides, if all alicorns are immortal, she has the other princesses whom she already greatly looks up to and eventually will become good friends with. Will Twilight loose a lot? Yes, but she would also gain so much. Celestia has to have loved and lost, yet she's ok. 

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Does anyone think that, say, Appelack could become an alicorn if she somehow "masters her abilities as a farmer pony". I mean, becoming an alicorn because she is so good at farming that she gets to teach other ponies about the "Magic of Apples".

 

Because I thought it was outrageous that Twilight is treated as if she is special and above the other Mane Six. I mean, can anypony reach this level of "alicornhood" or only some special ponies, fated to do so?

[True Rarity 1,240]

First point: Why does one have to NOT be an Alicorn to have a normal life?

 

In terms of outliving her friends, that is something that we cannot confirm. In fact, Meghan McCarthy herself said that she will not outlive her friends. We do not know if just being an Alicorn means that you are immortal. This particular trait may be only for Celestia and Luna, since they are basically gods, something that Cadence, who obviously ages in the show, is not even close to the same level of.

Hmm. Good point.

 

I doubt that they will take Twilight's wings. It would be really bad storytelling because becoming an alicorn is the "visual cue" that she evolved. And since they established that she reached a new point in her evolution that she is "also the teacher", I also doubt that she'll lose the Princess title either.

Also a good point.

 

 

Twilight has matured beautifully from the lessons she's learned with from her friends. They've helped her "see the light that shines in a true, true friend". Now that she fully grasps the wonders of friendship, she is ready to be crowned a princess. Since friendship is a requirement for alicorn ascension, there really is no reason that the transformation itself would jeopardize her friendships. Twilight has much to learn, but also much wisdom to share.

 

This development really opens up great potential for season 4. There's plenty to go off of in early episodes that seems to foreshadow this transformation anyway. It certain caught me off guard, but I immediately loved the symbolism of it all. Everything is coming together so nicely 

 

On a side note, her reaction, "Is there a book about being a princess I should read?", shows she's still the same "adorkable" Twilight. The hot minute's have only supported my belief that the writers will do the show justice make this season the best.

 

Another good point!

 

I've been thinking. I guess that one of the problems here is that the authors don't really see alicorns as special beings, but some sort of allegory for "responsible adult".

Well, that's a good point as well!

 

Whether or not you can confirm that.....alicorns are certainly the ones fit to watch over Equestria and maintain harmony. They provide guidance; more as understanding leaders than "responsible adults" (in my eyes).

Once again, a good point!

 

I'm not sure Twilight's destiny is to be a princess, or at least that isn't the way that I took it. The way that I saw her becoming an alicorn was that Magic was her destiny, creating new magic and using magic to help others in need. Since alicorns are presumably the most magical creatures in the universe, in order to be able to fulfill that destiny, Twilight must become one. Being elevated to princess status makes Twilight more respected and also gives her a platform to reach out to more people, instead of just her ponyville residents.

 

I don't think Princess Twilight was a marketing ploy and the lesson Twilight teaches children through her transformation is a beautiful one. So no, I doubt she will ever turn back into a unicorn and if she does I think it will be kind of pointless and even demeaning for the show. 

 

I actually don't mind if Twilight outlives her friends (even if she won't), you loose people in real life and it sucks but loosing your friends doesn't mean you fall to ruin. Her friends will have taught her the invaluable lesson of embracing their virtues or elements and leave Twilight prepared to face her life. And what if Twilight were to play a major role in the lineage of her friends? Making sure their foals and grandfoals were safe and provided for for years to come. What if Twilight helps teach THEM the all important elements that her friends embodied? Besides, if all alicorns are immortal, she has the other princesses whom she already greatly looks up to and eventually will become good friends with. Will Twilight loose a lot? Yes, but she would also gain so much. Celestia has to have loved and lost, yet she's ok. 

Yet another good point!

 

Does anyone think that, say, Appelack could become an alicorn if she somehow "masters her abilities as a farmer pony". I mean, becoming an alicorn because she is so good at farming that she gets to teach other ponies about the "Magic of Apples".

 

Because I thought it was outrageous that Twilight is treated as if she is special and above the other Mane Six. I mean, can anypony reach this level of "alicornhood" or only some special ponies, fated to do so?

EVERYONE HAD A GOOD POINT!

I guess we wouldn't be arguing over this if this had been the series finale like they planned. But I do hope the writers have something awesome in mind for this big change.

But I still don't think she should have changed.

[Mint_Melody 91]

Does anyone think that, say, Appelack could become an alicorn if she somehow "masters her abilities as a farmer pony". I mean, becoming an alicorn because she is so good at farming that she gets to teach other ponies about the "Magic of Apples".

 

Because I thought it was outrageous that Twilight is treated as if she is special and above the other Mane Six. I mean, can anypony reach this level of "alicornhood" or only some special ponies, fated to do so?

 

Lol! Hey I can tell you from experience that horse/ponies love apples enough to make an apple goddess both in this universe and in the pony one. Seriously though, I think anypony CAN become an alicorn, but they must have the qualifications to do so first. They must understand and be intimately connected to all of the elements, and they have to fully understand destiny. As it stands, we're only told that the others understand their own elements... and sometimes even that can be challenged. I realize this is a flimsy argument, since one could say it's impossible to embrace all of these elements at the same time... and you are totally right but I just can't see the others as princesses. Pinkie isn't mature enough. Fluttershy isn't bold enough. Rainbow Dash is too bold, and is only now learning to be less self centered. I don't see Rarity being interested in royal duties... at all. Unless it was making her royal dress. Apple Jack would be the most princess like out of all the other cast because she's constantly doing things for others and is extremely mature. I'm not saying any of this is a bad thing, the mane six are who they are and I love each of them that way.

 

I do have to say it used to really bother me that Twilight was favored so much... until Magical Mystery Cure showed that they are totally 100 percent happy with their destinies and don't desire to do anything else. If that's what makes them totally happy, so be it. I'm glad they finally did something with Twilight, because as it was Twilight's cutie mark served zero purpose. So she was the element of magic, but what did that contribute? Where did that put her in life? At least now we know.

[True Rarity 1,240]

Lol! Hey I can tell you from experience that horse/ponies love apples enough to make an apple goddess both in this universe and in the pony one. Seriously though, I think anypony CAN become an alicorn, but they must have the qualifications to do so first. They must understand and be intimately connected to all of the elements, and they have to fully understand destiny. As it stands, we're only told that the others understand their own elements... and sometimes even that can be challenged. I realize this is a flimsy argument, since one could say it's impossible to embrace all of these elements at the same time... and you are totally right but I just can't see the others as princesses. Pinkie isn't mature enough. Fluttershy isn't bold enough. Rainbow Dash is too bold, and is only now learning to be less self centered. I don't see Rarity being interested in royal duties... at all. Unless it was making her royal dress. Apple Jack would be the most princess like out of all the other cast because she's constantly doing things for others and is extremely mature. I'm not saying any of this is a bad thing, the mane six are who they are and I love each of them that way.

 

I do have to say it used to really bother me that Twilight was favored so much... until Magical Mystery Cure showed that they are totally 100 percent happy with their destinies and don't desire to do anything else. If that's what makes them totally happy, so be it. I'm glad they finally did something with Twilight, because as it was Twilight's cutie mark served zero purpose. So she was the element of magic, but what did that contribute? Where did that put her in life? At least now we know.

Yeah, I was kinda mad that they made it look like Twilight was just plain better than everyone else.

But, now that you mention it, as long as the others of the Mane 6 are happy, the rest of the show should come smoothly.

That is, if they find a way to make me happy with the whole Twilicorn thing.

[Starlight Sky 375]

 

 

But I still don't think she should have changed.

 

It might be difficult to ever accept this change if you're too focused on how you wanted it to go. Nothing wrong with predictions and expectations, but don't let it interfere with the story being told. I watched the entire series just taking things as they unfolded and enjoying what was done. During my re-runs of many episodes, everything seems to fall together beautifully.

 

Magical Mystery Cure is without a doubt my favorite episode. Setting aside the incredible songs, it brought together many elements of the story and carved a path into wonderful new territory.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Lol! Hey I can tell you from experience that horse/ponies love apples enough to make an apple goddess both in this universe and in the pony one. Seriously though, I think anypony CAN become an alicorn, but they must have the qualifications to do so first. They must understand and be intimately connected to all of the elements, and they have to fully understand destiny. As it stands, we're only told that the others understand their own elements... and sometimes even that can be challenged. I realize this is a flimsy argument, since one could say it's impossible to embrace all of these elements at the same time... and you are totally right but I just can't see the others as princesses. Pinkie isn't mature enough. Fluttershy isn't bold enough. Rainbow Dash is too bold, and is only now learning to be less self centered. I don't see Rarity being interested in royal duties... at all. Unless it was making her royal dress. Apple Jack would be the most princess like out of all the other cast because she's constantly doing things for others and is extremely mature. I'm not saying any of this is a bad thing, the mane six are who they are and I love each of them that way.

 

I do have to say it used to really bother me that Twilight was favored so much... until Magical Mystery Cure showed that they are totally 100 percent happy with their destinies and don't desire to do anything else. If that's what makes them totally happy, so be it. I'm glad they finally did something with Twilight, because as it was Twilight's cutie mark served zero purpose. So she was the element of magic, but what did that contribute? Where did that put her in life? At least now we know.

Huh... You made me realize something: my problem with that episode may really be a problem with my interpretation of it. What do you think that the cutie marks represent? I was pretty sure that they are a symbol for the talents of a pony. Rarity's talent is finding gems, as Applejack's  talents revolve around running a farm. Pinkie's talents are for making parties (or making ponies be happy). Rainbow Dash's talents are her love of competition and Fluttershy's talent is kindness.

 

But the last episode throws this out the window and says: Rainbow Dash's destiny (what she has to do or won't be happy) is working the weather. Do you see where I'm going? Did the meaning of the cutie marks change?

 

Because if they are about destiny (or fate, actually), Twilight doesn't deserve ANYTHING, all she did was the only thing she could have done because her destiny was set from the start. While poor Starswirl couldn't have done anything because he was set to fail from the start too.

Edited May 1, 2013 by moonlightavenger

[Mint_Melody 91]

Huh... You made me realize something: my problem with that episode may really be a problem with my interpretation of it. What do you think that the cutie marks represent? I was pretty sure that they are a symbol for the talents of a pony. Rarity's talent is finding gems, as Applejack's  talents revolve around running a farm. Pinkie's talents are for making parties (or making ponies be happy). Rainbow Dash's talents are her love of competition and Fluttershy's talent is kindness.

 

But the last episode throws this out the window and says: Rainbow Dash's destiny (what she has to do or won't be happy) is working the weather. Do you see where I'm going? Did the meaning of the cutie marks change?

 

Because if they are about destiny (or fate, actually), Twilight doesn't deserve ANYTHING, all she did was the only thing she could have done because her destiny was set from the start. While poor Starswirl couldn't have done anything because he was set to fail from the start too.

 

I think a cutie mark is a representation of a certain talent. That talent isn't something you control, it's something you have because it's tied to your innate being. Rarity for example, loves beauty and fashion, and what is more beautiful than gems? It also ties into their elements in the case of the main six. Rarity generously gives what is most important to her. Dresses, and fashion, by giving this to them she in essence gives up a piece of her soul, there for making her the essence of generosity.

 

Rainbow Dash's cutie mark has a could with a lightening bolt on it. That doesn't solely represent racing. Sure lightening is fast, but why the cloud? Yes, lightening technically starts in the cloud but the ground is a huge factor in lightening strikes too... so why isn't the ground also featured? What we do know is we see RD cloudbusting... a lot and there just so happens to be a cloud on her flank? In fact, racing or speed being her talent may not be her special gift but may tie into something larger. Bare with me, it's been shown the Wonder Bolts help out in time of crises perhaps THIS is who RD is destined to be. Maybe her talent is controlling extreme weather situations and being one of the best weather ponies of all time. It could be right now she's just so caught up in the glamour of wanting to be the best flier in Equestria, that she hasn't realized her true potential and the windows being the best flier could open to help other ponies. This would make sense, since RD is steadily learning to be less self absorbed and cocky as the series goes on. I'm not saying she won't be great and fast and a Wonder Bolt, but maybe she has a bigger purpose than being a show pony.

 

Lastly, even if this is their destiny, does that mean Twilight doesn't deserve it? True that if we're accepting that this is a predetermined universe she couldn't have avoided this path... but she does have free will doesn't she? Even if she doesn't, Twilight did the hard work and years of study most other foals didn't want to do. So does she still deserve it? Just as much as she ever did I suppose. It isn't like she knew this was where she was going and just sat back and enjoyed the ride. Twilight has risked life and limb to get where she is. She's saved the world how many times?!

 

What we know about Starswirl is very limited. It could be he was on this same path but since every pony has free will, he chose to deny his calling and not make friends. Or maybe since there was no danger for Starswirl to combat with the elements of harmony he did not see the purpose of embracing them and went back to his study. If Starswirl ever died, he probably died incomplete and unhappy because he didn't fulfill his destiny or he died totally satisfied because his destiny was not to become an alicorn or a prince, but just to study magic. Either way Twilight cannot be blamed for someone else's destiny, which she cannot control.