How come no one gets mad when Fluttershy throws RD's fears in her face?

[Uncle Apples 296]

But...Fluttershy was being nice. The writers just made it sound comical by making her point out the obvious, whilst still being innocent and caring.

[Mesme Rize 15,685]

Simple: Fluttershy gets a free pass at any ill behavior because she has risen through the ranks and achieved the image of "fandom sweetheart", while Rainbow - once the de facto mascot of the fandom - has fallen into disfavor. To such a degree, in fact, that ripping on her seems like it's the trendy thing to do nowadays. So yeah, it's really no surprise that nobody takes issue with FS wronging anyone (especially if it's RD), but the moment someone wrongs her, "ERMAFERKINGERD, ERM'A KERL U!"

 

Also, quite the overreaction by FS in the episode where she's so adverse to accompanying Rainbow to [something I can't quite recall atm, I think it was watching a dragon migration] that she stomps the shit outta her before fleeing out the window. I always seem to hear the argument that Rainbow was in the wrong for trying to coerce FS, but…y'know, I can't seem to recall the last time I just hauled off and socked my best friend in the gut for trying to strong-arm me into something I didn't want to do. All things considered, I have to go out on a limb and say that Rainbow's a pretty awesome pony for not holding that against her.

 

Yeah, i agree so much.

 

I remember at the reaction after the crystal empire. Remember the jousting scene with her and Rainbow Dash? The whole fandom where pitying her, because they thought that Rainbow Dash was mean to her, because she was jousting her with full force. NO SHE WASN'T. Rainbow Dash tries to bring out the best in her friend, just like she tried in Hurricane Fluttershy. Sometimes you have to force your friends to their limit and yes it can hurt sometimes, but your friends just want the best from you.

 

It became very easy these days to demonize all members of the Mane 6.

 

Rarity is a pompous snob

Fluttershy is a doormat

Pinkie Pie is annoying

Applejack is bland and forgettable

Rainbow Dash is an A-Hole

and Twilight Sparkle is a Mary Sue

 

See how easy it is?

[Thrashy 2,800]

Yeah, i agree so much.

 

I remember at the reaction after the crystal empire. Remember the jousting scene with her and Rainbow Dash? The whole fandom where pitying her, because they thought that Rainbow Dash was mean to her, because she was jousting her with full force. NO SHE WASN'T. Rainbow Dash tries to bring out the best in her friend, just like she tried in Hurricane Fluttershy. Sometimes you have to force your friends to their limit and yes it can hurt sometimes, but your friends just want the best from you.

 

It became very easy these days to demonize all members of the Mane 6.

 

Rarity is a pompous snob

Fluttershy is a doormat

Pinkie Pie is annoying

Applejack is bland and forgettable

Rainbow Dash is an A-Hole

and Twilight Sparkle is a Mary Sue

 

See how easy it is?

 

Exactly. A character's flaws make them three-dimensional and relatable...IF and ONLY IF you happen to like that character, apparently. If you don't like the character, well, their flaws are merely more evidence for what an irredeemable scumbag they are.

[Mesme Rize 15,685]

Exactly. A character's flaws make them three-dimensional and relatable...IF and ONLY IF you happen to like that character, apparently. If you don't like the character, well, their flaws are merely more evidence for what an irredeemable scumbag they are.

 

It became so annoying these days. I admit, i think that Flutters is my least favorite of the Mane 6, but even she has some qualities i like and Hurricane Fluttershy was a damn good episode. What became to liking all members of the Mane 6 to a certain degree?

[EpitomeOfTruth 243]

Exactly. A character's flaws make them three-dimensional and relatable...IF and ONLY IF you happen to like that character, apparently. If you don't like the character, well, their flaws are merely more evidence for what an irredeemable scumbag they are.

Yeah, i agree so much.

 

I remember at the reaction after the crystal empire. Remember the jousting scene with her and Rainbow Dash? The whole fandom where pitying her, because they thought that Rainbow Dash was mean to her, because she was jousting her with full force. NO SHE WASN'T. Rainbow Dash tries to bring out the best in her friend, just like she tried in Hurricane Fluttershy. Sometimes you have to force your friends to their limit and yes it can hurt sometimes, but your friends just want the best from you.

 

It became very easy these days to demonize all members of the Mane 6.

 

Rarity is a pompous snob

Fluttershy is a doormat

Pinkie Pie is annoying

Applejack is bland and forgettable

Rainbow Dash is an A-Hole

and Twilight Sparkle is a Mary Sue

 

See how easy it is?

 

These two posts sum up my thoughts. People love to drone on about flaws and stuff but then get mad at the characters and writers when they actually do make mistakes.

[Dulset Tarn 441]

I'd buy that if it wasn't made completely obvious in the beginning of the episode that Pinkie had absolutely no idea what stage fright was and its psychological effects on others.

From the very beginning of the episode:

 

Pinkie: Pie: "Everypony staring at you, judging you, jealously noting how they could be way better than you? Why wasn't it them? Why wasn't it them? And then, when you choke, they'll turn on you, becoming a seething, angry mob, and you'll be horribly humiliated, never able to show your face in Ponyville again!"

 

And then

Twilight Sparkle: "Stage fright isn't a disease, Pinkie. It just means that Fluttershy is scared to perform in front of everypony."

 

Then later:

Pinkie Pie: "But it must have been horrible standing there on stage, all eyes glued directly on you! It's like you were living your own personal worst nightmare!"

[EpitomeOfTruth 243]

From the very beginning of the episode:

 

Pinkie: Pie: "Everypony staring at you, judging you, jealously noting how they could be way better than you? Why wasn't it them? Why wasn't it them? And then, when you choke, they'll turn on you, becoming a seething, angry mob, and you'll be horribly humiliated, never able to show your face in Ponyville again!"

 

And thenTwilight Sparkle: "Stage fright isn't a disease, Pinkie. It just means that Fluttershy is scared to perform in front of everypony."

 

Then later:Pinkie Pie: "But it must have been horrible standing there on stage, all eyes glued directly on you! It's like you were living your own personal worst nightmare!"

That one sentence explanation clearly wasn't good enough to get Pinkie to comprehend. Be honest, do you really think that somepony whose main purpose is to make others smile, would knowingly and willingly throw someone else's fears in their face? Yeah, I don't either. What we have here is nothing more than Pinkie being oblivious to things that she does not fully understand. And before you cry "flanderization", do keep in mind that obliviousness has been one of her character traits since season 1.

[Dulset Tarn 441]

That one sentence explanation clearly wasn't good enough to get Pinkie to comprehend. Be honest, do you really think that somepony whose main purpose is to make others smile, would knowingly and willingly throw someone else's fears in their face? Yeah, I don't either. What we have here is nothing more than Pinkie being oblivious to things that she does not fully understand. And before you cry "flanderization", do keep in mind that obliviousness has been one of her character traits since season 1.

You mean like in the fifth episode of the whole series where she herself points out to Dash that Fluttershy is simply too sensitive to prank because even the tiniest thing would hurt her feelings? That's some real obliviousness to her friends' feelings right there.

 

Also you're acting like Pinkie couldn't visibly see Fluttershy crying from her assault.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Dulset Tarn

[EpitomeOfTruth 243]

You mean like in the fifth episode of the whole series where she herself points out to Dash that Fluttershy is simply too sensitive to prank because even the tiniest thing would hurt her feelings? That's some real obliviousness to her friends' feelings right there.

 

Alsocompassion acting like Pinkie couldn't visibly see Fluttershy crying from her assault.

More like the third episode, when she told the entire town of Ponyville about Twilight's extra gala ticket while knowing that she was already having trouble figuring out who to give it to between just five ponies. Or maybe in early season two, where she buys multiple cups of cider, indirectly preventing Rainbow from having any.

 

Pinkie is a master prankster, meaning that she also understands the effect it can have on others, positive or negative. Of course she realizes that pranking Fluttershy could potentially hurt her feelings. However, stage fright is something that, due to her extroverted nature, she does not fully understand, and thus could not show any compassion towards Fluttershy. Well, not in the correct way, at least.

 

And you're right, she could see Fluttershy crying. However, you're acting like she didn't try to fix her mistake, once she realized she was wrong, that is. Also, it's not an assault if it was unintentional.

[Dulset Tarn 441]

you're acting like she didn't try to fix her mistake, once she realized she was wrong, that is.

And how did she do that, pray tell?

[ManaMinori 4,145]

-sigh- ok, it's obvious there's people still divided, so let me try and make a case for Pinkie, here, regarding her confronting Fluttershy in "Filli Vanilli". (even though this topic is really meant to address Fluttershy's flaws and fans refusal to acknowledge them) -ahem-

In "Filli Vanilli", Pinkie has to be explained by Twilight as to what stage fright was, as BronyofJustice already pointed out, but most importantly I believe Pinkie said what she did how she said it, was because Pinkie doesn't have that filter that prevents her from saying things she shouldn't necessarily say. (go watch the video in my OP) One other thing is that Pinkie seems to think that being scared is fun. She knew enough not to prank Fluttershy, in "Griffon the Brush off", because the pranks she was pulling weren't making the ponies she pulled them on scared in any way, and Pinkie knew better that a prank that didn't make Fluttershy scared would just backfire, and hurt her, rather than having the intended effect the other pranks did. Now, the reason I say that Pinkie was likely trying to scare Fluttershy in "Filli Vanilli" was, as I said before- Pinkie equates being scared to having fun.  She shows this perfectly in Episode 1 of Season 1, where the other ponies are being scared and freaking out at the images in the trees, and Pinkie's having fun and laughing at the scary faces. Seen again in "Nightmare Night", when Pinkie's saying things in front of the other ponies, to get them to be scared of Luna, which she saw as being all in good fun, whole on the other hand, er...hoof, Luna was actually being hurt by what Pinkie was doing; riling the other ponies up and getting them to fear her. So Pinkie hasn't just been oblivious to Fluttershy's feelings, but Luna's also. But it was- in Pinkie's head- all in good fun. Keep in mind that this is Pinkie we're talking about. Yes, she's oblivious as heck, but it's her mission to put a smile on everypony's face. She just doesn't realize sometimes that what makes her smile and what she considers fun isn't always on the same page as other ponies'.....

[Dulset Tarn 441]

I have heard a rather... consistent case made for the idea that Pinkie masterminded the whole thing to show Fluttershy that singing on stage wasn't so bad. She voiced Fluttershy's irrational fears, orchestrated Big Mac's voice problem, knew Fluttershy would have to fill in, and after Fluttershy was exposed, she (quite painfully) demonstrated that even Fluttershy's worst fears weren't really all that bad in the end.

 

Personally I don't buy such ad hoc justifications, but as long as we're throwing these theories out there, this one should be on the table.

[Cloud Strife 928]

And you're right, she could see Fluttershy crying. However, you're acting like she didn't try to fix her mistake, once she realized she was wrong, that is. Also, it's not an assault if it was unintentional.

 

Except she didn't try to fix her mistake. Everypony else did it for her. Heck, she didn't even apologize. Her only acknowledgment of her wrongdoing the entire episode was basically her going "really? that doesn't help? whoops!"

[Abia 258]

Bias.
 
That's it. That's all there is to it.
 
I think what Fluttershy did in this episode was the right thing to do. I think what Pinkie Pie did in "Filli Vanilli" was the ri... okay, it wasn't right per se, but it was not even close to being an issue. I wrote a long post about that, somewhere. Here.

 

In a nonsensical way, I'm proud that Fluttershy actually remembered and applied a lesson from a previous episode, which she normally never ever ever ever ever does. 
 

...kindness can take many forms, and sometimes being too kind can actually keep a friend from doing what they need to do.

[Love//Hack 819]

Well, unlike Fluttershy who tried to cheer up and encourage Rainbow Dash in Sonic Rainboom although she did a horrible, god awful job at it, Pinkie Pie actually constantly repeated over and over again to throw pressure upon Fluttershy throughout Filli Vanilli and did it nonstop. She seriously kept repeating to shove it all down Fluttershy's throat and never take a short break take to remind Fluttershy of the situation. Fluttershy tried to encourage Rainbow Dash although what she said was highly unhelpful but she tried to encourage and help Rainbow Dash and didn't repeat the same thing she said to her about the sonic rainboom. Pinkie Pie constantly said things that can be viewed rather negatively and not once did her responses sound supportive. She often made very, very, totally unnessuary comments like "You kinda sounded like a dude." Like it's so stupid of how unnessuary and obvious that comment was. Possibly one of Pinkie's dialogue I hated most in Filli Vanilli. It just makes you sit there going like "No DUH Pinkie!"

 

Also, in "Gryffin the Brush Off" Pinkie Pie was angered by Gilda that she made Fluttershy and she hated seeing ponies unhappy or sad like in "A Friend In Deed". Yet, ironically, she acts like the opposite in Filli Vanilli.(Pinkie Pie was already my least favorite of the Mane Six before that episode. Yet she no longer is and sometimes even ties up as my second favorite.) But it still makes you want to faceplam hard whenever you watch that episode.

 

(Unless of course you downright hate Fluttershy. I perfer the other Mane Six and even Gilda over her anyways though personally but I don't really hate her.)

[TailsIsNotAlone 3,695]

Since the topic is bound to come up again after today's episode... (spoilers)

 

 

In this case Rainbow Dash needed to accept that she couldn't keep Tank with her for the winter, and was too stubborn to be persuaded with logic. Fluttershy knows that better than anyone, and she knew the only way to help Dash was to lay it on her. That's why she gets away with it--because with Dash it was the right thing to do, and Fluttershy was the right pony to do it. This wasn't her showing her dark side, this was her doing what had to be done.

 

 

...Whereas in Filli Vanilli, Pinkie was way out of line, repeatedly tormenting Fluttershy with her deepest fears. It was not the right way to talk to her, nor was Pinkie the right pony to get the message across. More to the point, it was also completely unnecessary. That's why I consider the first scene acceptable and the second one going too far. Not because "cute characters can do no wrong." (For the record, I think Pinkie is cuter than Fluttershy.)

[ManaMinori 4,145]

Since the topic is bound to come up again after today's episode... (spoilers)

 

 

In this case Rainbow Dash needed to accept that she couldn't keep Tank with her for the winter, and was too stubborn to be persuaded with logic. Fluttershy knows that better than anyone, and she knew the only way to help Dash was to lay it on her. That's why she gets away with it--because with Dash it was the right thing to do, and Fluttershy was the right pony to do it. This wasn't her showing her dark side, this was her doing what had to be done.

 

 

...Whereas in Filli Vanilli, Pinkie was way out of line, repeatedly tormenting Fluttershy with her deepest fears. It was not the right way to talk to her, nor was Pinkie the right pony to get the message across. More to the point, it was also completely unnecessary. That's why I consider the first scene acceptable and the second one going too far. Not because "cute characters can do no wrong." (For the record, I think Pinkie is cuter than Fluttershy.)

I keep seeing the argument being made that Pinkie was way out of line in Filli Vanilli, but I really don't think she was. And here's why. Looking at “Tanks for the memories” (and) “Sonic Rainboom” where Fluttershy adressed RD's fears in such a way that she's throwing them in her face and only making Rainbow worse- some would argue that Fluttershy is doing it deliberately- to allow RD to conquer her fears. But isn't doing something deliberately, not knowing whether it'll backfire or not, actually worse than if someone does something accidentally? In the case of Filli Vanilli, where people say Pinkie was in the wrong, when she does the exact same thing Fluttershy did herself, twice now, to Rainbow Dash, Pinkie goes on her tangent, throwing Fluttershy's fears in her face on accident- and unlike Fluttershy who can do what she does deleberately, and not get called our or punished for it, Pinkie does it on accident and gets the blame. This is Pinkie Pie- the pony who goes well out of her way to make ponies smile and be happy. Can we really say that SHE'S throwing Fluttershy's fears at her, on purpose? Canned Cream, in the video adresses this, in saying “when you have a character as openly bombastic as Pinky friends with another as reserved as Fluttershy (both of which who, once they start getting inside of their own heads, can be hard to pull them back out again), eventually those two personalities are going to clash, and Pinkie's more dominate one is going to trample over the other, And while Pinkie's words may have had a bad outcome, there wasn't anything vicious about her intent. Pinkie simply lost herself inside a single thought (which we've seen happen before many times, mind you.) What started off as her honestly being excited for her friend (Fluttershy) went off on a tangent, where she forgot what she was saying and WHO she was saying it to.” When Flutters starts crying, Pinkie looks genuinely confused, unaware that what she was thinking and how she was saying it didn't come off as intended. This is the complete opposite of Fluttershy's actions and intentions in both of the aforementioned episodes.

 

Tl:DR- Fluttershy did what she did on purpose and takes no heat for it. Pinkie does it on accident and gets blamed.

Edited April 26, 2015 by Nightmare Muffin

[silvadel 1,393]

Fluttershy generally gets a pass when it comes to Rainbow Dash because they were GOOD friends long before the rest of the main 6 ever met each other.

[UnknownFry 169]

Probably because Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy are good friends with history, and sometimes Fluttershy has to dish out tough love to her friend.

[Snow Frostflame 3,568]

Frankly I think Rainbow deserved it.... well not back then.... but for all the things she does now she definitely deserved it

[Tao 7,918]

Frankly I think Rainbow deserved it.... well not back then.... but for all the things she does now she definitely deserved it

 

I'm with Snow on this one.  Many of the Mane six have bulled Shy at time point "Bats" or forced to do

something shes not ready for and bluntly thrown it into her face one way or the other.  Seeing Shy

do that for once shows she has changed a bit and grown up and has a bit of a backbone finely!

 

Dash always reverts it seems back to a old self even so called learning a life lesson and etc.  So

I hope we see her grow up a bit! 

[Midnight Gaze 131]

Another question, why is it OK if Fluttershy makes Pinkie and Rarity cry, yet everyone gets mad at Gilda and Angel because they made Fluttershy cry?

 

 

 

So I'm not the only one!

Because Fluttershy did it to help them.

[Xenomorphic 362]

Because Fluttershy Spoke the Truth about it.

[baba_booey 4,303]

Because Fluttershy did it to help them.

Because spewing insults at them and crushing their goals in life is helping them.

[Midnight Gaze 131]

Because spewing insults at them and crushing their goals in life is helping them.

You're talking about this week's episode, right?

 

She did told RD the truth with good intentions.