Will Starlight Glimmer become Twilight Sparkles Pupil?

[M'gann M'orzz 745]

 

 

Starlight would be fixated on Twilight because of the differences in ideology, and they clashed over it in the first episode. Also Twilight is also a princess so she would be more prone to draw her attention than Twilight's friends would.

I honestly DON'T Think Twilight is the natural opposite to Starlight's Ideology. Id say that's ether Rarity or Rainbow Dash who are both far more individualistic and ambitious. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

I really don't get why they are trying to tie Twilight and Starlight now when Twilight really did not do much in the opener and I actually think Starlight's ideology is more inheriently opposed to characters like Rainbow Dash and Rarity who are all about their individual ambition and stuff. So why is Starlight fixiated on Twilight? Really if anyone she should be stalking and trying to destroy Fluttershy for being the one who actually exposed and destroyed her Cult. 

 

I mean I guess they obviously want a Sunset Shimmer type on the show, since Sunset herself can't really appear but since they kind of failed to really establish Starlight as a foil for Twilight specifically how is this really going to work.

 

Eh, its how it goes, the villains have to be diametrically opposed to twilight to facilitate her specific growth, even if doesn't seem to make much sense. (See how in season 4 Discord was practically obsessed with twilight and had his episodes revolve around him and her in order to 100% get him over being a villain in the finale even though Fluttershy would have made more sense as a hear to heart character with him).

 

Starlight's ideology is about friends only being able to be friends if there's no difference between them, which KIND OF (but not really) paralell's twilight's role as the princess of friendship to spread friendship.

 

 

At this point I've accepted that they're going to tailor each two parter around twilight in some way, its just something to roll with.

[M'gann M'orzz 745]

Eh, its how it goes, the villains have to be diametrically opposed to twilight to facilitate her specific growth, even if doesn't seem to make much sense. (See how in season 4 Discord was practically obsessed with twilight and had his episodes revolve around him and her in order to 100% get him over being a villain in the finale even though Fluttershy would have made more sense as a hear to heart character with him).

 

Starlight's ideology is about friends only being able to be friends if there's no difference between them, which KIND OF (but not really) paralell's twilight's role as the princess of friendship to spread friendship.

 

 

At this point I've accepted that they're going to tailor each two parter around twilight in some way, its just something to roll with.

THAT"S JUST THE THING. the S5 opener did NOT revolve around Twilight. AND IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER FOR IT. Fluttershy was the hero in that one.

[UnknownFry 169]

I honestly DON'T Think Twilight is the natural opposite to Starlight's Ideology.

 

She is a better fit for being the opposite ideology for Starlight when it comes to friendship and also the concept of Cutie Marks as well which was the big issue in The Cutie Map.

 

Frankly there is also the issue of magic at play here to consider as well and no one else out of the mane 6 except Twilight matches up well against Starlight as a magician because they can't cast magic, their magical talents is limited and their knowledge of magic is limited too meaning they would not be able to stand up well in case a conflict breaks out. The other reason for magic to be mentioned is possible ideological differences when it comes to using magic as well too, and the season finale looks like it going to be involving extensive magic usage as well too as much as it is going to be an ideological struggle as well.

 

But I just happen to LIKE Starlight as a villain and don't see why she'd be fixiated on Twilight in the first place.

 

Perhaps the season finale may give you the answers you seek when it comes to Starlight's focus on Twilight.

 

One of the benefits as mention to Starlight reforming is that it gives Twilight something new to do, and perhaps open ups new dynamics with Twilight's other friends as well. I don't think she will become a regular character, but a notable secondary character.

 

For that reason, I feel that Starlight Glimmer has the potential to be a strong recurring villain.  

 

Well she is already the closest thing to a recurring villain, but the show is not designed for long story arcs or even recurring villains due to the nature of it being about friendship, and the fact most episodes are made to be episodic and stand alone episodes.

 

What I don't get is how anyone can say Starlight, a character with an actual Ideology who fought more through manipulations is "the most unappealing villain" 

 

Probably because she is not as flashy as some of the other villains, and she does come off as not being that much of a threat compared to some of the others. Her attitude may also come across as off putting, and her motivations for doing what she is doing are not all that clear either.

Edited November 3, 2015 by UnknownFry

[Strong Will 11]

Meh. I wouldn't like Starlight to be reformed. The reason she's such a good villian is that she's evil in a non "I'M GONNA TAKE OVER THE WORLD MUAHAHAHA" way. And she is seriously the only female villian to refuse friendship other than Chrysalis. And the way she was spying on Twiight in Amending Fences shows she won't be reformed anytime soon

[MLPFanatic34 3,234]

I honestly knew this was going to happen considering Trixie, Gilda, Discord, and Diamond Tiara being reformed. I honestly find it interesting Starlight will become Twilight's pupil although Sunset is technically Twilight's pupil lol. 

[EQ_Theta 463]

This is interesting and as much as I would like Starlight to stay a villain, I want to see how this turns out. She works as a villain because she's different. She doesn't operate like the typical villains we've seen in the show's season premiers and finales and her motives are still unclear (yeah, there's the equality ideology but it still somehow feels incomplete) and there is still more to explore about her reasons for wanting everyone to be equal. There's still the season finale to look forward to and I am hoping it will give Starlight's character more substance.

 

My only concern about this is that I don't know whether or not this will become canon simply because I don't think the books are canon to the show. I mean, sure, the Pie family's names were first mentioned in one of G.M. Berrow's chapter books and it was later adapted to into the recent Hearthswarming episode but beyond that, nothing else from the books show up. 

Then again, that trend may change given this book's release date is still in 2016 or maybe this is book will serve as a followup to the finale. Either way, I'll wait till this episode is aired before I give my thoughts about it. Don't want to give myself some expectations or hype and then be disappointed in the end. 

[Mentis Soliloquy 3,026]

well that would be interesting to say the least but when I gave it some thought (10mins later) yeah that would be quite interesting and would make some great episodes in S6 and beyond, considering what or how this would occur would also be quite interesting... hmm, i like it. (the idea)

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

I hope that book isnt canon. Even there are so many evidences about the reformation, i wont buy it  . I dont want another Sunset Shimmer. The writers should write this reformation believably (or no reformation at all  ), otherwise i will be disappointed 

[TeaCrumpet 27]

Well the book has already said SG is Twilight pupil or more she was. I think people are missing a major point that this micro synopsis is giving us. That Star Glimmer "was" one of Twilight's notorious pupils. This book clearly talking about a future period, most likely well after the show we are seeing. Think about it. 

Looking at 

 

https://mlpforums.com/topic/140871-theory-regarding-starlight-and-the-finale-major-potential-spoilers/

You can skim the thread and see that more and more the idea of SG coming from the future makes a heck of a lot more sense. I mean if she is the future child of Cadence and Shining, she would of course have learned under Twilight. Her having a vendetta against Twilight and wanting to change things just before her birth works out perfectly. We sadly don't know everything that might have driven SG to go into the past, but I'm expecting that the S5 closer will explain a lot and the book will most likely be used as a fill in for whatever the two parter will be missing, kind of like what the comic did for SS past. 

[Reading Heart 167]

Personally.. I'm fine with whatever they chose to do with Starlight,  but if she did become Twilight's pupil she's would not be the first, the Cutie Mark Crusaders individually and together have that honor.. and for that matter, Sunset Shimmer has the honor of being her next best student.

[Marimo 555]

I honestly knew this was going to happen considering Trixie, Gilda, Discord, and Diamond Tiara being reformed. I honestly find it interesting Starlight will become Twilight's pupil although Sunset is technically Twilight's pupil lol. 

I don't think they've ever said anything to the effect of Sunset being Twilight's pupil. At most, Sunset said she would write to her for advice, but that's not an indication of her becoming a pupil. People ask their friends for advice too. Plus, it's not like Twilight ever wrote to Celestia for advice.

 

Then again, that trend may change given this book's release date is still in 2016 or maybe this is book will serve as a followup to the finale.

That's far more likely. The books may or may not be canon to the show, but several have been written with knowledge of future events, like Pinkie having a third sister is hinted at in her chapter book before Maud Pie aired. Plus, Berrow was a writer for season 5, so she definitely would have had knowledge of what was going to happen in the season.

 

Well the book has already said SG is Twilight pupil or more she was. I think people are missing a major point that this micro synopsis is giving us. That Star Glimmer "was" one of Twilight's notorious pupils. This book clearly talking about a future period, most likely well after the show we are seeing. Think about it. 

Where do you get was in the synopsis?

 

http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/g-m-berrow/my-little-pony-untitled-starlight-glimmer/9780316266314/

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Twilight Sparkle's most notorious pupils! "

 

Like if for the synopsis for a Princess Cadance book went:

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Equestria's most loving princesses! "

That would still read as Cadance still being a princess, not was a princess.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2015 by Marimo

[TeaCrumpet 27]

I don't think they've ever said anything to the effect of Sunset being Twilight's pupil. At most, Sunset said she would write to her for advice, but that's not an indication of her becoming a pupil. People ask their friends for advice too. Plus, it's not like Twilight ever wrote to Celestia for advice.

 

That's far more likely. The books may or may not be canon to the show, but several have been written with knowledge of future events, like Pinkie having a third sister is hinted at in her chapter book before Maud Pie aired. Plus, Berrow was a writer for season 5, so she definitely would have had knowledge of what was going to happen in the season.

 

Where do you get was in the synopsis?

 

http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/g-m-berrow/my-little-pony-untitled-starlight-glimmer/9780316266314/

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Twilight Sparkle's most notorious pupils! "

 

Like if for the synopsis for a Princess Cadance book went:

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Equestria's most loving princesses! "

That would still read as Cadance still being a princess, not was a princess.

The part where it says one of. I agree with you on  SS relationship with Twilight. They feel less like a teacher/student one and more of an older/younger classmate helping one another out.

 

As to the canon, the books have been kind of all over the place in what is an isn't working within the TV show canon. However from what I remember the writers have said that the books are semi canon as in Berrow does ask them stuff, so certain information is canon while the whole plot might not be.

 

Back to my point about SG. As of right now, Twilight has had no formal students. If we have to we can sorta count the CMC and her little friends, however that feels rather cheap considering how long the girls most likely studied under her and frankly she was more a tutor then a real teacher since outside of teaching Sweetie Bell how to levitate all of the other stuff the girls learned kind of came from her books more then she directly. 

 

So this leaves us in a weird place, since why would Berrow word the sentence "one of" and not her first students since "one of" makes it out that Twilight has had many since normally when using "one of" they would uses "one of many" since the number is rather vast and giving an accurate number in either to hard or impossible.

 

So,canon wise right now, unless Twilight is going to get a slew of students before the end of the season, it makes a bit more sense to have SG come from the future. Given EG:FG ending; we have a HUGE clue as to what Twilight will most likely be doing during those two episodes. Hence why, tying SG story into a time travel centering around her wish to take done Twilight and connecting it with the new child on the way, makes a lot of sense narrative wise since it makes things less random on SG side as to why she is showing up right now.   

[Marimo 555]

The part where it says one of. I agree with you on  SS relationship with Twilight. They feel less like a teacher/student one and more of an older/younger classmate helping one another out.

 

As to the canon, the books have been kind of all over the place in what is an isn't working within the TV show canon. However from what I remember the writers have said that the books are semi canon as in Berrow does ask them stuff, so certain information is canon while the whole plot might not be.

 

Back to my point about SG. As of right now, Twilight has had no formal students. If we have to we can sorta count the CMC and her little friends, however that feels rather cheap considering how long the girls most likely studied under her and frankly she was more a tutor then a real teacher since outside of teaching Sweetie Bell how to levitate all of the other stuff the girls learned kind of came from her books more then she directly. 

 

So this leaves us in a weird place, since why would Berrow word the sentence "one of" and not her first students since "one of" makes it out that Twilight has had many since normally when using "one of" they would uses "one of many" since the number is rather vast and giving an accurate number in either to hard or impossible.

 

So,canon wise right now, unless Twilight is going to get a slew of students before the end of the season, it makes a bit more sense to have SG come from the future. Given EG:FG ending; we have a HUGE clue as to what Twilight will most likely be doing during those two episodes. Hence why, tying SG story into a time travel centering around her wish to take done Twilight and connecting it with the new child on the way, makes a lot of sense narrative wise since it makes things less random on SG side as to why she is showing up right now.   

In the animatic for the finale, she's giving a lecture on cutie mark magic.

Perhaps she's taking on a role as an instructor at Celestia's magic school, and therefore she would have students by being a teacher. By the end of the episode, Starlight might be in a similar position as Twilight once was to Celestia, as a personal student.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

I will stop watching the show if it does, such an awful idea. Just rename the show Equestria: Rehab is Magic. 

[Unlikeable Pony 2,698]

I don't think they've ever said anything to the effect of Sunset being Twilight's pupil. At most, Sunset said she would write to her for advice, but that's not an indication of her becoming a pupil. People ask their friends for advice too. Plus, it's not like Twilight ever wrote to Celestia for advice.

 

That's far more likely. The books may or may not be canon to the show, but several have been written with knowledge of future events, like Pinkie having a third sister is hinted at in her chapter book before Maud Pie aired. Plus, Berrow was a writer for season 5, so she definitely would have had knowledge of what was going to happen in the season.

 

Where do you get was in the synopsis?

 

http://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/g-m-berrow/my-little-pony-untitled-starlight-glimmer/9780316266314/

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Twilight Sparkle's most notorious pupils! "

 

Like if for the synopsis for a Princess Cadance book went:

"A original My Little Pony chapter book featuring one of Equestria's most loving princesses! "

That would still read as Cadance still being a princess, not was a princess.

 

I kind of got the impression twilight was very similar to Sunset's teacher in friendship given how she's writing to her for advice and info on friendship and how there was that deleted scene from FG where she was at the diner talking to twilight about adjusting.

[Marimo 555]

I kind of got the impression twilight was very similar to Sunset's teacher in friendship given how she's writing to her for advice and info on friendship and how there was that deleted scene from FG where she was at the diner talking to twilight about adjusting.

You can talk to a friend too, and get advice from them. And unlike whenever Twilight addressed her letters to Celestia, where she would sign off with "Your faithful student", Sunset signs off with just "Your friend", no indication that Twilight is more like a teacher.