I wish Princess Celestia was real and she helped fix this world's problems

[Serious Sam 259]

I just want to say that this idea would be: completely fucking amazing!  With how caring and kind she is, Celestia could be the government in the world I live in any day.

[Adachi 772]

While I agree with almost everypony's opinions here, there is one major blemish on this whole thing.

 

We are essentially asking a CELESTIAL BEING, a GOD THAT MAGICALLY CONTROLS THE COSMOS THEMSELVES to come in and govern our world. With the leaders here, while they may be childish in their antics, they are the same species as us, and we can negotiate and reason with them.

 

With celestia, however, it's a "I know best. If you defy me, I teleport you to the moon have a nice day" kind of thing. We would have to accept her rule, and there wouldn't be a darn thing we could do about it.

She doesn't have a god complex. I think that she would come up with some solutions, then let humanity take it from there. Offering some ponies to help at first since humans can't be trusted to finish anything without a war breaking out or something.

[Scootalove 10,689]

Even with all of the problems that this world has, Celestia could try to fix them if she understands and learns how a government works. Dare to dream.

[Adachi 772]

About zealots being against Celestia. This is the UN we're talking about, the most secure place in the world. They certainly aren't gonna allow anyone who remotely looks like a terrorist in to the meeting. It would probably only be the leaders of USA, Italy, France, Germany, Russia, China, Japan, Britain, and leaders from a few other major countries. Of course, the leaders of middle eastern countries would be there, but they would be weapon checked just like anyone else. And she would only agree to appear in person if they were sure that everyone would be comfortable with her being there and speaking to them. So the church would have no power to brand her a heretic. She would give her speech, some would listen, some would not, afterwards, a rocking party courtesy of Pinkie Pie. Whether the world leaders involved keep her words in their hearts, that is another story, but I know most would at least give her suggestions a try. She's dealt with racism before, and she deals with magical emergencies as well as mundane emergencies on probably a daily basis, so she is no stranger to politics, law, etc.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Guys... Throwing a nuke in the middle of a city to kill a pastel colored horse that wants to be friends??

I thought humans were rational. 

 

This discussion was about Celestia's capacity to convince humans to accept help through her 1000+ years experience. But since it has gone on to war against ponies, why is t that people always assume that ponies are so powerless against the mighty "Science"?

 

EDIT: By the way, how come humanity always unites on it's own against the invading evil when we can't figure out our own religions that were not supposed to that important in the modern world politics?!

Edited March 22, 2014 by moonlightavenger

[Ribbonfree 2,383]

Guys... Throwing a nuke in the middle of a city to kill a pastel colored horse that wants to be friends??

I thought humans were rational. 

 

This discussion was about Celestia's capacity to convince humans to accept help through her 1000+ years experience. But since it has gone on to war against ponies, why is t that people always assume that ponies are so powerless against the mighty "Science"?

 

Canonically, from what I've seen, I accept that the level of magic an average unicorn can produce probably isn't enough to block a bullet. Unless they're purposely restraining their magical abilities. Always possible some of the many spells the more advances Unicorns like Twilight can learn have combat purposes.

 

And I was just arguing with the worst assumptions in mind since that was the subject the thread was currently on. In reality I think humans would allows Celestia to at least parley. Even if they chose not to heed her advice.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Canonically, from what I've seen, I accept that the level of magic an average unicorn can produce probably isn't enough to block a bullet. Unless they're purposely restraining their magical abilities. Always possible some of the many spells the more advances Unicorns like Twilight can learn have combat purposes.

 

And I was just arguing with the worst assumptions in mind since that was the subject the thread was currently on. In reality I think humans would allows Celestia to at least parley. Even if they chose not to heed her advice.

Our soldiers don't have spells that block bullets and that doesn't stop them from fighting each other. Why can't the ponies have their own enchanted armors for example? Why are bullets so mighty? We are limited to physics and magic seems so much more malleable.

 

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to pretend I can say what people can or can't discuss. I just don't get this logical jump: they came to help... Let's nuke them. I suppose that the discussion can be fun, but, I didn't see a conclusion on "can Celestia (and the other ponies) convince humans to play nice?". I mean, I suppose that ponies might want to learn from us.

[Ribbonfree 2,383]

Our soldiers don't have spells that block bullets and that doesn't stop them from fighting each other. Why can't the ponies have their own enchanted armors for example? Why are bullets so mighty? We are limited to physics and magic seems so much more malleable.

 

And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to pretend I can say what people can or can't discuss. I just don't get this logical jump: they came to help... Let's nuke them. I suppose that the discussion can be fun, but, I didn't see a conclusion on "can Celestia (and the other ponies) convince humans to play nice?". I mean, I suppose that ponies might want to learn from us.

 

Hey I wasn't the one who changed the subject, I was just going along with it!

 

That's not something we can know for sure, anyways. I'm not convinced in either direction, as far as canon is concerned. If we involved headcanons, I believe in the power of magic to triumph.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Hey I wasn't the one who changed the subject, I was just going along with it!

 

That's not something we can know for sure, anyways. I'm not convinced in either direction, as far as canon is concerned. If we involved headcanons, I believe in the power of magic to triumph.

Sorry again. It came out ambiguous. I didn't mean to ask you specifically. I'm asking everyone interested in the discussion.

[Tigerpop198 696]

Another one of these treads, interesting debates if you ask me. I don't think she has to fix much, other than the pessimism of humanity.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

We as a society are way too focused on materialism and acquisition to change so easily even when there is so much evidence weighing against our current ways. Well, the mentality of people tend to be perpetuated from the top-down instead of the bottom up so if Princess Celestia were to take the place of our current leaders, eventually we will assimilate under her according to the way things run now.

 

Then again... Those who pay attention to what happens in the world at a deeper level surely would have noticed the cozy relationship that's been developing between government and corporations. If Princess Celestia really were to take leadership position and adjust policies that would benefit people at any expense whatsoever to the corporate elite and their bottom line, I guarantee you that there will be attempts to assassinate her but since she's immortal and much of the media is owned by corporations, we can expect to see her undergoing pretty thorough media slander.

Edited March 22, 2014 by SunBurn

[Adachi 772]

We as a society are way too focused on materialism and acquisition to change so easily even when there is so much evidence weighing against our current ways. Well, the mentality of people tend to be perpetuated from the top-down instead of the bottom up so if Princess Celestia were to take the place of our current leaders, eventually we will assimilate under her according to the way things run now.

 

Then again... Those who pay attention to what happens in the world at a deeper level surely would have noticed the cozy relationship that's been developing between government and corporations. If Princess Celestia really were to take leadership position and adjust policies that would benefit people at any expense whatsoever to the corporate elite and their bottom line, I guarantee you that there will be attempts to assassinate her but since she's immortal and much of the media is owned by corporations, we can expect to see her undergoing pretty thorough media slander.

Yeah that's true. Maybe it's best she didn't come after all. It's hard enough running Equestria as it is. Although if she could pull this off, that would be awesome

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

We as a society are way too focused on materialism and acquisition to change so easily even when there is so much evidence weighing against our current ways. Well, the mentality of people tend to be perpetuated from the top-down instead of the bottom up so if Princess Celestia were to take the place of our current leaders, eventually we will assimilate under her according to the way things run now.

 

Then again... Those who pay attention to what happens in the world at a deeper level surely would have noticed the cozy relationship that's been developing between government and corporations. If Princess Celestia really were to take leadership position and adjust policies that would benefit people at any expense whatsoever to the corporate elite and their bottom line, I guarantee you that there will be attempts to assassinate her but since she's immortal and much of the media is owned by corporations, we can expect to see her undergoing pretty thorough media slander.

I hadn't thought of the media. That would be a problem, I guess. Fortunately, I'd expect that not all media is controlled by corporations. Blogs, for example.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

I hadn't thought of the media. That would be a problem, I guess. Fortunately, I'd expect that not all media is controlled by corporations. Blogs, for example.

Well, except for people who are already aware about the corporate media conglomerates. Even better are those within our ranks who are aware of the corporate media and place trust in this horned, talking, magical, white winged horse XD

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

Well, except for people who are already aware about the corporate media conglomerates. Even better are those within our ranks who are aware of the corporate media and place trust in this horned, talking, magical, white winged horse XD

I'm thinking about independent media. Even if they are not aware that the major news outlets are manipulated. They might "spread the truth" anyway.

 

On the other hand, I think that any person with half a functional brain is aware that the news are manipulated in one way or another.

[Night Shine 769]

Someone needs to turn this into a fic.

If I do, will you read it? I consider myself a good writer, but I have not written ponyfic for a while and am looking for an excuse to get back into it.

 

Edit: And on topic, I share your dream and belief that with Celestia and the ponies' help, we could overcome human nature and make the world a better place.

Edited March 22, 2014 by The Late Night Shine

[USMCav8r 106]

With her easygoing nature, intelligence, and wisdom, I think she would be able to get most people to listen, and she could provide inventions that could help resolve many of this world's problems. Maybe even set up trade if she can figure out how to handle interdimensional trade. Even the hardest of hearts would probably melt when they get to spend some time with her. She would probably win a peace prize, and we would have a Utopia.

 

Oh well, I can dream, right? xD

Keep dreaming about Utopia. Meanwhile we Marines are willing to get us as close as possible.

[aoEAF2FBvC0MIo2Q 3,673]

Keep dreaming about Utopia. Meanwhile we Marines are willing to get us as close as possible.

With soldiers like Mike Prysner out there, there is reason to believe that.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

If I do, will you read it? I consider myself a good writer, but I have not written ponyfic for a while and am looking for an excuse to get back into it.

 

Edit: And on topic, I share your dream and belief that with Celestia and the ponies' help, we could overcome human nature and make the world a better place.

Of course I would. I love reading ponyfics.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

There is a word that actually describes the complete removal of the stain of corruption from the human race: extinction. It wouldn't be enough for world leaders to consult with Celestia, the world's entire human population would have to look up to her as well. MY realistic side realizes it will never happen, but at the same time, it would be awesome to see people be chill with each other, to co-operate for a more collective good. 

 

To anyone who said or will say "we can dream", don't waste your time dreaming. If you want it, work for it. Model it, demonstrate these values, it sounds cliched, but be the change, don't just wait for someone else to start it first.

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

 

 

To anyone who said or will say "we can dream", don't waste your time dreaming. If you want it, work for it. Model it, demonstrate these values, it sounds cliched, but be the change, don't just wait for someone else to start it first.

 

I can work all I want and still not get what I want. If my goal is impossible to reach, I'd rather not waste time "working for it". And it's not like dreaming takes resources.

 

I'm not saying "Oh... People are jerks, so I'm not gonna care about human rights." I care about human rights wherever I'm dreaming about them or not. And I don't stop making my part just because it doesn't seem to be working. I can't see how dreaming and working for it are mutually exclusive.

[Frith is Magick 1,471]

 

 

I can work all I want and still not get what I want. If my goal is impossible to reach, I'd rather not waste time "working for it". And it's not like dreaming takes resources.

There is a difference between dreaming and fantasizing. I can fantasize about running faster than light speed, but I'm not going to train everyday with this goal in mind (well, I might, it would still be a good fitness routine, but that isn't the point). A dream, not in the context of what you do while sleeping, is a true desire, a goal, a vision. Humanity may not reach any semblance of harmony during my life, or even within the lifetime of my potential great-grandchildren, but it is possible, and every step towards it is a success. If you're going to dream about something, either work for it or call it a fantasy, to dream is to act, not to speak empty words.

[Rarity Paige Belle 1,854]

Just as an aside, why does everyone say that Celestia is weak/cowardly?

[Metemponychosis 1,262]

There is a difference between dreaming and fantasizing. I can fantasize about running faster than light speed, but I'm not going to train everyday with this goal in mind (well, I might, it would still be a good fitness routine, but that isn't the point). A dream, not in the context of what you do while sleeping, is a true desire, a goal, a vision. Humanity may not reach any semblance of harmony during my life, or even within the lifetime of my potential great-grandchildren, but it is possible, and every step towards it is a success. If you're going to dream about something, either work for it or call it a fantasy, to dream is to act, not to speak empty words.

in the colloquial sense these words mean the same (unless I'm incurring in a translation problem).

But I get your meaning now.

[SveciaDash 364]

Wouldnt she just send one of her students to do it instead? harrharrharr