Should Trixie have been punished?

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

Most magicians don't physically attack their audience

Also, that's just blowing it way out of proportion to suit your own argument. While what she did in Boast Busters was mean, don't forget that A.) They were also being mean to her and B.) I didn't see them in too much agony. Rarity cried, yes, but she's a very sensitive pony and spends a lot of time on her mane She also usually rebounds emotionally very quickly, and probably just fixed herself up in the Carousel Boutique and that was that.

 

As for the other two, I didn't see them very hurt at all. So that's just blowing things way out of proportion.

 

She lost everything because of her own pride. Trixie was pathetic and was probably so weak, Tirek didn't even bother draining her magic

No, she lost everything because she was driven out of town and humiliated by Twilight and her friends because she was called out for her bad behavior. 

 

She was harassed, her wagon was vandalized, and she had to work on a rock farm. Personally, I think that's punishment enough in of itself, and I don't see how someone can support anything being treated so poorly. That's just wrong and I don't know about you, but I don't think her treatment was justified in the slightest - at least what happened after Boast Busters and before Magic Duel.

 

[Sugar Pea 2,683]

I don't think Sombra got the memo

Most magicians don't physically attack their audience

Maybe not...but if we are comparing RL to MLP. Magicians are usually more than happy to challenge their "magic".

[Hive King 2,001]

Also, that's just blowing it way out of proportion to suit your own argument. While what she did in Boast Busters was mean, don't forget that A.) They were also being mean to her and B.) I didn't see them in too much agony. Rarity cried, yes, but she's a very sensitive pony and spends a lot of time on her mane She also usually rebounds emotionally very quickly, and probably just fixed herself up in the Carousel Boutique and that was that.

 

As for the other two, I didn't see them very hurt at all. So that's just blowing things way out of proportion.

 

Oh, yes, very mean. All they said was

Applejack: Nothin' at all, 'cept in when someone goes around showin' it off like a school filly with fancy new ribbons. Rarity: Just because one has the ability to perform lots of magic does not make one better than the rest of us. Rainbow Dash: Especially when ya got me around being better than the rest of us. [laughter] Eh, I mean, yeah, uh, magic shmagic. Boo!

 

There was nothing mean there, just them pointing out that Trixie shouldn't show off as much

 

 

I didn't see them in too much agony. Rarity cried, yes, but she's a very sensitive pony and spends a lot of time on her mane

By that logic, I can slap someone across the face if they're heckling me and get away with it because "They weren't in too much agony". She still attacked them

 

Maybe not...but if we are comparing RL to MLP. Magicians are usually more than happy to challenge their "magic".

Yeah, but imagine a magician slapping a heckler across the face and going "lo, u suck"

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

By that logic, I can slap someone across the face if they're heckling me and get away with it because "They weren't in too much agony". She still attacked them

Did anyone get slapped, though? I don't think they did. All I saw was a mane get messed up, a pony get hogtied, and a pony (who's used to going at incredibly fast speeds) get spun around really quickly, so it probably didn't affect her that badly considering she's able to break the color barrier with the sheer amount of speed she possesses.

[Silver Letter 1,832]

 

 

Quantity plays a large role in the difference between the two

She could have been the next Sombra. She already had plans to take over all of Equestria. At the very least, there should have been some house arrest going on. Maybe have her locked in a tower for a while. 

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

She could have been the next Sombra. She already had plans to take over all of Equestria. At the very least, there should have been some house arrest going on. Maybe have her locked in a tower for a while. 

Could've would've should've, but she didn't. 

 

Again, if you're going to look at all the bad things that could've been done, look at Twilight in Lesson Zero. Wasn't she driving the entire city insane over a doll with her magic? It could've gotten much worse, man,  since she was abusing her magic to try and trick the town into letting her write a friendship letter, just because she had nothing to write about - but it didn't.

 

Edited July 24, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Jeric 46,880]

If Sunset Shimmer, the would be kidnapper of souls and invader of ALL of Equestria gets away with having to rebuild a wall (which she would probably make Snips and Snails do anyway) and becoming friends with the other mane 5 ... then Trixie is fine.  

 

I mean, she really didn't do anything majorly wrong in Boast Busters ... but had her reputation ruined. She gets a pass. Her anger was partially justified. Maybe make her poor and travel around pulling an 8*8 room ... oh wait. Yeah. Poor Mare.

[Hive King 2,001]

Did anyone get slapped, though? I don't think they did. All I saw was a mane get messed up, a pony get hogtied, and a pony (who's used to going at incredibly fast speeds) get spun around really quickly, so it probably didn't affect her that badly considering she's able to break the color barrier with the sheer amount of speed she possesses.

You're missing the point, she still attacked them

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

You're missing the point, she still attacked them

No, I'm not. You're just blowing it out of proportion.

 

She attacked them, yes, but just because she attacked them doesn't necessarily mean that it did a lot of harm, and it didn't.

 

Using just the guideline of "She attacked them and therefore it's wrong regardless of the damage done" is like saying that stabbing someone and slapping someone are of the same degree, even though one just leaves a red mark on your face while the other one is potentially fatal. And hell, she didn't even do the damage a slap would've done.

 

[Jeric 46,880]

You're missing the point, she still attacked them

 

That's wasn't an 'attack' ... at least in my view.

[Hive King 2,001]

No, I'm not. You're just blowing it out of proportion.

 

She attacked them, yes, but just because she attacked them doesn't necessarily mean that it did a lot of harm, and it didn't.

 

Using just the guideline of "She attacked them and therefore it's wrong regardless of the damage done" is like saying that stabbing someone and slapping someone are of the same degree, even though one just leaves a red mark on your face while the other one is potentially fatal. And hell, she didn't even do the damage a slap would've done.

 

She felt the need to humiliate them for no reason, they had done nothing wrong

That's wasn't an 'attack' ... at least in my view.

So if I hog tie someone who doesn't like my show and then toss them off the stage, that's fine?

[NightGuard 251]

She lost everything because of her own pride. Trixie was pathetic and was probably so weak, Tirek didn't even bother draining her magic

So the Mane 6 had All Right to Interrupt the show just cause you think she's over exaggerating.. Well she is a fucking magician, that's what she's supposed to do Rainbow Dash.

 

You expect her to say this?

 

"Well I can't do this or that, but I can however tie someone up in rope."

 

It's like they never seen a show performance before!

[Silver Letter 1,832]

Could've would've should've, but she didn't. 

 

Again, if you're going to look at all the bad things that could've been done, look at Twilight in Lesson Zero. Wasn't she driving the entire city insane over a doll with her magic? It could've gotten much worse, man,  since she was abusing her magic to try and trick the town into letting her write a friendship letter, just because she had nothing to write about - but it didn't.

 

The difference is that Trixie is evil and driven by jealousy, regardless of the fact that she is a neat character overall. Twilight made a mistake but she had no ill intentions. She simply didn't know how to fix the problem she created. With Trixie, all her problems from "Boast Busters" were her own. She is probably not even a legit magician. At least they wouldn't go around calling themselves all powerful but having nothing to back it up with. She even believes her own lies, making her like a cult leader that is so pathetic that she can only gain impressionable foals as followers.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

She felt the need to humiliate them for no reason, they had done nothing wrong

Or you can just follow what actually happened and remember that it was a mutually agreed upon challenge that was brought upon by them heckling her.

 

It wasn't like she held them against their will and forced them to do it - they were all rearing to go.

 

So if I hog tie someone who doesn't like my show and then toss them off the stage, that's fine?

Read my post where I explained about the differences in damage done to you, please - I don't feel like reiterating myself.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

So the Mane 6 had All Right to Interrupt the show just cause you think she's over exaggerating.. Well she is a fucking magician, that's what she's supposed to do Rainbow Dash.

They didn't interrupt the show, I posted the exact quote 5 seconds earlier. They did nothing 

 

 

You expect her to say this? "Well I can't do this or that, but I can however tie someone up in rope." It's like they never seen a show performance before!

Yeah, but in this case, she's putting people in literal danger. It's like Gilderoy Lockhart and his claims of being able to beat magical beasts, in a magical world, your claims are taken seriously because some people can actually do them 

Or you can just follow what actually happened and remember that it was a mutually agreed upon challenge that was brought upon by them heckling her.

It wasn't like she held them against their will and forced them to do it - they were all rearing to go.
 

Read my post where I explained about the differences in damage done to you, please - I don't feel like reiterating myself.

Trixie didn't really beat them challenge wise. She humiliated them, yes, but she didn't actually beat them in a challenge. Not exactly cheating, but close to it.

 

And they certainly weren't trying to tie her up or spin her around

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

The difference is that Trixie is evil and driven by jealousy, regardless of the fact that she is a neat character overall. Twilight made a mistake but she had no ill intentions. She simply didn't know how to fix the problem she created. With Trixie, all her problems from "Boast Busters" were her own. She is probably not even a legit magician. At least they wouldn't go around calling themselves all powerful but having nothing to back it up with. She even believes her own lies, making her like a cult leader that is so pathetic that she can only gain impressionable foals as followers.

1.) There's a difference between being evil and being arrogant. RD is arrogant, is she evil?

 

2.) She wasn't driven by jealousy in Magic Duel, she was driven by anger over what happened in Boast Busters.

 

3.) No, Twilight abused the power she had with her magic to create that problem in the first place, so that way she could fix it just to write a letter to Princess Celestia. It was dangerous because it could be done over and over again by her.

 

4.) Not really many magicians are "legit." Like Trixie, their performances are driven by smoke & mirrors.

 

5.) Believes her own lies? Eh. I actually have an essay over why she believes she's so great and powerful, but I don't want to dig it up unless I need to. If you want to see it, just ask.

 

Trixie didn't really beat them challenge wise. She humiliated them, yes, but she didn't actually beat them in a challenge. Not exactly cheating, but close to it.

 

And they certainly weren't trying to tie her up or spin her around

No, I'm pretty sure she beat them. They tried showing her up and she responded by showing them up, even if her tactics were questionable.

 

Also, again, it looks like I'll have to quote this because THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between doing severe damage and doing minor damage.

 

 

No, I'm not. You're just blowing it out of proportion.

 

She attacked them, yes, but just because she attacked them doesn't necessarily mean that it did a lot of harm, and it didn't.

 

Using just the guideline of "She attacked them and therefore it's wrong regardless of the damage done" is like saying that stabbing someone and slapping someone are of the same degree, even though one just leaves a red mark on your face while the other one is potentially fatal. And hell, she didn't even do the damage a slap would've done.

 

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

No, I'm pretty sure she beat them. They tried showing her up and she responded by showing them up, even if her tactics were questionable.

She beat them yeah, but it wasn't at their own game. AJ's rope tricks were more impressive than Trixie's snake wiggle and RD's trick was more impressive than just putting on the spin cycle. RD and AJ weren't going after her, she was

[Jeric 46,880]

She felt the need to humiliate them for no reason, they had done nothing wrong

So if I hog tie someone who doesn't like my show and then toss them off the stage, that's fine?

 

If they willingly accepted her challenge, sure. Remember that I pointed to Sunset Shimmer. Many of my opinions on the actions and consequences of the show are directly related to frames of reference I'm given.  You see, since I saw Equestria Girls before I ever watched Boast Busters I think my reasoning is valid. The antagonists punishments keep validating my argument too.

 

Next we'll start saying that Flim and Flam should be punished for their first appearance

[Hive King 2,001]

If they willingly accepted her challenge, sure. Remember that I pointed to Sunset Shimmer. Many of my opinions on the actions and consequences of the show are directly related to frames of reference I'm given.  You see, since I saw Equestria Girls before I ever watched Boast Busters I think my reasoning is valid. The antagonists punishments keep validating my argument too.

 

Next we'll start saying that Flim and Flam should be punished for their first appearance

Flim and Flam didn't do anything wrong though. 

 

Their product worked as told if Granny Smith's reaction means anything, and their deal would have benefitted the apples since they made 5x barrels per every one the Apples made. 

 

Their second appearance definitely got them punished if their reaction is anything

[Jeric 46,880]

The difference is that Trixie is evil and driven by jealousy, regardless of the fact that she is a neat character overall. Twilight made a mistake but she had no ill intentions. She simply didn't know how to fix the problem she created. With Trixie, all her problems from "Boast Busters" were her own. She is probably not even a legit magician. At least they wouldn't go around calling themselves all powerful but having nothing to back it up with. She even believes her own lies, making her like a cult leader that is so pathetic that she can only gain impressionable foals as followers.

 

Trixie isn't portrayed as evil. And regarding magical ability ... she bent light into a physical form. That is pretty impressive.

 

BTW Trixie = Eminem

 

*drops mic

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

She beat them yeah, but it wasn't at their own game. AJ's rope tricks were more impressive than Trixie's snake wiggle and RD's trick was more impressive than just putting on the spin cycle. RD and AJ weren't going after her, she was

You just said she didn't beat them, though Also, I can say that the impressiveness of the feats is subjective. Lest we forget she did more than just a "snake wiggle" she bound a full grown mare, and a rather strong one at that, and she created a minituare tornado using her own magic. It was more than just a "spin cycle."

 

And no, if it's a mutually agreed upon challenge, as Trixie challenged them and they accepted, then they're both going after each other. They were going after her by trying to show her up.

 

 

Flim and Flam didn't do anything wrong though.

Because lying to needy people to push their fake product and trying to cheat a family out of their home for profit is okay?

Edited July 24, 2014 by ghostfacekiller39

[Sunny Fox 5,960]

Just a quick point some people seem to have forgotten. After the spinny thing, she also zapped Rainbow Dash with lightning, essentially kicking her when she was down. That seems slightly mean.

 

On the Trixie support side, her wagon was destroyed largely thanks to the stupidity of Snips and Snails, so saying the "townsponies were responsible for it" is not so incorrect.

[Hive King 2,001]

 

 

You just said she didn't beat them, though Also, I can say that the impressiveness of the feats is subjective. Lest we forget she did more than just a "snake wiggle" she bound a full grown mare, and a rather strong one at that, and she created a minituare tornado using her own magic. It was more than just a "spin cycle."

Tying a knot is easy, we didn't see her using magic on the rope afterwards, AJ is just not strong enough to break the knot.

 

And the tornado is nothing compared to the parasprite tornado

 

 

Because lying to needy people to push their fake product and trying to cheat a family out of their home for profit is okay?

I was referring to their first appearance. In that one, their profit worked as promised and while they were cruel businessmen, they weren't doing anything legally wrong

 

Second appearance, they had the crowd running them out of town for good reason 

[Silver Letter 1,832]

1.) There's a difference between being evil and being arrogant. RD is arrogant, is she evil?

 

2.) She wasn't driven by jealousy in Magic Duel, she was driven by anger over what happened in Boast Busters.

 

3.) No, Twilight abused the power she had with her magic to create that problem in the first place, so that way she could fix it just to write a letter to Princess Celestia. It was dangerous because it could be done over and over again by her.

 

4.) Not really many magicians are "legit." Like Trixie, their performances are driven by smoke & mirrors.

 

5.) Believes her own lies? Eh. I actually have an essay over why she believes she's so great and powerful, but I don't want to dig it up unless I need to. If you want to see it, just ask.

 

No, I'm pretty sure she beat them. They tried showing her up and she responded by showing them up, even if her tactics were questionable.

 

Also, again, it looks like I'll have to quote this because THERE IS A DIFFERENCE between doing severe damage and doing minor damage.

 

1) Trixie is just arrogant during "Boast Busters" but by the end of "Magic Duel", she is King Sombra level evil.

2) If she is not driven by Jealousy then why does she have to prove herself as the stronger to Twilight so badly?

3) That is true but I still don't think you can compare the two situations.

4) Any real magician does not need to invent fake stories of their deeds like Trixie did.

[ghostfacekiller39 23,874]

Tying a knot is easy, we didn't see her using magic on the rope afterwards, AJ is just not strong enough to break the knot.

 

And the tornado is nothing compared to the parasprite tornado

So she can kick a tree clean of all of it's apples using her back hooves but she's unable to break a knot? I find that hard to believe.

 

Also, Twilight's magic is much more powerful than normal Trixie's, so that's not really much of a fair comparison

 

I was referring to their first appearance. In that one, their profit worked as promised and while they were cruel businessmen, they weren't doing anything legally wrong

 

Second appearance, they had the crowd running them out of town for good reason 

Legally wrong? No, they were cool on that. Morally wrong? Yeahh. What they were trying to do to the Apple Family showed a lot of moral bankruptcy.

 

And yeahh, they did Same with the first appearance, because I remember them getting ganged up on by the citizens of Ponyville because of that cheap cider they produced Trixie also got ran out of town during her first appearance, and her second appearance she just left quietly during the ceremony, giving Twilight the fireworks to help make her performance more spectacular.