TheJLeeTeam

I'll admit I completely agree with you, there were several episodes of FiM I tried to like but I finally end up disliking them like Crystal Empire, I was analyzing that 2 part episode a lot and in the end I feel like those episodes were tasteless. And even Canterlot Wedding, I thought was underwhelming even though the songs were great. And I realize even an episode that features my favorite characters can be bad. My favorite character in the entire franchise is Cadance because I can relate to her the most.

I'm 18 now, and when I was a kid I enjoyed a lot of post movie Spongebob episodes even the worse ones, I mean Best Day Ever was an episode I was so excited for only to be dissapointed after watching it. And I even liked Chicken Little when I was 8 but almost a decade I realize it's bad. Though I've seen G3 MLP and I found myself enjoying it, not sure why but I thought it was cheesy in a good way. But G3.5 is intolerable. I never seen Tales but Equestria Girls was meh.

I've been subbed to Mr. Enter for over a year now and he does Animated Atrocities and while abrasive I tend to agree with everything he says. Even a lot of the stuff he reviewed I used to like as a kid, I look at them way differently now like certain Spongebob episodes, Fairly Odd Parents episodes, and Chicken Little.

And yeah Breadwinners was bad but Nick has a new show now called Harvey Beaks that's actually pretty good, it's much more innocent, relatable, and less annoying than Breadwinners.

So do still like MLP or have you given up?

I still like MLP but I just don't care for most of the fandom anymore. I think it's okay to be a fan of the show but not apart of the fandom.

I highly doubt that anyone overlooks the morals.  For a lot of people, though, it is the plot and character development that makes the morals and messages convincing-- and perhaps more importantly, makes the show itself interesting. Plenty of children's shows express similar, if not the same, morals and messages.

 

If I just wanted moral messages, I'd go read Kant, Bentham, or the Buddha. (Even then I'd still have to pay attention about how they develop their moral ideas.)  What a show like MLP:FiM does, however, is develop morals in a very concrete and accessible way through storytelling.  If something about the plot (and to admittedly a lesser extent, character development) renders the moral a non sequitor or calls into question its universality, it makes the moral meaningless in the context of the show and thus reduces its chances of being taken seriously.

I get it. A good story makes a moral more appealing, a bad story makes a moral less appealing while no storytelling makes a moral plain. And for the most part the stories are good enough to deliver a moral which I didn't realize yet.

While the storytelling is good, It's not the best storytelling I've seen in a cartoon because I've seen better more interesting storytelling in several other cartoons such as anime, Gravity Falls, and Regular show. So storytelling is not one of my favorite parts of this show but the storytelling is mostly good enough to deliver the morals which are one of my favorite parts of this show. So I don't watch FiM for the greatest stories ever, just good enough ones to carry out a moral.

What I meant to say about the storytelling was that they don't need to be all dark, epic, serious, or deep. I kind of said that incorrectly. I think it's only because I've seen a lot worse writing in shows like Spongebob and Family Guy. I just expect more light relaxing tones from this show and stories that are just good enough to deliver a message.

And about Rainbow Falls, I just didn't see what was so bad about it. I thought it was meh but I've seen worse episodes like Dragon Quest.

I'm probably going to get more involved in other cartoons like Gravity Falls and I just got back into Regular Show.

You're right in that the morals and messages are the most important part of the show, but the execution within the plot should support these morals. A glaring oversight in the plot can hurt the credibility of a moral.

 

For example, the reasons why I'm constantly ripping the Twilight subplot of "Trade Ya!" are twofold: one is that the plot fails to consider an opposing argument which is equally valid speaking from a matter of fact, and another is Pinkie Pie's frenetic and antisocial behavior being the vehicle for which the moral was delivered. It's a botched message because of how it was portrayed in the plot and it's great to get people to consider that thought.

 

Most reasonable analysts know not to expect The Godfather levels of complexity from this show, but just a plot that soundly backs up its moral. Morals don't have to be told, but shown. Most of the show's writers who come from a comedy background don't recognize this well enough.

 

To be fair, I'd rather take MLP at its worst over 99% of cartoons that are popularly considered as "bad", and just as much over a considerable amount of passably "good" ones as well.

I'm just saying people are expecting was too much from the plots to the point where they want the show to be darker or more epic when you should find a different show that is darker or more epic. And yeah there are a few episodes that aren't executed well even though they still have good morals but I doubt most kids would notice.

Oh you would take MLP at it's worst? Then try G3.5 or Newborn Cuties.

Rainbow Falls doesn't deserve an ounce of praise whatsoever. Even though it has a moral (albeit weak), the way it's told is completely terrible. It's the worst written episode of the show for several reasons, all you can find in my review here.

 

It doesn't matter what messages or morals you put into the product. What will make the messages convincing is the story. The basis of an objectively good episode is how well the story's told. Is it well-paced? Are the characters in character, likeable, endearing, and held accountable if done wrong? Is the story not full of plot holes? Is the moral woven well, or is it full of dangerous implications? Does the comedy have a purpose, and will it age well? It keeps on going.

 

If your story is a mess, then the moral is purposeless. How can anyone appreciate or tolerate the moral if the moral is poorly explained via the presented context? You can't.

 

Take a look at Somepony to Watch Over Me. On the surface, the moral is good: You can't watch over your loved ones all the time. But the way it's handled makes it one of the worst in the entire show. Applejack pampered AB because she saw her spill a bowl of soup. But when Bloom gives her really solid justification for babying her, she sees this as the reason to make her more independent. This terrible logic creates a slew of dangerous implications.

 

People analyze because they like the show as much as the people who don't analyze. As I said in my interview in the newsletter, the analysis community analyzes for one main reason: It's fun. But there's more to analysis than that. There's also a standard of quality to expect out of this show, and part of the BAC's job is to tell them to live up to that standard. Otherwise, expect to hear a barrage of criticisms no matter where you go.

 

The content and market audience are no excuses for publishing bad quality. You don't use this excuse for products targeted to adults. Likewise, you don't do the same for ones with families in mind. Friendship Is Magic is an all-ages, gender-neutral cartoon. No matter the demographic, general audiences can watch and enjoy it. "TV-Y" means it's suitable for all ages. The best family cartoons have well-written subtext and context that bridge to multiple demographics. The Cutie Map is one of the best examples to come out of this season, and the same can be said with the comedy in Make Friends, But Keep Discord.

 

Analysis has had its place from the very beginning even before bronydom started. There's no reason to stop now. So, no, it's not "overanalyzed." In fact, the real answer is it's underanalyzed.

 

I wrote an answer to this a while back, and I'll do it here. There was anger in spots because the Twilicorn was poorly executed. If her ascension was well-written, then it wouldn't be such a controversy.

I'm not saying poorly written episodes are good with morals I'm just saying the story doesn't have to be super amazing for the moral to work, so you can have an okay episode and a good moral would still work.

At least many of the "bad" episodes aren't as poorly written as the Spongebob episode A Pal for Gary which is painfully written. That's an episode so bad for a kids show.

Beautiful poetry about Rarity.

If you're going to do all the Mario and Zelda series you have to do a lot of the obscure ones too like CDi games and Mario Teaches Typing 2. Unless you're only doing main series.

One of my favorites is Mother 3 soundtrack.

Too bad Disney XD is getting all the action shows like Star Wars and Marvel. I still kind of like Cartoon Network's comedy shows but they really need to balance them out with more action shows.

I was all eyes on the 3DS in 2010. I pretty much spent most of my time in 2010 and 2011 on the internet looking up 3DS News.

Eh, I definitely felt Avatar or Korra deserved a spot. Though I have to give it to you for including Blue's Clue's.

I put Avatar and Korra in Honorable Mentions.

Personally, I feel Ned's Decalssified is best Nick live action show.

I never actually saw much of that show to be honest.

Pretty good. Where are you moving to?

Near San Jose which means I will be closer to Babscon!

I have a trouble finding my favorites such as Pit, Lucario, Villager, and Ness. There's a Lucas and Mewtwo amiibos coming out, I hope I don't miss those. 

No Ultima Underworld?

No Dark Forces?

No Morrowind?

 

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Sorry, this is my top 10 PC games list which means I can do whatever I want with it. With consoles however I tend to have more popular games as some of my favorites. But in case you aren't aware I have a Dreamcast and Shenmue is one of my favorites mainly because it was simple for me.

Have you considered a PS3? I got one for Christmas after having no new systems for years. The games are a lot cheaper than the PS4 ones, and if you don't already have one, you have a shit ton of games to choose from.

Maybe if I have enough money but I'm not sure yet. I mainly want a PS4 for Kingdom Hearts III but it's not coming out on PS3. Besides there aren't any KH games on PS3 besides the remakes which I can already play the originals on PS2. I could buy a PS3 to get remastered versions of those games but I feel more like spending money on completely new games. Besides I still like the PS2's library better so I might just skip PS3 all together. Besides PS4 has a really comfortable controller.

Hah! I have never done an April Fools prank in years. So because Season 5 was coming out I thought it would be the perfect time to make this joke.

We haven't even seen her full potential yet and she's not changing back. And it's called character development.

Also:

Where's Sonic X, Pokémon, Yu Gi Oh, Kirby, Doraemon, Naruto, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Youkai Watch, Sailor Moon, Lucky Star, etc?

I just want simple mini games starring their characters but not full games.

You and me both! Yummy Yummy.

Yeah I made a thread about a potential Disney Smash Bros. game.

Anyway do Top 10 Japan Only games. Here's an example: Mother 3

Oh it's a rick roll

I have aspergers syndrome too. I do have some of the traits you listed, and I tend to pace a lot, get anxiety or depression, and I have huge interests in cartoons.