gaming (Petition) Kingdoms Hearts 3 for PC gamers

[Limeblossom 482]

As an old Disney fan and Unreal 4 enthusiast I'm really excited for KH3, but not willing to buy a console just for one game. Luckily there's a petition to give Square Enix the message to release the game on the PC.

 

https://www.change.org/p/tetsuya-nomura-release-kingdom-hearts-iii-for-pc-platform

 

Are you planning to sign too?

[Guest]

I don't think it's necessary to make a petition yet because 1. The game is in development hell so it may not even come out any time soon. and 2. Square has been releasing all their games on PC lately, so it may come out eventually for PC regardless.

[Buck Testa 5,505]

When's the last time a Change.org petition actually did anything? 

 

Also I doubt they'd put KH3 on computers just yet. Kingdom Hearts has been hopping across platforms for a long time now, and in its wake people have bought each and every one of those systems JUST to play that next installment of Kingdom Hearts. When you have a dedicated audience that'll do stuff like that you'll keep that train going. 

[Limeblossom 482]

I don't think it's necessary to make a petition yet because 1. The game is in development hell so it may not even come out any time soon.

Even more than 4 years? Better to lower my expectations.

 

 

2. Square has been releasing all their games on PC lately, so it may come out eventually for PC regardless.

I really hope so.

 

 

When's the last time a Change.org petition actually did anything?

Remember Operation Cyber Sleuth? Namco released the Digimon game in the west. Also Operation Rainfall got 3 Wii JRPG's released, which didn't make Nintendo happy .

[Discordian 6,021]

Kingdom Hearts has never been on PC. Unless they start releasing the HD remakes on PC as well there's little to no market for it. Most PC gamers I've ever run into have no interest in KH.

[Castle Bleck 19,451]

I'm more concerned about the game coming out to begin with.

 

After over a decade, my eventual reaction to Square:

 

[cmarston1 5,964]

I have to agree with those who say that petitions don't really work or at least most of the time anyways.

I don't see how this could be any different than the others.

[Envy 6,405]

I'm more concerned about the game coming out to begin with.

 

After over a decade, my eventual reaction to Square:

 

 

I wouldn't be so worried about that. They announced it in like 2013, not ten years ago. For whatever reason, they decided they wanted to go into doing spin-offs after KHII. I don't know why people are so sour about this. Not every spin-off was super amazing, but I really enjoyed Birth By Sleep and Dream Drop Distance as games, and 358/2 Days' story... (and every single one of them has excellent music). They've successfully fended off my hunger for KHIII for a long time. I really don't feel rushed for KHIII at all.

[Guest]

 

 

They announced it in like 2013

 

Officially announced yes, discussed and planned more or less since the end of KH2. Plus as we enter year 3 with no release date in site, this is around where most games start talking about release dates or they fall subject to development hell.

 

 

 

For whatever reason, they decided they wanted to go into doing spin-offs after KHII.

 

There actually was a reason, they didn't want to make KH3 yet, it was kind of a way to fulfill their obligations to produce more games without producing KH3.

 

 

 

I don't know why people are so sour about this. Not every spin-off was super amazing, but I really enjoyed Birth By Sleep and Dream Drop Distance as games, and 358/2 Days' story... (and every single one of them has excellent music). They've successfully fended off my hunger for KHIII for a long time. I really don't feel rushed for KHIII at all.

 

A lot of people hate handhelds and that's more or less what we've been given to "hold us over" is a lot of handheld stuff. 

[Envy 6,405]

Officially announced yes, discussed and planned more or less since the end of KH2. Plus as we enter year 3 with no release date in site, this is around where most games start talking about release dates or they fall subject to development hell.

If they weren't continuously showing footage of it, I would understand believing that. However, as far as I'm concerned, it's been in the same camp as the new Zelda. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new Zelda has somehow had less footage shown than KHIII.

 

They've still only really teased us of KHIII, and the last I checked it was supposed to be shown at E3... I'm not worried at all.

 

There actually was a reason, they didn't want to make KH3 yet, it was kind of a way to fulfill their obligations to produce more games without producing KH3.

And that's fine by me. All of them I have played (aside from CoM, which was pre-KHII anyway) were fun.

 

A lot of people hate handhelds and that's more or less what we've been given to "hold us over" is a lot of handheld stuff.

Well, that's too bad for those people. SE has/is in the process of bringing the best spinoff titles to console anyway.

[Guest]

If they weren't continuously showing footage of it, I would understand believing that. However, as far as I'm concerned, it's been in the same camp as the new Zelda. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new Zelda has somehow had less footage shown than KHIII.

 

New Zelda has a release period though.

 

Not to mention Nintendo is selling games at an all time low right now. This is perhaps the lowest point of sales they have reached in years for a home console. The Wii U may be their worst selling home console ever made. So following what Nintendo is doing is probably not the best move.

 

 

 

They've still only really teased us of KHIII, and the last I checked it was supposed to be shown at E3... I'm not worried at all.

 

3 years of teasing.

 

I'm also not worried, I'm just not expecting the game to actually get a release date at E3.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Guest

[Castle Bleck 19,451]

Dream Drop Distance

 

In contrast, I actually think that one just jumped the shark for the whole franchise.

[Guest]

I can't wait for KH3 on the PS7!

[Envy 6,405]

In contrast, I actually think that one just jumped the shark for the whole franchise.

 

Well, I'm not vouching for the story, but I thought otherwise (like the gameplay, worlds, etc.) it was pretty good.

[Guest]

So it's more or less confirmed that KH3 won't be coming out this year. Their earnings report which details games coming out up to February 2017 did not have KH3 on it, and to more or less "confirm" it further, this trailer for KH HD 2.8 came out:

 

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/kingdom_hearts_28_final_chapter_prologue/b/playstation4/archive/2016/06/08/kingdom-hearts-hd-2-8-final-chapter-prologue-launches-worldwide-in-december.aspx?utm_content=buffer1a082&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

They wouldn't release KH3 before this game, and this game hits stores in December. On top of this, they state at the end "announcements this Winter", which more or less means they are not going to announce a release at E3. So we already know KH3 is 2017 bound at the earliest, probably later than that.

 

 

Well, I'm not vouching for the story, but I thought otherwise (like the gameplay, worlds, etc.) it was pretty good.

 

The Flowmotion was fun, but a lot of fans actually hated how it completely made the exploration element of the series completely non-existent. There was no coming back to an area with new abilities because flowmotion more or less allowed you to reach areas previously unreachable with ease. I hope they limit the flowmotion more in future games.

[Envy 6,405]

So it's more or less confirmed that KH3 won't be coming out this year. Their earnings report which details games coming out up to February 2017 did not have KH3 on it, and to more or less "confirm" it further, this trailer for KH HD 2.8 came out:

 

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/kingdom_hearts_28_final_chapter_prologue/b/playstation4/archive/2016/06/08/kingdom-hearts-hd-2-8-final-chapter-prologue-launches-worldwide-in-december.aspx?utm_content=buffer1a082&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

They wouldn't release KH3 before this game, and this game hits stores in December. On top of this, they state at the end "announcements this Winter", which more or less means they are not going to announce a release at E3. So we already know KH3 is 2017 bound at the earliest, probably later than that.

And who in the world expected it to be released sooner?

 

The same people who thought that Zelda "U" was going to be a 2016 release? That was blatantly obvious, and KHIII not being released in 2016 was like a hundred times more obvious than that, so... (even moreso once II.8 was announced, and had been shown pretty sparsely itself)

 

When a title is shown as sparsely as these two titles, you're setting yourself up for disappointment expecting it to be released any time soon. (I don't mean "you" you here, as I know you don't even care about the KH series.)

 

The Flowmotion was fun, but a lot of fans actually hated how it completely made the exploration element of the series completely non-existent. There was no coming back to an area with new abilities because flowmotion more or less allowed you to reach areas previously unreachable with ease. I hope they limit the flowmotion more in future games.

So, a small complaint.

[Guest]

 

 

And who in the world expected it to be released sooner?

 

 

Many fans.

 

 

 

The same people who thought that Zelda "U" was going to be a 2016 release?

 

Zelda U was announced originally AS a 2016 release.

 

 

 

That was blatantly obvious

 

Except Nintendo originally said it was scheduled for 2016, so it's not obvious.

 

 

 

So, a small complaint.

 

Kingdom Hearts games were all about exploring the worlds because it created a reason to revisit worlds. With the worlds so small, removing reason to explore them further becomes a big deal. The game becomes solely about combat then. So no, not a small complaint. 

[Envy 6,405]

Many fans.

...Well that's on them. This isn't rocket science.

 

Zelda U was announced originally AS a 2016 release.

 

...

 

Except Nintendo originally said it was scheduled for 2016, so it's not obvious.

And every single 3D console Zelda ever gets delayed. This is common knowledge, and INCREDIBLY obvious considering how little of Zelda U was shown over a long amount of time preceding the delay announcement.

 

Kingdom Hearts games were all about exploring the worlds because it created a reason to revisit worlds. With the worlds so small, removing reason to explore them further becomes a big deal. The game becomes solely about combat then. So no, not a small complaint.

I don't remember the worlds in 3D being exceptionally small. They were very close to the size of console KH games' worlds.

[Guest]

 

 

...Well that's on them. This isn't rocket science.

 

You can't blame the fans for Square Enix not delivering.

 

 

 

And every single 3D console Zelda ever gets delayed. This is common knowledge, and INCREDIBLY obvious considering how little of Zelda U was shown over a long amount of time preceding the delay announcement.

 

Then stop giving them release times if they are always going to be delayed. You can't blame the fans because the developers fail to deliver their promises CONSISTENTLY.

 

 

 

I don't remember the worlds in 3D being exceptionally small. They were very close to the size of console KH games' worlds.

 

Which if you recall even in KH2, most of the worlds were like... 5-7 areas which take like 40 seconds a piece to navigate. The only thing slowing you down is enemies in the way. 

[Envy 6,405]

You can't blame the fans for Square Enix not delivering.

You're so silly. Square-Enix has hardly even been teasing the game. It's not like they're releasing all kinds of information but still not releasing or giving a timeframe. The expectation that KHIII would come out this year falls on the fans.

 

Then stop giving them release times if they are always going to be delayed. You can't blame the fans because the developers fail to deliver their promises CONSISTENTLY.

As you've already proven, the fans will create their own expected time frames and get mad that the game wasn't released in that time, so it doesn't matter whether Nintendo had given a vague timeframe or not given one at all.

 

With Zelda it is a clear case of delays are inevitable - they have always happened, and Zelda U had been shown so little... If someone couldn't put those together and stop expecting a 2016 release, it was on them.

 

Which if you recall even in KH2, most of the worlds were like... 5-7 areas which take like 40 seconds a piece to navigate. The only thing slowing you down is enemies in the way.

Right, KH has never been known as a series with widely expansive worlds, so I don't really expect it to be... Although KHIII looks to be getting better.

[Guest]

You're so silly. Square-Enix has hardly even been teasing the game. It's not like they're releasing all kinds of information but still not releasing or giving a timeframe. The expectation that KHIII would come out this year falls on the fans.

 

Except they have been teasing the game. It was teased at E3 2013 first, then again at E3 2014, it was teased again at E3 2015. It was teased at D23, it was teased just in this KH 2.8 trailer promising more "announcement" this Winter (I.e. more teasing). Last year they released information about it including:

 

• Worlds that they are working on.
• Worlds in discussion.
• New ideas for the game.
• A "trailer" showing off a piece of the story.
• What engine it'll be on.
• Development blogs.
• Another trailer announcing production of the game in the first place.
• That KH3D will lead directly into it.
• Part of what the plot will be about.
• That it'll be the end of a saga.
• Tons more.

We know more about KH3 than we do about Zelda which has not been in talks to be made nearly as long and wasn't even announced until a full year after KH3.

 

Square Enix keeps teasing people with this game and releasing information, so people expecting a reveal with a release date after nearly 2 years of teasing the game is not unrealistic considering how much teasing they've done.

 

Regardless of who it falls upon though, Square Enix is being stupid by doing this because if the game wasn't anywhere near ready they shouldn't have announced it because this is a poor business strategy. They're going to build up hype for the game too high to where it can't possibly meet the hype by teasing so much. 

 

Not to mention that concepts for the game began as early as 2006 after the release of Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix in Japan. Nomura was even talking about KH3 in 2012 stating that it wasn't ready yet to be revealed. So that more or less confirms they were working on the game in 2012 or at the very least having some kind of work done on it even if it was just concepts. So the game has been in development actively as far as we can tell since 2012, and been talked about and being idealized since 2006.

 

So realistically the game has been in talks for 10 years and been developed for 4 and no release date whatsoever despite 3 years of being announced. If they were no closer to a release date they shouldn't have announced the game until they were more confident of the game coming out within a reasonable time frame. So no, it's really just Square Enix's fault for getting people's hopes up.

 

 

 

As you've already proven, the fans will create their own expected time frames and get mad that the game wasn't released in that time, so it doesn't matter whether Nintendo had given a vague timeframe or not given one at all.   With Zelda it is a clear case of delays are inevitable - they have always happened, and Zelda U had been shown so little... If someone couldn't put those together and stop expecting a 2016 release, it was on them.

 

It's always the fault of the developer for not meeting promises. If they can't meet said promises they shouldn't make them, especially if they CONSISTENTLY fail to meet them. Blaming the fans for being disappointed is like going to a movie being told you were going to see The Godfather, and then when you get to the theater and sit down, suddenly Finding Nemo is playing. You can't be mad at the fans for BELIEVING Nintendo. You should be mad at Nintendo (and in this case Square Enix) for consistently being dishonest, be it through accident or intention. If they can't deliver on promises, it's simple: don't make them.

 

 

 

Right, KH has never been known as a series with widely expansive worlds, so I don't really expect it to be... Although KHIII looks to be getting better.

 

We have no idea. They haven't shown us enough of the game's worlds to determine if they are bigger or not. However if they are around the same size and flowmotion remains untweaked it's going to drastically decrease the exploration of the game.

 

Plus demands of games have changed since 2006 when Kingdom Hearts II was released. Consoles are more powerful and expectations are far higher. Giving us worlds that were considered "ideal" on a PS2 when we are on the PS4 is kind of shortchanging us. The worlds will need to be significantly larger to make up for the lost exploration element of the game or new mechanics introduced to do so. You don't change game mechanics and keep old level designs, that makes no logical sense.

 

Take it from a seasoned video game veteran and someone who studies this industry regularly: You can't just blame fans for a company's shortcomings and ignore criticisms of a game you like just because you like and you personally don't care. Sales make the game. If a game doesn't sell, say goodbye to the franchise. You can't treat the fans like crap and ignore their criticisms, because it creates a negative atmosphere to where they might not buy the game and if they don't, you don't get anymore Kingdom Hearts games.

 

I want Square Enix to succeed, but they won't do that if they keep overhyping KH3 to where it can never meet said hype and then the game flops. And when that happens Square Enix can't just go "well it's the fan's fault for getting too hyped!" because that argument doesn't fly with investors (such as Disney) because they will just pull the plug.

 

 

On the topic of a PC port though: It's very likely to happen regardless. The game is using Unreal 4 which is a very PC friendly engine, built on DirectX11 which is a proprietary software that PCs use, and Square's track record shows a MAJORITY of their recent releases have been on PC in the US.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Guest