Dark Qiviut
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Some people look for tropes in episodes that don't even exist. Over on TV Tropes, Star Swirl being a jerk and assuming Stygian's irredeemable before realizing he's wrong is claimed to be an example of a "Take That, Audience!" response at those who're tired of reformed characters in the series. That claim is really faulty.
- Star Swirl is absolutely justified to assume Stygian's irredeemable. The Pillars were the gatekeepers of good against any evil who may suddenly appear during a very dark, volatile era of Equestria. By stealing their artifacts, Stygian betrayed their trust, and later joined forces with an emotionally manipulative villain to become stronger than them. Star Swirl's black-and-white mentality with villains is backed by canon.
- Star Swirl's jerkish arrogance makes sense. During his era, he was the strongest, most powerful, and smartest unicorn alive and is among the Pillars who deserve the credit for keeping Equestria safe. Twilight really screws up their spell to contain Stygian and rightfully earns his wrath and sneering for her egregious mistake.
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QuoteThat's Starswirl line is a 'Take that, audience!' moment in Tv trope, i didnt realize that.
I'm saying the opposite. That the "Take That" claim, even from that line TV Tropes plucked, is baloney.
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@Dark Qiviut Starswirl's jerkiness attitude is totally justified in story context but it could be a take back to audience who complain about reformation, we know the staff can hear our opinions so it can happen.
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You know, though, it's interesting. Rainbow outright brings up that Twilight became an alicorn by finishing one of his spells. It's pretty clear the episode wants to suggest that while Star Swirl's thoughts on the situation are understandable, they're outdated.
I think the message that the episode was trying to spread revolved around being open-minded and also standing up for alternative arguments, given that Twilight's problem throughout the episode was that, despite her disagreeing, she didn't say anything in objection to him out of a desire to impress him.
