Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 #1 Share February 13, 2012 i started thinking. Is it wrong to lie? on my first tought i'd say yes! truth will last longer. BUT! If i would hurt someone by telling the truth is that much better? example1: *my wife is pregnant.* "Are you still phisicaly atracted to me?" *HELL NO! would be my first tought.* "ofcourse i am." by lying here you are doing good. so in this case i'd say lying is good. example2: *i got some money to buy cloths from my parents* *I have 20 bits left.* "parent: how much have you left?" "child: 10 bits" WRONG! by lying here i'd say your not only lying but stealing. example3: *dirty room* "mother: have you cleaned your room?" "child: yes." and child goes up to clean his room. now he may have lied here, but was it so wrong? if he would have told the truth his mother would get angry. And by lying she's happy and he's happy. so where is the edge of lying? where does it stop beeing bad and where does it stops beeing good? im really interested in what you guys think about this, so let me hear it. for TL;DR what are your toughts about lying. Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legit101 300 February 13, 2012 #2 Share February 13, 2012 Completely situational. Lying in one situation may be perfectly fine, but another not at all. 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Lightning Da Cute 619 February 13, 2012 #3 Share February 13, 2012 It totally depends on what it is. sometimes lying is the better option but you have to use it only once in a blue moon. I'm the Son of Celestia And when i'm King who else did you think would be Queen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finesthour 7,287 February 13, 2012 #4 Share February 13, 2012 I try not to lie as much as I did. It just makes a bigger lie, and that lie makes a bigger life, and then a bigger lie. In the end, it is a clusterfuck of lies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 Author #5 Share February 13, 2012 but where is the boarderline? Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strafe 594 February 13, 2012 #6 Share February 13, 2012 Lying to get out of trouble is wrong even though I've done it more than enough times. Lying to to protect other people is right. Lying to comfort other people (Like telling a person he doesn't have cancer or something) depends on the situation. "The Gods envy us. They envy us because we’re mortal, because any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful because we’re doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now. We will never be here again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #7 Share February 13, 2012 You just compared white lying to actual lying. White lies aren't bad; they're called white lies because they're harmless. Regular lying is obviously bad and hurtful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akemi Homura 7,680 February 13, 2012 #8 Share February 13, 2012 I'd only lie if my life depended on it, or if some things aren't meant to be told, no matter what. I would never lie maliciously, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankveld 4,949 February 13, 2012 #9 Share February 13, 2012 I feel like lies have a way of coming back to bite one in the butt, even if they are 'innocent', it's just better to tell the truth and talk things out, especially if it's with your partner. ps. you're not attracted to my pregnant body ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #10 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:06 PM, 'Shankveld' said: you're not attracted to my pregnant body ~ Woah Woah Woah Woah Woah... you were pregnant this whole time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 Author #11 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:04 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: You just compared white lying to actual lying. White lies aren't bad; they're called white lies because they're harmless. Regular lying is obviously bad and hurtful. so you say that example 3 is good? even tough the kid lied to his mother? On 2012-02-13 at 10:06 PM, 'Shankveld' said: I feel like lies have a way of coming back to bite one in the butt, even if they are 'innocent', it's just better to tell the truth and talk things out, especially if it's with your partner. ps. you're not attracted to my pregnant body ~ OFCOURSE I AM!!! 2 Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #12 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:08 PM, 'lunatic' said: even tough the kid lied to his mother? Depends on how old the kid is. If younger than 10, then I guess it would be understandable. If not, a bit douchey, yes. If he's an adult and he's withholding the money like that? Yeah, that would be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankveld 4,949 February 13, 2012 #13 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:08 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: Woah Woah Woah Woah Woah... you were pregnant this whole time? lmaoo nah I was just joking about Lunatic's examples x) ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 891 February 13, 2012 #14 Share February 13, 2012 If the lie is to steal something, or to cause harm to someone then it is wrong. Most other cases are fine as far as I'm concerned. I'd like to thank the MLP Vector Club for the images used in my avatar. Known as "Princess Mi Amore Cadenza", "Trixie the Great", "Tom" and "Tomzoid the EggDroid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 Author #15 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:09 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: Depends on how old the kid is. If younger than 10, then I guess it would be understandable. If not, a bit douchey, yes. If he's an adult and he's withholding the money like that? Yeah, that would be bad. but telling lies is always understandable. but not always the right thing. Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #16 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:09 PM, 'Shankveld' said: lmaoo nah I was just joking about Lunatic's examples x) ~ Haha, yeah that seems apparent On 2012-02-13 at 10:11 PM, 'lunatic' said: but telling lies is always understandable. but not always the right thing. (shrug) Fair point. What about in the case where some dude asks if you have a phone so that he could steal it, and you lie saying that you don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankveld 4,949 February 13, 2012 #17 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:11 PM, 'lunatic' said: but telling lies is always understandable. but not always the right thing. I don't think I'd wanna have a child with someone who thought I wasn't attractive if I was pregnant honestly :x and that lie would hurt me. ~ On 2012-02-13 at 10:12 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: What do you think about withholding the truth? or not telling the whole truth ? ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L-PinkVsD-Pink327 177 February 13, 2012 #18 Share February 13, 2012 You can say whatever you want, but it all falls down on what the situation is, and what the outcome would be. Actually, more on the outcome of telling a lie. Now for a borderline, people are going to have different opinions. I don't know what my boarderline is, and I'm to lazy to screen through and organize my thoughts at the moment, maybe later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 Author #19 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:12 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: Haha, yeah that seems apparent (shrug) Fair point. What about in the case where some dude asks if you have a phone so that he could steal it, and you lie saying that you don't? i'd say thats ok. but what if i knew you would die tommorow instandly and painless. and i tell you: "your going to die tommorow" is that wrong? since you would not be able to live the last moments of your life happy becouse you are going to die tommorow. On 2012-02-13 at 10:15 PM, 'Shankveld' said: I don't think I'd wanna have a child with someone who thought I wasn't attractive if I was pregnant honestly :x and that lie would hurt me. ~ but its the truth, so the truth would hurt you and so would the lie. then whats better? On 2012-02-13 at 10:15 PM, 'UltravioletvsInfrared327' said: You can say whatever you want, but it all falls down on what the situation is, and what the outcome would be. Actually, more on the outcome of telling a lie. Now for a borderline, people are going to have different opinions. I don't know what my boarderline is, and I'm to lazy to screen through and organize my thoughts at the moment, maybe later. i hope you do im really interested Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankveld 4,949 February 13, 2012 #20 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:17 PM, 'lunatic' said: but its the truth, so the truth would hurt you and so would the lie. then whats better? There are men that are attracted to their wives even if they are pregnant ~ so I guess I'd want to know the truth, before involving myself with them. ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #21 Share February 13, 2012 (edited) On 2012-02-13 at 10:17 PM, 'lunatic' said: i'd say thats ok. but what if i knew you would die tommorow instandly and painless. and i tell you: "your going to die tommorow" is that wrong? since you would not be able to live the last moments of your life happy becouse you are going to die tommorow. but its the truth, so the truth would hurt you and so would the lie. then whats better? Actually, that would be false depending on the person. Me, I'd probably clear my conscious and make my amends before dying, then die happy. And if you knew that someone was gonna die tomorrow instantly, and you lie, not only would it be wrong to withhold the truth from the victim because THEY'RE GONNA DIE, but to the victim's loved one's, as they will be affected by this as well. On 2012-02-13 at 10:15 PM, 'Shankveld' said: What do you think about withholding the truth? or not telling the whole truth ? ~ Depending on the situation, it could vary from being harmless to disasterous. In the end though, it's gonna be found out. If I did it, I wouldn't be to proud of myself when I look at it in hindsight. If someone's withholding/not telling the whole truth, I would be somewhat sad but not pissed about it if the reason why is legitimate. ...why do I feel like I've contradicted myself? Edited February 13, 2012 by NeverNeverland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunatic 1,186 February 13, 2012 Author #22 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:19 PM, 'Shankveld' said: There are men that are attracted to their wives even if they are pregnant ~ so I guess I'd want to know the truth, before involving myself with them. ~ dont you think it would freak the guy out if you asked him "are you atracted to pragnant females?" (god since when am i the guy that calles girls "females"?) Inspired by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverNeverland 1,940 February 13, 2012 #23 Share February 13, 2012 On 2012-02-13 at 10:23 PM, 'lunatic' said: god since when am i the guy that calles girls "females"? Better question: Do you have a problem with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom The Diamond 1,830 February 13, 2012 #24 Share February 13, 2012 (edited) Lies never pay out in the long run. Sure, you might get off with pulling one every once in a while, but they are not a good alternative to simply telling the truth. Edited February 13, 2012 by Tom The Diamond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankveld 4,949 February 13, 2012 #25 Share February 13, 2012 (edited) On 2012-02-13 at 10:20 PM, 'NeverNeverland' said: Depending on the situation, it could vary from being harmless to disasterous. In the end though, it's gonna be found out. If I did it, I wouldn't be to proud of myself when I look at it in hindsight. If someone's withholding/not telling the whole truth, I would be somewhat sad but not pissed about it if the reason why is legitimate. When you think about it, people are lying FOR A REASON so they know the truth would hurt the other person. I once got into an internet argument about how it's wrong to imagine being intimate with someone else while being intimate with your partner. The person argued that it wasn't wrong, but wouldn't tell their partner they did it. I said that they were lying to their partner though. And they said "well I never said..." You don't always need to lie to be dishonest. ~ On 2012-02-13 at 10:23 PM, 'lunatic' said: dont you think it would freak the guy out if you asked him "are you atracted to pragnant females?" (god since when am i the guy that calles girls "females"?) G: If I got pregnant, would my body turn you off. B: Of course not. You have so many attractive features that a little bump isn't going to turn me off. Besides that bump is a product of our love, how could I dislike it. ~ I suppose things are different when you are truly in love, like think of old couples. Elderly men and women are still attracted to their partners. Edited February 13, 2012 by Shankveld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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