Why are the EG haters being oppressed

[Toa of Ponies 259]

I have never seen a more ignorant,arrogant post. Why do you care about others opinions and if they are different to yours, Its like you asking for a fight. And another thing how do Know its going to be bad? You can't judge a movie by a one minute trailer! I myself am looking forward to it ( yes I'm that "20%" John) Its sorta reminding me of rugrats all grown up, which I liked liked as much as the original series

[H3lios 6]

I personally dont mind if people say they dont like it or wont see it, thats their opinion.  What I do mind is the people who say they are leaveing the fandom or the ones insulting or even makeing death threats to the shows creators.  People at DHX are getting disheartend and thinking about leaving the show because of some of these comments.  That is what makes me mad.  Its one thing to not like something. Its quite another to condem those who made it.

[hawkflame 3,310]

Are you forgetting what forum you're on?  You're expecting people to not be passionate about a show on a nerdy forum website that's dedicated to this show.  I can see what you would mean if we we're on Youtube, or some other site, but come  on...  Please allow people on this site to believe anything and anything MLP related to be "urgent."

 

And its not hate.  Just because something is in opposition, or is negative doesn't mean its hate.

Plus, there's ways to "attack" people without necessarily chaotically cussing them out. 

 

Also, Mint had probably the most reasonable post of the week.

 

Urgent?  Come on.  If the definition of "urgent" was held to such a subjective standard, then *everything* could be urgent and the word loses all meaning. 

 

What is so important about a *movie* that it *needs* to be discussed, in spite of the discomfort of the person that you're trying to discuss it with?  Being passionate doesn't make it okay to be rude and make others uncomfortable, especially when at the end of the day, it's about a subject that's just a diversion.  It's a movie, not something with critical, life or death circumstances.

[Nilkad_Naqadah 144]

It's because of the inherent hypocrisy of a brony who refuses to give EqG even a chance. When it comes right down to it, premise has little to no effect on the quality of a piece. Writing and presentation are everything.  This is something that Friendship is Magic has already proven, and something most bronies are quick to make a point of, or, if they don't choose to vocalize this, it's at least assumed that they believe it because, were that not the case, why would they give the show a chance? Certainly there are those who liked the premise, but the majority were surprised that the show was good in spite of its premise (self included.) So, when I and people like me see bronies denouncing Equestria Girls based solely on the premise, there's some justified indignation. Some go so far as to say it will be great, I personally only say that we can't know until it comes out, though there is a good chance it will be at least decent given that these are still talented writers who have proven they know what they're doing. 

 

When it comes down to it, saying EqG is crap because of the premise is not only irrational and unjustified, it may very well be blatantly hypocritical depending on what you thought of MLP's premise before giving it a chance.

[John 793]

Urgent?  Come on.  If the definition of "urgent" was held to such a subjective standard, then *everything* could be urgent and the word loses all meaning. 

 

What is so important about a *movie* that it *needs* to be discussed, in spite of the discomfort of the person that you're trying to discuss it with?  Being passionate doesn't make it okay to be rude and make others uncomfortable, especially when at the end of the day, it's about a subject that's just a diversion.  It's a movie, not something with critical, life or death circumstances.

 

I'm sorry, but you can't possibly believe that urgency is objective.  There are different things which people may find to be urgent, and I just thought that because this is a website dedicated to the show anything involving the show could be considered urgent.  It doesn't make urgency lose its meaning, it just puts it into different contexts.

 

What's so important about it?  Well in the grand scheme of things, I guess its really not that important.  However if we we're only here to discuss the most important of matters, there would be no point in these forums which are based around discussing a show.

 

What I'm saying is that there's different types/levels of urgency.  If you feel that uncomfortable because someone is trying to talk to you about a show/movie than I'm afraid that there's something wrong with you.  I don't care if you "didn't want to hear it" or if the guy talking to you was being "too aggressive."  Its a conversation;  get over it.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

 

What I'm saying is that there's different types/levels of urgency.  If you feel that uncomfortable because someone is trying to talk to you about a show/movie than I'm afraid that there's something wrong with you.  I don't care if you "didn't want to hear it" or if the guy talking to you was being "too aggressive."  Its a conversation;  get over it.

 

He kinda brought it on himself. He came here claiming the guy was "oppressing him" for it. We merely all stated why that wasn't a true statement. It was one person not wanting to have a personal conversation about it, not a page/forum/blog whatever owner deleting public posts about it. 

 

And it wasn't the subject that was making him uneasy, it was the tone of the conversation. He was just short of telling him he was wrong for liking it. 

Edited May 15, 2013 by Shoboni

[John 793]

He kinda brought it on himself. He came here claiming the guy was "oppressing him" for it. We merely all stated why that wasn't a true statement. It was one person not wanting to have a personal conversation about it, not a page/forum/blog whatever owner deleting public posts about it. 

 

That's true.

I still don't see the true harm in pressing on a conversation with someone else though.  It just appears to me as part of normal speech.  I can see you're point if he was overly rude about it though, and if he was specifically acclaiming that that guy was oppressing him (which should be assumed considering the title of the orriginal post)

 

If only I could see the dialog again.

[thebobmaster 31]

Here's my thoughts on EG. I might see it at some point, but I won't pay to do so, because I am concerned about the info I have on it. That said, they've said repeatedly that it won't affect S4, so I'm still looking forward to that, or I would be if I had even gotten through S2 yet. In my opinion, any argument over how EG will affect S4 is a pointless argument, and getting confrontational with others is kind of missing almost every moral of FiM.

[hawkflame 3,310]

I'm sorry, but you can't possibly believe that urgency is objective.  There are different things which people may find to be urgent, and I just thought that because this is a website dedicated to the show anything involving the show could be considered urgent.  It doesn't make urgency lose its meaning, it just puts it into different contexts.

 

What's so important about it?  Well in the grand scheme of things, I guess its really not that important.  However if we we're only here to discuss the most important of matters, there would be no point in these forums which are based around discussing a show.

 

What I'm saying is that there's different types/levels of urgency.  If you feel that uncomfortable because someone is trying to talk to you about a show/movie than I'm afraid that there's something wrong with you.  I don't care if you "didn't want to hear it" or if the guy talking to you was being "too aggressive."  Its a conversation;  get over it.

 

Sorry, but there's no way to spin the idea of discussion on a film so that it's *that* important.  It's a movie.  It's entertainment.  There's noting so important about it so that you have to pressure people into talking about it against their will. 

 

I didn't suggest that you should only discuss important things, but rather that you shouldn't *have* to discuss things of an "unimportant" nature if you *don't want to*. 

 

Conversation is a two way street, you can't force someone into it. 

[John 793]

Sorry, but there's no way to spin the idea of discussion on a film so that it's *that* important.  It's a movie.  It's entertainment.  There's noting so important about it so that you have to pressure people into talking about it against their will. 

 

I didn't suggest that you should only discuss important things, but rather that you shouldn't *have* to discuss things of an "unimportant" nature if you *don't want to*. 

 

Conversation is a two way street, you can't force someone into it. 

 

Like I said before, urgency is subjective and you are now trying to force your opinion on what urgency is on me.

 

 Its not like he stalked the guy down and constantly bothered him about it.  He merely pressured him to talk about it with him in one SINGLE conversation.

I'm not saying that that's completely fine, but I'm saying that its not such a big deal that we have to verbally stone the guy for it.

 

Its not like the guy is forced to respond.  He could have left at any time in the conversation.

 

Yeah conversations are two-way and you can't be a part of it unless you offer yourself to become a part of it.  The guy could have just backed off if he wanted to.  Nobody was forcing him to stay there and talk.

 

Cut the guy some slack.

[John 793]

I'm not saying you have to like it and support it, I'm just saying that you have to atleast watch it before judging it that harshly "

 

If you are going to insist on not liking it even though you haven't tried it, atleast don't say "horrendous premise". Say things like "In my opinion, I probably wont like it because of the plot" :/

 

That's the thing though.  It seems as though we have enough information given to us already to be able to accurately judge weather or not we think it will have a horrendous premise.

Of course we can't be sure of this until its actually released, but for most of us its more of a "bet" than a statement.

We should be able to predict any outcome of the movie.  We aren't limited to only thinking its going to be good.

 

So no matter how pessimistic this may be, I should be allowed to think and say:  "I believe that EQG will be a shitty movie."  Its just my opinion, and I have my own personal reasons for believing so.  If someone asked me calmly why I thought so, I would be happy to explain to them my reasons.

 

The problem with TheMarkZ0ne is that he doesn't offer any reasonable explanation as to why he believes it will be bad.  Its kind of just "it will be bad.  No questions asked."  Even so, he should be able to hold that opinion.

Edited May 15, 2013 by John

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

I have no opinion on EqG because I don't plan on seeing it due to other reasons (high school-settings are a depression trigger for me), but given all the chatter on here lately, I think everyone, EVERYONE - BOTH SIDES - needs to just step back, take a deep breath, and just calm down a bit and wait for the movie to come out. That means pro-EqG people need to let anti-EqG state their opinion, and vice versa, and those who disagree with each other need to do so respectively and let everyone have their own speculative opinions. Because that's all we have at this point: speculation and opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. People need to stop acting like they are.

 

It seems so illogical to get worked up over what is still overall a mystery. It's fine to have opinions but people seem to be speaking in absolutes as if EqG was already out. And both sides are guilty.

 

Everyone...

 

Chill.

The.

Buck.

Out.

Edited May 15, 2013 by AtomicBassCannon

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

That's the thing though.  It seems as though we have enough information given to us already to be able to accurately judge weather or not we think it will have a horrendous premise.

Of course we can't be sure of this until its actually released, but for most of us its more of a "bet" than a statement.

We should be able to predict any outcome of the movie.  We aren't limited to only thinking its going to be good.

 

So no matter how pessimistic this may be, I should be allowed to think and say:  "I believe that EQG will be a shitty movie."  Its just my opinion, and I have my own personal reasons for believing so.  If someone asked me calmly why I thought so, I would be happy to explain to them my reasons.

 

The problem with TheMarkZ0ne is that he doesn't offer any reasonable explanation as to why he believes it will be bad.  Its kind of just "it will be bad.  No questions asked."  Even so, he should be able to hold that opinion.

i have already explained this. It's going to be Twilight Sparkle the movie. Her REAL friends aren't in the movie. So who cares about these clones of the other main ponies. I can tell Rainbow Dash is ruined since she can't fly in the movie. I bet you all the talents and feats won't be present in these characters. I am not going to bring up the stereotypical high school drama shit. Everyone knows that's an instant recipe for success. I also hate the art style for this movie. It looks like it was drawn by a blind person without arms 

[John 793]

i have already explained this. It's going to be Twilight Sparkle the movie. Her REAL friends aren't in the movie. So who cares about these clones of the other main ponies. I can tell Rainbow Dash is ruined since she can't fly in the movie. I bet you all the talents and feats won't be present in these characters. I am not going to bring up the stereotypical high school drama shit. Everyone knows that's an instant recipe for success. I also hate the art style for this movie. It looks like it was drawn by a blind person without arms 

Hey!  I bet there's blind people without arms who can draw amazingly.  If you think the movies going to be shit, just pretend it doesn't exist.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Hey!  I bet there's blind people without arms who can draw amazingly.  If you think the movies going to be shit, just pretend it doesn't exist.

Well exaggerating aside. The movie is not going to be focused on adventure. I mean really....-_____- Playing hot potato with the crown. What is this pre school?

Edited May 15, 2013 by TheMarkz0ne

[BlackStallion 4]

Personally, I have no hatred towards this movie. Sure, it's not exactly the GREATEST thing to happen in the fandom but it's also not the WORST. All fandoms have their "moments", but it's not something for people to lose their minds over. People complained about Discord returning and being reformed, and they've complained about Twilight becoming a princess at the end of season 3. Haters are going hate, plain and simple.

[John 793]

Personally, I have no hatred towards this movie. Sure, it's not exactly the GREATEST thing to happen in the fandom but it's also not the WORST. All fandoms have their "moments", but it's not something for people to lose their minds over. People complained about Discord returning and being reformed, and they've complained about Twilight becoming a princess at the end of season 3. Haters are going hate, plain and simple.

I don't think you should use "haters are going to hate" here as most of us who aren't exactly pumped for EQG aren't haters either.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

It looks like it was drawn by a blind person without arms 

 

You have not begun to see bad animation, buddy. EqG looks like freakin' Disney compared to some of the things I've seen flat out or watched reviews of. 

[Dusty Soul 2,611]

Some people are very tolerant and actually are very nice about not liking it, but others think of it as the plague and think that it's the end of the world or something.  It's not canon so don't make it canon.  There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but just stop and don't talk about it.

[hawkflame 3,310]

I have no opinion on EqG because I don't plan on seeing it due to other reasons (high school-settings are a depression trigger for me), but given all the chatter on here lately, I think everyone, EVERYONE - BOTH SIDES - needs to just step back, take a deep breath, and just calm down a bit and wait for the movie to come out. That means pro-EqG people need to let anti-EqG state their opinion, and vice versa, and those who disagree with each other need to do so respectively and let everyone have their own speculative opinions. Because that's all we have at this point: speculation and opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. People need to stop acting like they are.

 

It seems so illogical to get worked up over what is still overall a mystery. It's fine to have opinions but people seem to be speaking in absolutes as if EqG was already out. And both sides are guilty.

 

Everyone...

 

Chill.

The.

Buck.

Out.

 

If I could select "post of the thread," this would be it. 

 

People have a right to feel how they want, but IMO it's only destructive to get so wrapped up in it like this.  Feel whatever you want to feel about EQG, but realize that letting your emotions overwhelm your opinion does NOT lead to healthy, rational discussion and sharing of ideas.  It leads to self destruction, higher stress, and everyone just getting pissed off.  I'm speaking about *both* sides, by the way.  Both need to realize that not everyone shares their opinions and reactions to Equestria Girls, and respect that. 

 

I think that everyone needs to take a break from this subject for a few days.  Not gonna happen, I know, but that's probably best for everyone involved.  The goodwill and sense of community that the Brony fandom has fostered doesn't need this kind of poisonous discussion creating all this friction. 

 

Man, and I thought Twilicorn was bad.  This is 10 times worse. 

[Righteous Fury 344]

It might be a matter of the fact that when you first watched your first episode of MLP, you had to give it a chance and possibly thought it was stupid to watch. Now Equestria Girls is coming around and this idea that you should try something before judging is around the brony community,

 

it's sort of just starting a schism now in the community. But I do think it is justified to suppress the haters, it's gone way too far to the point were cast and others that work at DHX are considering leaving because of personal attacks by haters. It's like that one group, most of them may be good people and civil but there is that one small portion that gives the group a bad image. So either the fandom kills itself and My Little Pony or we get our shit together through any means to keeping it alive and healthy. 

you're missing the entire point

 

most EQG haters are not total psychopaths

 

the movie's going to be total crap, but I don't bear Hasbro or DHX and ill-will for it

 

and I'm not abandoning the fandom any time soon

 

it's you guys that are destroying the fandom by saying "like this or else"

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

you're missing the entire point

 

most EQG haters are not total psychopaths

 

the movie's going to be total crap, but I don't bear Hasbro or DHX and ill-will for it

 

and I'm not abandoning the fandom any time soon

 

it's you guys that are destroying the fandom by saying "like this or else"

 

It's not the disliking that's causing a problem. It's the people being total dicks about disliking it. "I don't like it" is a opinion, "It's a miserable piece of shit and you should feel like a dumbass for liking it" is just being an ass, which is what many people(not you, from what I've seen) are doing. 

Edited May 16, 2013 by Shoboni

[MrHaru 217]

Oh I don't know, maybe because how blunt and rude a lot of it comes off as? There's being against something, i.e 'I really don't like the looks of this. I'm not going to get my hopes up, frankly. If others would like to support it fine, but I'm not', and then there's 'This sucks, plot is fucking horrible, oh god it's going to crash and burn.'

 

Tone and the way you word things makes a -huge- difference

This.

 

Where did all of that understanding that Bronies cherish and practice so often for ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE UNDER THE SUN go? Did Discord come and 'discord' up a lot of you? What the hell happened? You got into this show in the FIRST place because you decided not to let initial thoughts get to you and give it a try. You gave it a try and things turned out much better than you thought it would be now didn't it?

 

Maybe you should actually start practicing what you guys were preaching before.

 

Well exaggerating aside. The movie is not going to be focused on adventure. I mean really....-_____- Playing hot potato with the crown. What is this pre school?

 

Oh pft like you've never done silly things in high school before for the sake of silly enjoyment no matter HOW ridiculous it sounded?

 

No? So you're the only mature one here then? Gotcha. Glad we're establishing that here. :U

[RWB 229]

I also love how an actual quest in another world=/=adventure.

 

Even if the movie ends up being total horseapples, it is an adventure story simply from the structure.

[Chacobos 160]

you're missing the entire point

 

most EQG haters are not total psychopaths

 

the movie's going to be total crap, but I don't bear Hasbro or DHX and ill-will for it

 

and I'm not abandoning the fandom any time soon

 

it's you guys that are destroying the fandom by saying "like this or else"

I think you took my message either the wrong way or think I just stereotyped haters. I am pretty sure I just said small group which infers the haters that are making the personal attacks to the point where the show may die/lose what many like about it which in turn will probably kill the fandom eventually.

 

your last sentence i am not sure if you are talking to me(I could care less about EqG but I am not going to go all George Lucas and The Phantom Menace radical) which I don't see how that would destroy the fandom or the small group I am talking about that is giving the majority of haters that are in general good people and will not go ape shit over something like this a bad name.