ooc Fallout Equestria: Endeavor

[Steel Accord 6,660]

He did lower his weapon. I think he is using gm magic to make him higher level then the party.

 

 

I hope not :/

 

 

I also think this guy is a plot device for the RP's advancement. Now also the group will need to split. One to go after him and one to where Dashia told them 'Cloudsdayle' is.

 

What Unicorn said. I hate it when GMs have to invoke Rule Zero. It also goes against the rules of the universe, every single Fallout character has a S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and list of skill stats, it's just how the setting works. If Virtue's speech skill is at the highest level and her Charisma at ten, she should be able to turn a slaver into an abolitionist with a five minute pep talk!

Edited May 2, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Defender of Tomorrow 323]

Scribble post gave me the impression that his sword was close to her neck, so if he wanted to kill her he would have to lunge the furthest he could leaving him vulnerable.

 

Also he does have 9 intelligence to know better but her speech and charisma did save her life and give her the opportunity to get the information still.

And the slaver comparison is good to show her effect on NPCs, if it had that effect on players then she would theoretically control our characters

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Scribble post gave me the impression that his sword was close to her neck, so if he wanted to kill her he would have to lunge the furthest he could leaving him vulnerable.

 

Also he does have 9 intelligence to know better but her speech and charisma did save her life and give her the opportunity to get the information still.

And the slaver comparison is good to show her effect on NPCs, if it had that effect on players then she would theoretically control our characters

 

Since you, as the GM are controlling him though, doesn't that technically make him an NPC?

[Defender of Tomorrow 323]

Technicalities are just going to get us nowhere and frustrate us more, lets just wait for scribble to post and I'll edit if I need to.

[Midnight_Aurora 571]

To be honest, why do you think I deferred the battle to Ezekiel? His speach skill was higher then mine. Even though I have a 7 cha and an 8 int. I just looked at his speech skill and compared it to mine. His being higher gave him the win on that. So i have to say I am with defender on this one.

 

I say speech should be an aposed roll between players if skill is about even.

[Scribblegroove 565]

I'm back! Kinda...

 

I read the ooc already, but I don't really have the time right now. I can post in an hour or two

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

NP

 

How have the performances been

[Scribblegroove 565]

It wasn't a performance, that was while a go. I was at a LARP event.

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

oh yea sorry larp. How did our dwarf druid do

[Unicorncob 5,694]

Did you cast Magic Missile at the darkness?

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

Druids don't do magic missile, they do acid bolts and entangles... and heals

[Scribblegroove 565]

I did no such thing! I have been doing various strange things that wouldn't make sense if I explained them, but it was all great and awesome!

 

I posted. I hope that my absence didn't cause the RP to die...

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

nah everyone has been a little busy

[Unicorncob 5,694]

I posted. I hope that my absence didn't cause the RP to die...

 

Not at all!

 

Though if Virtue could help with that safe, that'd be grand

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

Lol crackshot really wants that potential hug huh 

[Defender of Tomorrow 323]

Scribble I meant the post in OOC, Steel highlighted a potential problem we need to address now than later, Like how my character "resisted" your 100 speech and 10 Charisma. I was more than aware of the skill levels and SPECIAL levels, but how do we factor in the personality of a character and their background and other uncalculatable things?

[Scribblegroove 565]

Scribble I meant the post in OOC, Steel highlighted a potential problem we need to address now than later, Like how my character "resisted" your 100 speech and 10 Charisma. I was more than aware of the skill levels and SPECIAL levels, but how do we factor in the personality of a character and their background and other uncalculatable things?

Well reckoning that xerath could've just killed Virtue and gotten away with it I reckon sparing her life and giving the opportunity to meet up again very reasonable.

 

Though I do think that xerath could've been a bit more reasonable I can't complain.

[Unicorncob 5,694]

Lol crackshot really wants that potential hug huh 

 

Hey, the two of them need closure

[Defender of Tomorrow 323]

So should those uncalculatable factors allow us to "Resist" SPECIAL/SKILL to a certain degree? I don't want you all to say yeah just because im the GM if you guys have a problem with the way I do things or post then tell me I would rather get your input than have you leave the rp.

[Unicorncob 5,694]

So should those uncalculatable factors allow us to "Resist" SPECIAL/SKILL to a certain degree? I don't want you all to say yeah just because im the GM if you guys have a problem with the way I do things or post then tell me I would rather get your input than have you leave the rp.

 

Perhaps there's a perk or something that lets you do that?

At a much higher level perhaps, to make it more fair?

[Chip Circuit 1,842]

honestly you're the Dm you can do what you want, in my opinion when it comes to plot developing characters you can make them invincible for the time if they are needed later on. 

 

Granted Virtue did have some sway on him otherwise his personality would suggest he would of just cut her down. Otherwise if you feel that any player involvements are swaying your character from plot development you can make them resist. Now in Allie's case since she's actually a PC and part of the group she shouldn't have those benefits, but with this new pony if he isn't intended as a PC then do what you will with him

[Scribblegroove 565]

So should those uncalculatable factors allow us to "Resist" SPECIAL/SKILL to a certain degree? I don't want you all to say yeah just because im the GM if you guys have a problem with the way I do things or post then tell me I would rather get your input than have you leave the rp.

I think we should assess that per situation. In this case, the situation originally was: xerath will kill Virtue, or at least attempt to. Virtues incredible Speech changed that so he would keep het alive and give everypony an oppertunity to meet him again. If is because of xeraths mistrust and stubbornness that he didn't let himself be entirely convinced by virtue, besides that Virtue didn't have the strongest arguments.

 

In other situations things might be different though, and we should discuss them every time they occur in the ooc

 

 

See it like this. Speech and Charisma helps a lot, but you still need valid arguments and a good formulation for it to work.

 

Low level NPC'S are much easier to influence, but almost pc-like npcs or higher will be more difficult, though the stats still give an advantage.

 

 

Guys I'm going to have to go to bed I barely got any sleep last few days. I'll makes sure we can get things moving again tomorrow.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

So should those uncalculatable factors allow us to "Resist" SPECIAL/SKILL to a certain degree? I don't want you all to say yeah just because im the GM if you guys have a problem with the way I do things or post then tell me I would rather get your input than have you leave the rp.

 

Okay, yes, I do have a problem with that. Because the Fallout system is actually very good at reinforcing those kinds of ephemeral character traits WITH the hard codified system its created.

 

That's in part why I often have difficulty choosing perks and skill points, I'm not weighing the hard mechanical benefits, I'm deciding which of these fits in with my character at that particular point in their story. Several perks actually convey a good deal of characterization, some of which I actually ignore the gains of because it clashes with my character. (Like Pyromaniac. Yeah it makes the shish-kebab, my weapon of choice, more effective but it also means my character extracts a pathological joy from seeing things burn, which clashes with the identity I'm trying to craft.)

 

So when a character has maxed out charisma AND speech, then yes, ridiculous as it might seem, their persuasion should border on mind control. To give this a bit of justification though, The Master, President Eden, AND Legate Lanius were all fully committed to their cause and two of them were outright superhuman; yet a badass with a silver tongue was able to stop them with nothing but words. On the flip side, remember when Fluttershy was able to talk down a dragon that none of the Mane Six were able to beat with more physical methods?

 

I think we should assess that per situation. In this case, the situation originally was: xerath will kill Virtue, or at least attempt to. Virtues incredible Speech changed that so he would keep het alive and give everypony an oppertunity to meet him again. If is because of xeraths mistrust and stubbornness that he didn't let himself be entirely convinced by virtue, besides that Virtue didn't have the strongest arguments.

 

In other situations things might be different though, and we should discuss them every time they occur in the ooc

 

 

See it like this. Speech and Charisma helps a lot, but you still need valid arguments and a good formulation for it to work.

 

Low level NPC'S are much easier to influence, but almost pc-like npcs or higher will be more difficult, though the stats still give an advantage.

 

 

Guys I'm going to have to go to bed I barely got any sleep last few days. I'll makes sure we can get things moving again tomorrow.

 

Yes but the idea of the speech skill is that it conveys those good arguments. Speech is the argument that seals the deal, Charisma is the ephemeral charm that sweetens it.

 

Remember the King? Not exactly a fighter, barely any firepower, no high-tech, no superhuman abilities, yet he's the only one keeping Freeside from tearing itself apart. No one can quite pin down just WHAT makes everyone not want to hurt him or his boys, describing it just as "that special something" that "special something" is a maxed out Charm.

Perhaps there's a perk or something that lets you do that?

At a much higher level perhaps, to make it more fair?

 

We have a list of perks for a reason. If we are going to star just making up new perks to fit what we need, then that kills tension. Our characters may not know about it but we do, and we can't separate the two entirely in our heads.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Midnight_Aurora 571]

Lol. Can't really think of anything atm. Give me a bit.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Did you cast Magic Missile at the darkness?

 

 

That joke is old and you should feel old.