What would you say if Luna had won?

[Fractured 2,684]

It would probably have to be a movie: Twilight maybe traveling into an alternate timeline where Nightmare Moon won. A pretty interesting concept, due to the possibilities. For instance, what if NMM's way was better? Say, they found a way to live, and she emerged a better ruler than her sister, one able to deal with all the threats to Equestria even without the elements?

 

Of course, it's more likely to end like EQG, where Twilight finds her friends, summons the elements, and blasts NMM, the end. -_-  But it's nice to think about what concepts they could work with from this angle.

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

I'm asking for your guys's thoughts on the subject, no arguments, understand? I don't need other members bickering on who's right and who is wrong. So refrain from trying to correct me or anyone else. As i said, i want to hear your ideas on the topic, not what would happen to equestria(as we all know cartoons are not real life). 

 

What is mean is, i like to hear your ideas on how this could happen or what you would like to see happen. When we see it, not everypony was complaining; but there are ways to survive without sunlight. You just need to adapt to a given situation, for example:

 

Say the ponies developed plants that could survive the cold, and even crops could do the same; all they have to do is research ways in case something like that happens. People ignore me when i say this, but if you ever read "Past Sins", you read about the crops and plants they've planned to develop and could survive the eternal night. This is possible if you think about it, there are pine trees that keep their needles all through winter, proving that you could have the means to survive as long as you ration the amount you cut down.

It would probably have to be a movie: Twilight maybe traveling into an alternate timeline where Nightmare Moon won. A pretty interesting concept, due to the possibilities. For instance, what if NMM's way was better? Say, they found a way to live, and she emerged a better ruler than her sister, one able to deal with all the threats to Equestria even without the elements?

 

Of course, it's more likely to end like EQG, where Twilight finds her friends, summons the elements, and blasts NMM, the end. -_-  But it's nice to think about what concepts they could work with from this angle.

I would like to see it from both points of view of both princesses, since we never got each one's personal thoughts on the matter.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[Miles 2,513]

This is my personal opinion here... and it's probably not the way most of you see it... 

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I believe Nightmare Moon/Luna is the strongest pony in the show - on her own will and of her own powers.  Celestia was only able to send her to the moon using the Elements.  Without them, Celestia would have been screwed.  

The pilot episodes of the show take place after Celestia had sent Luna to the moon, of course, because it was Nightmare Moon returning to Equestria from having been on the moon.

Therefore, the Elements must have had defeated Luna/Nightmare Moon once already.  If we presuppose, for the sake of it, that the Mane 6 couldn't defeat Nightmare Moon, then either: A. Nightmare Moon got stronger, or B. The Elements got weaker.

Personally, choice A would be the one to make more sense to me.  

So what would happen if Nightmare Moon defeated the Mane 6?

She would become the Ruler of Equestria, and the series would... become exactly the opposite of what we know of it now.

This would become a series from the perspective of the dark side, rather than the good side.  With Luna/NM as the Ruler, Celestia, the Mane 6, and all the rest of the ponies would bow down submit to her, and become the bad guys.  Subsequently, all the villains we had in the normal series suddenly become the lesser of two evils, and essentially, become the good guys.  Discord, Tirek, Chrysalis and the changelings, etc... ALL become good guys.  

Now, that's a show deserving of a PG-13 rating, rather than Y or PG.  I'd love to see MLP inversed liked that!  It'd be wicked...  :comeatus:

Can you imagine how cool it'd be to see MLP from the perspective of the villains?  

~ Miles 

 

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

This is my personal opinion here... and it's probably not the way most of you see it... 

 

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I believe Nightmare Moon/Luna is the strongest pony in the show - on her own will and of her own powers.  Celestia was only able to send her to the moon using the Elements.  Without them, Celestia would have been screwed.  

 

The pilot episodes of the show take place after Celestia had sent Luna to the moon, of course, because it was Nightmare Moon returning to Equestria from having been on the moon.

 

Therefore, the Elements must have had defeated Luna/Nightmare Moon once already.  If we presuppose, for the sake of it, that the Mane 6 couldn't defeat Nightmare Moon, then either: A. Nightmare Moon got stronger, or B. The Elements got weaker.

 

Personally, choice A would be the one to make more sense to me.  

 

So what would happen if Nightmare Moon defeated the Mane 6?

 

 

 

 

She would become the Ruler of Equestria, and the series would... become exactly the opposite of what we know of it now.

 

This would become a series from the perspective of the dark side, rather than the good side.  With Luna/NM as the Ruler, Celestia, the Mane 6, and all the rest of the ponies would bow down submit to her, and become the bad guys.  Subsequently, all the villains we had in the normal series suddenly become the lesser of two evils, and essentially, become the good guys.  Discord, Tirek, Chrysalis and the changelings, etc... ALL become good guys.  

 

Now, that's a show deserving of a PG-13 rating, rather than Y or PG.  I'd love to see MLP inversed liked that!  It'd be wicked...  :comeatus:

 

Can you imagine how cool it'd be to see MLP from the perspective of the villains?  

 

~ Miles 

 

 

Yes, i could, which is why i asked this. and we would see this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1iZVO4bzvU

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[Miles 2,513]

Yes, i could, which is why i asked this. and we would see Twilight acting this way:

 

Um, no we wouldn't.  I just said, right here:

 

This would become a series from the perspective of the dark side, rather than the good side.  With Luna/NM as the Ruler, Celestia, the Mane 6, and all the rest of the ponies would bow down submit to her, and become the bad guys.  Subsequently, all the villains we had in the normal series suddenly become the lesser of two evils, and essentially, become the good guys.  Discord, Tirek, Chrysalis and the changelings, etc... ALL become good guys.  

 

Twilight would become just as evil and villainous as NM.  That video does not show Twilight being wicked, it shows Celestia being defeated.

 

Twilight isn't even there, technically, lmao, it's a vision.

 

~ Miles

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

Um, no we wouldn't.  I just said, right here:

 

Twilight isn't even there, technically, lmao, it's a vision.

Twilight's morals keep her from doing that, but if she were to lose everything; then yes, its a possibility. I was using that as a reference, turn that into a real event, reverse the outcome, and you have a good start for a movie. A story is only as good as the people who make it; so in other words, Twilight even after her transformation is still empathetic. Though you may not see it that way, some may disagree. 

 

Nightmare Moon wins, but only holds that victory for a said amount of time; victory is not set in stone as there are multiple outcomes and factors. So laugh it up; i never said that scene was real; only that it could be used as an alternate timeline event.

 

This would be considered Luna's inner demons lashing out, even you might be tempted to show your true colors at some point. Twilight becoming evil will be the last thing anyone expects; so not a bad idea.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[sweetolebob18 728]

Over in Fimfiction they've got an alternate universe going where Celestia went crazy & Luna had to lock her in the sun. (The Lunaverse)  Not quite what you had in mind, but some of the stories might be of interest to you.  For example, the one where our Twilight met the Lunaverse's Element of Magic (Trixie) & they hated each other so much The Elements of Harmony created an alicorn named Nemesis to kill them all.

 

Also, in Princess Twilight, they return the Elements to the Tree of Harmony to strengthen it.  If the Elements are destroyed, that becomes impossible (thank you, Capt. Obvious).  If the tree is weakened, will Discord escape earlier? Total death = stasis = no change = no chaos, so maybe he would help Celestia?

[Miles 2,513]

Twilight's morals keep her from doing that, but if she were to lose everything; then yes, its a possibility. I was using that as a reference, turn that into a real event, reverse the outcome, and you have a good start for a movie. A story is only as good as the people who make it; so in other words, Twilight even after her transformation is still empathetic. Though you may not see it that way, some may disagree. 

 

Nightmare Moon wins, but only holds that victory for a said amount of time; victory is not set in stone as there are multiple outcomes and factors. So laugh it up; i never said that scene was real; only that it could be used as an alternate timeline event.

 

Candy Star, you naively miss your own point on this.  

 

You shouldn't tell me I'm wrong when the point of your own OP was to allow people to give their own version of what it would be in their own minds.  

 

You'd ought to comment on what you think of others, then if you don't agree, clarify explicitly, "In my opinion, [such] wouldn't be so, but rather, [this...]."

 

Because downright telling me my opinion isn't my opinion is, well, frustrating.  I never said "this is the only way it could be, period."  

 

I like this thread and your OP.  I think it can bring some pretty cool answers.  You should let people answer, thus, as to see a broad spectrum of opinions.

 

~ Miles

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

Candy Star, you naively miss your own point on this.  

 

You shouldn't tell me I'm wrong when the point of your own OP was to allow people to give their own version of what it would be in their own minds.  

 

You'd ought to comment on what you think of others, then if you don't agree, clarify explicitly, "In my opinion, [such] wouldn't be so, but rather, [this...]."

 

Because downright telling me my opinion isn't my opinion is, well, frustrating.  I never said "this is the only way it could be, period."  

 

I like this thread and your OP.  I think it can bring some pretty cool answers.  You should let people answer, thus, as to see a broad spectrum of opinions.

 

~ Miles

I wasn't arguing, you gave a point, and i returned with mine. So its really not an argument; just me trying to understand your reasons. Cause you were being kind of vague on the details, so i just said what i thought of it.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[silvadel 1,393]

NMM would make the moon glow brighter but 24/7.  It would be enough for some plants to survive and enough to keep the temperature of the planet up.

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

NMM would make the moon glow brighter but 24/7.  It would be enough for some plants to survive and enough to keep the temperature of the planet up.

How does that work again? Just curious.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[Miles 2,513]

I wasn't arguing, you gave a point, and i returned with mine. So its really not an argument; just me trying to understand your reasons. Cause you were being kind of vague on the details, so i just said what i thought of it.

 

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

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Technically my idea isn't all too "original" - or at least, the critics would say that.  Since it's pulling from the idea of a "New Lunar Republic" where Luna/NM is the leader, and the Mane 6 follow her orders.  

 

 

 

 

 

~ Miles

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

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Technically my idea isn't all too "original" - or at least, the critics would say that.  Since it's pulling from the idea of a "New Lunar Republic" where Luna/NM is the leader, and the Mane 6 follow her orders.  

 

 

 

 

 

~ Miles

Can't really say who'd make the better leader, but each has their own way. So what are your ideas on the plants they could use? Cause for the life of me, i don't know what they would even look like. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Candy Star

[Grumpy Enchantress 587]

I would have said "this character I know nothing about just defeated this other character I know nothing about." Because the backstory of Luna and Celestia was the first scene in the first episode.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Grumpy Enchantress

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

I would have said "this character I know nothing about just defeated this other character I know nothing about." Because the backstory of Luna and Celestia was the first scene in the first episode.

I didn't either when i first started watching it, couldn't really put my head around it. All i could do was spectate since we're not given much detail about it except for Luna's jealousy.

[Fractured 2,684]

Can't really say who'd make the better leader, but each has their own way. So what are your ideas on the plants they could use? Cause for the life of me, i don't know what they would even look like. 

Actually, considering the combination of Earth pony magic and crops made via potions (what Applebloom was dabbling in), and their low population, it should technically be possible for ponies to still be able to eat even with no sunlight. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Corona de Adamas

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

Actually, considering the combination of Earth pony magic and crops made via potions (what Applebloom was dabbling in), and their low population, it should technically be possible for ponies to still be able to eat even with no sunlight. 

The coughing plant was silly and made me laugh.

[BlackWater627 700]

An alternate reality like this would make for a pretty epic spinoff show. It would totally be possible to survive via reasons explained previously in this thread. So having the mane6 adapt and slowly work on softening Nightmare Moon's heart...that would be an incredible story.

[guest243535531ty43 219]

It was fun to think of at least   :

 

1. NM destroys physical Elements (but their magic go back to Tree of Harmony). Having a part of Luna still in her, she decides to forgive the Mane 6 and they leave. NM kills Celestia out of envy and vengeance. She makes everlasting darkness and decides to go to Canterlot to rule.

 

2. Cadence learns of these events from Shining Armor as the Equestrian military struggle against NM and her moon pony army and she learns of Celestia's plans to revive the Elements of Harmony through Twilight and her new friends, so she goes to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 to come with her. Applejack and Rarity bring their families naturally.

 

3. Cadence's plan is to revive the Crystal Empire and using it as a stronghold while she teaches Twilight special magic she learned under Celestia's tutelage and giving a place for the ReMane-ing 5 to train as well. They go on a quest to find certain spells and such and eventually are successful in their attempt.

 

4. They revive the Crystal Heart to protect the Empire from NM. They inadvertently also prevent Sombra from attacking the Empire, however, they did not realize his return. In the Crystal Empire, there's a feeling of safety so the Mane 6's friendship grows and their bond becomes stronger. Applebloom and Sweetie Belle form the CMC but because Scoots never came, she's not part of it. 

 

5. NM has won and she is the sole ruler of Equestria. She imprisons Shining Armor and other members of the Royal Guard and the military who do not acquiesce to her rule. Disharmony and fear rage on throughout Equestria, so Discord escapes from the encasement of his stone prison. He defeats NM and rules over Equestria. NM knows that Discord will rule as he did a thousand years ago and that she needs the help of the Elements of Harmony who she still believes are alive. She releases Shining Armor and explains her change of heart. Shining reluctantly leads her to the Crystal Empire where NM tells them of the Tree of Harmony.

 

6. The Mane 6, Cadence, and NM go to the Tree of Harmony and the Mane 6's presence forms a new physical manifestation of the Elements in the shape of their respective cutie marks. They use its magic to revert Discord into a statue. NM asks for forgiveness and realizes that her current style of reigning will only lead to ponies fearing and hating her, leading to greater disharmony in Equestria. They use the Elements against her willingly and she becomes Luna once more.

 

7. Luna now rules over Equestria as a benevolent ruler as does Cadence the Crystal Empire. There is a ceremony to commemorate Celestia. Luna says she can train Twilight as Celestia did before in Canterlot, but Twilight says she wants to stay with her friends. More slice-of-life moments to establish the relationship between the Mane 6 as they go back to Ponyville. Luna does not see Twilight having the same potential as Celestia did so she does not give her Starswirl's incomplete spell which would result into her ascendance into an alicorn state. At some point Cerberus leaves his guard at Tartarus. 

 

8. Tirek appears. As Celestia is the only one shown to have premonitions, Equestria is woefully unprepared to deal with him but Luna manages to give her powers to Cadence. Tirek dominates all who oppose him, so the Mane 6 and Cadence go into hiding in the Crystal Empire, the revival of which is unbeknownst to Tirek.

 

9. Discord breaks out of his shell once more due to the great fear and disharmony surrounding Equestria and, upon his arrival, realizes that he cannot defeat Tirek. He strikes a deal with the Mane 6 and Cadence to defeat Tirek and, all the while, a bond grows between Discord and Fluttershy, leading him to become reformed at least to some extent. Discord goes to Tirek and states that he knows the location of Princess Cadence, the possessor of the alicorn magic that he so yearns, and that Celestia has been killed beforehand. He leads Tirek to the Everfree Forest where magical black vines emerge from the ground to hold Tirek in place. His struggles make no difference and the Mane 6 and Cadence ambush him, using the power of the Elements and Cadence's enhanced alicorn magic to defeat him. All the ponies get their magic back and Tirek is back in Tartarus. To stop the vines from destroying Equestria, the Mane 6 place the Elements back into the Tree. A chest appears.

 

10. The Mane 6 go back to Ponyville. Luna sees Twilight as worthy of becoming an alicorn so she gives her the incomplete Starswirl spell. Twilight completes it and becomes an alicorn much to the chagrin of some bronies.   More friendship moments and eventually they get their keys to the chest. Meanwhile, in this peace, Cadence and Shining are getting married. Chrysalis, learning from the mistakes of Tirek, comes up with a much more elaborate and well-thought plan to infiltrate Equestria. She succeeds. The Mane 6 don't have the Elements to defeat her and the whole "love prevails" thing doesn't go over so well. Twilight gets her key and they use the "rainbow power/Magic of Friendship™" from the chest to turn Chrysalis and all the Changelings back into insects. Twilight gets a castle and becomes the Princess of Friendship™. Season 5 events occur as normal.

 

Haha. Yeah this is dumb...     

Edited May 8, 2015 by estoc

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

This is probably stupid and crazy but it was fun to think of  :

 

1. NM destroys physical Elements (but their magic go back to Tree of Harmony). Having a part of Luna still in her, she decides to forgive the Mane 6 and they leave. NM kills Celestia out of envy and vengeance. She makes everlasting darkness and decides to go to Canterlot to rule.

 

2. Cadence learns of these events from Shining Armor as the Equestrian military struggle against NM and her moon pony army and she learns of Celestia's plans to revive the Elements of Harmony through Twilight and her new friends, so she goes to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 to come with her. Applejack and Rarity bring their families naturally.

 

3. Cadence's plan is to revive the Crystal Empire and using it as a stronghold while she teaches Twilight special magic she learned under Celestia's tutelage and giving a place for the ReMane-ing 5 to train as well. They go on a quest to find certain spells and such and eventually are successful in their attempt.

 

4. They revive the Crystal Heart to protect the Empire from NM. They inadvertently also prevent Sombra from attacking the Empire, however, they did not realize his return. In the Crystal Empire, there's a feeling of safety so the Mane 6's friendship grows and their bond becomes stronger. Applebloom and Sweetie Belle form the CMC but because Scoots never came, she's not part of it. 

 

5. NM has won and she is the sole ruler of Equestria. She imprisons Shining Armor and other members of the Royal Guard and the military who do not acquiesce to her rule. Disharmony and fear rage on throughout Equestria, so Discord escapes from the encasement of his stone prison. He defeats NM and rules over Equestria. NM knows that Discord will rule as he did a thousand years ago and that she needs the help of the Elements of Harmony who she still believes are alive. She releases Shining Armor and explains her change of heart. Shining reluctantly leads her to the Crystal Empire where NM tells them of the Tree of Harmony.

 

6. The Mane 6, Cadence, and NM go to the Tree of Harmony and the Mane 6's presence forms a new physical manifestation of the Elements in the shape of their respective cutie marks. They use its magic to revert Discord into a statue. NM asks for forgiveness and realizes that her current style of reigning will only lead to ponies fearing and hating her, leading to greater disharmony in Equestria. They use the Elements against her willingly and she becomes Luna once more.

 

7. Luna now rules over Equestria as a benevolent ruler as does Cadence the Crystal Empire. There is a ceremony to commemorate Celestia. Luna says she can train Twilight as Celestia did before in Canterlot, but Twilight says she wants to stay with her friends. More slice-of-life moments to establish the relationship between the Mane 6 as they go back to Ponyville. Luna does not see Twilight having the same potential as Celestia did so she does not give her Starswirl's incomplete spell which would result into her ascendance into an alicorn state. At some point Cerberus leaves his guard at Tartarus. 

 

8. Tirek appears. As Celestia is the only one shown to have premonitions, Equestria is woefully unprepared to deal with him but Luna manages to give her powers to Cadence. Tirek dominates all who oppose him, so the Mane 6 and Cadence go into hiding in the Crystal Empire, the revival of which is unbeknownst to Tirek.

 

9. Discord breaks out of his shell once more due to the great fear and disharmony surrounding Equestria and, upon his arrival, realizes that he cannot defeat Tirek. He strikes a deal with the Mane 6 and Cadence to defeat Tirek and, all the while, a bond grows between Discord and Fluttershy, leading him to become reformed at least to some extent. Discord goes to Tirek and states that he knows the location of Princess Cadence, the possessor of the alicorn magic that he so yearns, and that Celestia has been killed beforehand. He leads Tirek to the Everfree Forest where magical black vines emerge from the ground to hold Tirek in place. His struggles make no difference and the Mane 6 and Cadence ambush him, using the power of the Elements and Cadence's enhanced alicorn magic to defeat him. All the ponies get their magic back and Tirek is back in Tartarus. To stop the vines from destroying Equestria, the Mane 6 place the Elements back into the Tree. A chest appears.

 

10. The Mane 6 go back to Ponyville. Luna sees Twilight as worthy of becoming an alicorn so she gives her the incomplete Starswirl spell. Twilight completes it and becomes an alicorn much to the chagrin of some bronies.   More friendship moments and eventually they get their keys to the chest. Meanwhile, in this peace, Cadence and Shining are getting married. Chrysalis, learning from the mistakes of Tirek, comes up with a much more elaborate and well-thought plan to infiltrate Equestria. She succeeds. The Mane 6 don't have the Elements to defeat her and the whole "love prevails" thing doesn't go over so well. Twilight gets her key and they use the "rainbow power/Magic of Friendship™" from the chest to turn Chrysalis and all the Changelings back into insects. Twilight gets a castle and becomes the Princess of Friendship™. Season 5 events occur as normal.

 

Haha. Yeah this is dumb...     

At least you had something.

That's what i want to see, other members detailing how events could possibly turn out one event at a time. Not just give vague details, try to be creative with your thinking; don't just give a short answer.

[Empty Room 512]

"Hmmmm, it seems that Luna has won. Okay then."

[They call me Loyalty 1,951]

Possible sacrifice of the mane-six to become the elements themselves. Introducing, in near future equestria, a somewhat similar ponies to what the mane-six used to be.

The mane six would have been remembered as somewhat legendary characters, such as starswirl the bearded. But otherwise it would have been all the same, despite the new Rainbow Dash's mane color pattern being upside down, and Applejack being green.

[Tom Snyder 4,112]

Possible sacrifice of the mane-six to become the elements themselves. Introducing, in near future equestria, a somewhat similar ponies to what the mane-six used to be.

 

The mane six would have been remembered as somewhat legendary characters, such as starswirl the bearded. But otherwise it would have been all the same, despite the new Rainbow Dash's mane color pattern being upside down, and Applejack being green.

You are weird, but so funny.