FIM Theory: Magic doesn't exist

[Tetrakemy 221]

 

 

 

Sorry for the large photo above, but it is clear that we read it in order to understand the premise of the idea. It has been mathematically calculated that the speeds at which Rainbow dash travel, let alone accelerate at should be impossible for that character. Furthermore, other calculations is the fact that Applejack should be easily snapping those tree's in half and could obliterate any human with a single kick. We also have ponies who control the weather and can actually touch, sleep on and move clouds as if they were physical objects which we know is impossible. 

 

The sun and moon are "controlled" as if they revolve around the world which we know is a complete lie. Actually, this is a main thing about the series that makes me really REALLY angry. 

 

Indoctrinating children with ancient stuff like that...GRRRR....BUT its a cartoon and we are sure to teach them later that is not the case and you cannot control the sun and moon like that......or can you?

 

What if Celestias power was NOT to control the sun, but to actually physically move the actual planet around itself? What if lunas power was that of gravity as well, but her power is much weaker so she can only effect the moons position within the sky?

 

We all know that they have not and do not continually control both celestial bodies 100% of the time. The world was confirmed to be around well before they ever were born and they were born. So, the weather, the sun, and moon had to of gotten along way before any ponies ever came along to do stuff with it! 

 

So what changed? Well, I think that the "magic" they talk about in general is really just a super high level of science! 

Why else would earth ponies be able to plant seeds and watch as they almost immediately sprout? 

 

Is there any evidence in the show itself, comics or anywhere that might also help point that these ponies are not using magic, that magic doesn't exist, rather they are just a race of sentient beings with technology far greater then our own? Technology and science know how that goes so far beyond what we can understand that we just "think" it is magic because its indistinguishable from it? 

[SilverStarApple 849]

You raise interesting points. I suppose you also think of magic as telekinesis, and advanced magic as mere party tricks performed with said telekinetic power.

 

Twilight's Alicornification. Explain that.

[11th Doctor Whooves 794]

But its referred to as magic on the show, and if it were technology, wouldn't everyone know how to do it, rather than being limited to the Unicorns, Alicorns and Discord?  How do you explain the aging spell that Trixie uses?

 

It's an interesting theory, and has some points, but I just don't think it fits.

[SilverStarApple 849]

But its referred to as magic on the show, and if it were technology, wouldn't everyone know how to do it, rather than being limited to the Unicorns, Alicorns and Discord?  How do you explain the aging spell that Trixie uses?

 

It's an interesting theory, and has some points, but I just don't think it fits.

It's possible that the aging spell involves expanding the telekinetic field over a target, and either changing how time flows in that area or artificially aging the cells of the victim/target.

[Tetrakemy 221]

But its referred to as magic on the show, and if it were technology, wouldn't everyone know how to do it, rather than being limited to the Unicorns, Alicorns and Discord?  How do you explain the aging spell that Trixie uses?

 

It's an interesting theory, and has some points, but I just don't think it fits.

 

While true it is referred to as magic, there can be a number of reasons. They could be somehow doing it without realizing what they are doing. 

 

The aging spell is quite easy...see picture above lol. If it is possible to set the age clock backwards, setting it forwards would be a simple task as well. 

 

Discord is obviously a lot like Q from star trek. He is omnipotent in the sense that there is "almost" nothing he can do. I have thought about how the different races of ponies like alicorns and pegasi. It could be that the species is split somehow. Q from star trek can have his "omnipotence" taken away from him by his council or elders or whatever it was called.

 

It might be possible that each of the ponies are a single race. The race that IS alicorns. Also think of it as the Tau from Warhammer 40k. Each person is born into a predetermined caste. Each caste has its own authority, duty, and physical traits of the race. 

 

So we have alicorns whom "just like Q" are granted the full status of their race. Then below them in the next caste or race of ponies is the unicorns who are allowed to make use of their magic.  Unicorns are obviously the masters as they have full use of magic and can do anything. Plus alicorns are just a pair of wings away from them and all known Alicorns are royalty and destined to rule, therefor, I can assert that social order dictates they are next  in line.

 

Then below them are the Pegasi which are given the gift of winged flight. These ponies make up the military as we all know because of their mobility and military background.

 

Then we have earth ponies with their limited growing magic. They are the work horses as we all know! the bakers, farmers, and so on. They have no magic, no flight and are the bottom of the barrel, but have the highest range of special talents and jobs to do in life. 

 

Because Twilight became an alicorn, we know that everypony must have the ability to become so. Twilight did not BECOME an alicorn though. She was "MADE" into an alicorn by Celestias powers. She was granted her power. 

 

remember Tirrek? She was "granted" that power. Those gifts and special abilities. My theory on that is the energy of whatever that power is was transferred. The magic itself is a energy source and the science they know is how to use it. 

[SilverStarApple 849]

While true it is referred to as magic, there can be a number of reasons. They could be somehow doing it without realizing what they are doing. 

 

The aging spell is quite easy...see picture above lol. If it is possible to set the age clock backwards, setting it forwards would be a simple task as well. 

 

Discord is obviously a lot like Q from star trek. He is omnipotent in the sense that there is "almost" nothing he can do. I have thought about how the different races of ponies like alicorns and pegasi. It could be that the species is split somehow. Q from star trek can have his "omnipotence" taken away from him by his council or elders or whatever it was called.

 

It might be possible that each of the ponies are a single race. The race that IS alicorns. Also think of it as the Tau from Warhammer 40k. Each person is born into a predetermined caste. Each caste has its own authority, duty, and physical traits of the race. 

 

So we have alicorns whom "just like Q" are granted the full status of their race. Then below them in the next caste or race of ponies is the unicorns who are allowed to make use of their magic.  Unicorns are obviously the masters as they have full use of magic and can do anything. Plus alicorns are just a pair of wings away from them and all known Alicorns are royalty and destined to rule, therefor, I can assert that social order dictates they are next  in line.

 

Then below them are the Pegasi which are given the gift of winged flight. These ponies make up the military as we all know because of their mobility and military background.

 

Then we have earth ponies with their limited growing magic. They are the work horses as we all know! the bakers, farmers, and so on. They have no magic, no flight and are the bottom of the barrel, but have the highest range of special talents and jobs to do in life. 

 

Because Twilight became an alicorn, we know that everypony must have the ability to become so. Twilight did not BECOME an alicorn though. She was "MADE" into an alicorn by Celestias powers. She was granted her power. 

 

remember Tirrek? She was "granted" that power. Those gifts and special abilities. My theory on that is the energy of whatever that power is was transferred. The magic itself is a energy source and the science they know is how to use it.

I like this theory.

 

But what of magical creatures, like the Cockatrice and Manticore? How does the stone gaze function?

[Tetrakemy 221]

I like this theory.

 

But what of magical creatures, like the Cockatrice and Manticore? How does the stone gaze function?

 

good question! Maybe it is some sort of forced fossilization? http://www.livescience.com/37781-how-do-fossils-form-rocks.html

 

I forget how to explain fossilization, I think it has to do with replacing everything with carbon atoms over period of time or whatever. Link should tell all. 

 

Somehow it fossilizes in super speed. Or perhaps they create some sort of Star wars like carbonite like gas or liquid out of their body. But it is so slow they need to somehow transfix you so you cannot wont notice your body going numb as they start covering your body with it. So they are somehow are able to do mild psycho suggestions to make you look them in the eyes so when they fling, pour or ooze out the rock stuff that covers you and hardens instantly around you making it look like you turn to stone, noticing it would break the "spell" and you could break out of it early enough to break your way out. 

 

You got me on how the creature falling unconscious or dying etc, would break whatever it has already done. When it saw its reflection, maybe it gets confused somehow and accidentally starts to cover itself thinking that is it's new prey?

 

manticore could just be a animal like how everything else is maybe?

[sweetolebob18 728]

Well, I have often said there is something VERY weird about tech levels in MLP.  It's almost like there is some sort of "Out of sight, out of mind" law of nature.  Tech level in Manehatten is at least 50-60 years ahead of Ponyville, for instance.  Even assuming Ponyville is a deliberately low tech area (like the Amish IRL), they should have at least HEARD of higher tech, but T has no clue about Earth tech in the EQ movies.

 

And yet, they don't freak when confronted with higher tech.  Some sort of "pay no attention to the Man Behind The Curtain" is clearly going on.

[Jammo 986]

You raise interesting points. I suppose you also think of magic as telekinesis, and advanced magic as mere party tricks performed with said telekinetic power.

 

Twilight's Alicornification. Explain that.

Nanomachines. Just kidding.

 

Friendship is Magic uses a magic IS a science approach. A lot of fantasy series do. It allows a grounded exploration of Magic as a concept the audience can relate to. It's a field you can research and be taught in. But science is not the same thing as technology. You could argue magic in FiM is a type of engineering... But I'm not convinced technology.

[Queen Sparkle 104]

Then how do you explain the sirens and the fact that it was in fact not Celestia that gave Twilight her alicorn status

[Tetrakemy 221]

Then how do you explain the sirens and the fact that it was in fact not Celestia that gave Twilight her alicorn status

Celestia DID give Her alicorn status. It didn't just happen randomly. 

[RainbowTashie 378]

i think the show is too lighthearted to even attempt to delve into that

[Jammo 986]

Celestia DID give Her alicorn status. It didn't just happen randomly. 

 

Which plays into "Magic is a science" theory.  Doesn't make it technology.  It is a gift Celestia is capable of giving, and she knows the science to make it happen.  Technology is something a bit more specific, and requires it to be an invention of ponies.  If it's in their nature, something they can just do so it's a discovery, not an invention.  So it's science, not technology.

 

Also Magic doesn't have to be random and vague.  In a fantasy world magic can follow it's own internal logic, as long as it's set.

 

Edit:  Sorry.  I didn't read your full post, just the picture.  But I stand by magic existing in equestria, but the rules of "Magic" are vague in real life so I think magic can be whatever the writer wants it to be.

Edited January 16, 2015 by Jammo

[SilverStarApple 849]

It's always possible that all ponies ARE Alicorns, just different races/castes of them with certain aspects of their abilities locked to ensure that society only works when each section of the race does what it is born to do.

 

Cutie Marks, on the other hand? Psychological. Upon reaching an epiphany/enlightenment, the mark is revealed. This mark is in the pony since birth, granting a certain type of mind/personality to the pony. Farmers become determined to farm and not give up when it gets hard, librarians and magicians gain organised and efficient minds perfect for remembering spells and winning magic duels, and so on. The marks do allow for some variation, and it's probably not strong enough to completely override a pony's personality, just add a new aspect in.

[Justin_Case001 4,907]

It's always possible that all ponies ARE Alicorns, just different races/castes of them with certain aspects of their abilities locked to ensure that society only works when each section of the race does what it is born to do.

It's like Forerunners, with the builders, warriros, and lifeworkers.  Maybe Celestia will give Twilight her imprint in the movie, and Twilight will become a second Celestia, like Bornstellar and the Didact.  Ur-Celestia, and Iso-Celestia.  That would be friggin awesome.

[VitalSpark 1,830]

I don't think the magic of Equestria is explainable as advanced technology. However, I don't think it's supposed to be something spooky and supernatural either.

 

In our universe we have four fundamental physical forces: the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, electromagnetism, and gravity. (Gravity is the most mysterious and least understood of them.)

 

Equestria is a parallel universe, and has entirely different physics, and (I believe) a different set of fundamental forces. They certainly have gravity, and we've seen evidence of electromagnetism too (lightning, and well, light). They may or may not have nuclear forces similar to ours, but certainly there must be some forces holding matter together. But I think they also have another force which they refer to as "magic". (Or perhaps several forces that they collectively refer to as "magic".)

 

Magic is not supernatural, but a physical force that can be studied scientifically, and potentially harnessed by technology. Certain species in Equestria have evolved the ability to make use of magic, just like many species in our world have evolved the abilities to make use of electromagnetism. (Many bird species navigate using the earth's magnetic field; electric eels generate electricity; our nervous systems and brains run on very low voltage electricity; and let's not forget that we have two great big electromagnetic radiation detectors right in the middle of our faces!)

[Sceethe 704]

Now, that´s an interesting headcanon!

 

I don´t approve of it, since it IS a cartoon set in a fantasy setting, thus making it okay to say that magic exists in this world.

 

You shouldn´t assume that children will be as dumb to think that the magic in the show must be real, i think they will be able to seperate the moral messages from the show from the fantasy element.

 

Also, it is pretty clear that the magic of Equestria is, indeed, magic.

We see Unicorns levitating stuff around, Spells and various mythological creatures.