news ToonKriticY2K and accusations of sexual misconduct

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10 minutes ago, Starlight Nova said:

did toon travel to the philippines and physically interacted with sally in any way. prove that and i'll retract my defense of him

Nope, never claimed that he did. I was just using that particular law as an example of how your argument that "u cant apply american age of consent laws to a non american who is not on american soil or is in anyway an american citizen" is invalid. 

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1 minute ago, Starlight Nova said:

for that skype call that josh recorded since it included a person from the state of illinois and would be used in a court of law in the state of illinois the defense can inturn apply the state of illinois two-party consent law which requires all parties to a conversation to have given consent before any lawful recording can take place. this skype call was recorded illegally just because josh resides in texas does not mean the state of texas wiretapping law will be applied to the evidence when its submitted to the court, when recording anyconversation it is best to get everyones consent before beginning any recording as to avoid the potential of commiting a illegal act .

That evidence is inadmissible. Within it contains the following 

'threats towards toon either insinuating he will come to physical harm if he didnt turn himself him/ Mental blackmail and threats that he will lose all his credibility and following and earnings from his work'.

So he could sue them all for loss of earnings, finding what he got before this 'scandal' even began to the point that he is earning relatively the same as before. 

 

you reap what you sow people, don't run bullshit around. 

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Just now, Yamet said:

Nope, never claimed that he did. I was just using that particular law as an example of how your argument that "u cant apply american age of consent laws to a non american who is not on american soil or is in anyway an american citizen" is invalid. 

however that law would apply to an american i stated u cant apply it to a non american who isnt on american soil or is a citizen of america. u didnt invalidate anything of what i said. u should read that law over carefully that u posted it clearly states at the top for U.S. Citizens

[Gestum 2,493]

13 minutes ago, Starlight Nova said:

oh u mean their heavily edited censored and sections missing chat logs, ones where over  300 days worth of texts are missing from the screenshots,

Why didn't Toon just realese the full chatlogs then? Surlely if he would have done that would proven that he was inocent? 

Edited May 14, 2018 by Gestum

[Starlight Nova 3]

U.S. citizens are subject to the laws of foreign countries. Furthermore, some laws are prosecutable in the United States regardless of local law. 

Under the Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools to End the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003 (PROTECT Act), it is a crime, prosecutable in the United States, for a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident to engage in illicit sexual conduct in a foreign country with a person under the age of 18, whether or not the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident intended to engage in such illicit sexual conduct prior to going abroad. 

Under the Protection of Children from Sexual Predators Act of 1998, it is a crime to use the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce to transmit information about a minor under the age of 16 with the intent to entice, encourage, offer, or solicit any person to engage in any criminal sexual activity, among other things, the production of child pornography.

For additional information on federal laws related to crimes against minors overseas, please see the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ)’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section.

If you want to report a crime, please contact the FBI or see numbers provided by DOJ here.

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Just now, Starlight Nova said:

however that law would apply to an american i stated u cant apply it to a non american who isnt on american soil or is a citizen of america. 

Alright, I'll admit I explained myself a bit poorly. What I did mean was that the "the age of consent in her country is 12 so it's legal" argument doesn't work, because the us can still make that kind of relationship illegal regardless of what the age of consent in the Philippines is. 

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Just now, Gestum said:

Why didn't Toon just realese the full chatlogs then? Surlely if he would have done that would proven that he was inocent? 

well first off lets see, its private messages not ment to be posted on social media

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3 minutes ago, Gestum said:

Why didn't Toon just realese the full chatlogs then? Surlely if he would have done that would proven that he was inocent? 

he was kicked out of the group before he could get them 

why he not in jail? coz those chat logs were given to the police. self incriminating the accusers of there ilegal activity.

 

Just now, Starlight Nova said:

well first off lets see, its private messages not ment to be posted on social media

he should sue, i found him on skype.  

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Just now, Yamet said:

Alright, I'll admit I explained myself a bit poorly. What I did mean was that the "the age of consent in her country is 12 so it's legal" argument doesn't work, because the us can still make that kind of relationship illegal regardless of what the age of consent in the Philippines is. 

but the point still falls short as she isnt on american cant apply age of consent law of america to a foreign citizen who isnt in america or on american soil, as the crime would of been committed over the internet 

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yet the simple fact is HE is on american soil and HE must obey those rules. Thats the facts, regardless of her being of age or any of those reasons. The law of america is far different and we have to abide by those laws regardless of opinions and wishes.

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1 minute ago, Starlight Nova said:

but the point still falls short as she isnt on american cant apply age of consent law of america to a foreign citizen who isnt in america or on american soil, as the crime would of been committed over the internet 

there was no crime 

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Just now, dsc said:

yet the simple fact is HE is on american soil and HE must obey those rules. Thats the facts, regardless of her being of age or any of those reasons. The law of america is far different and we have to abide by those laws regardless of opinions and wishes.

yes he can abide by those rules and law but the fact that another country's citizen was involved makes this more complicated hence why the FBI were needed for this incident and after they made their comment that it was inappropriate but not illegal, no one can accept it because it would mean accepting they all made a horrible mistake

[Gestum 2,493]

2 minutes ago, Starlight Nova said:

well first off lets see, its private messages not ment to be posted on social media

Still, if there were a false version of your private messages floating around the internet why not post the real ones.

3 minutes ago, BloodDrops said:

he was kicked out of the group before he could get them  

What group?

4 minutes ago, BloodDrops said:

why he not in jail?  

Don't know. Perhaps the police feels like it has something more important to do.

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Just now, Starlight Nova said:

yes he can abide by those rules and law but the fact that another country's citizen was involved makes this more complicated hence why the FBI were needed for this incident and after they made their comment that it was inappropriate but not illegal, no one can accept it because it would mean accepting they all made a horrible mistake

Doing a ERP with someone that consents is not illegal 

Sally should have blocked him if she felt uncomfortable. 

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1 minute ago, Starlight Nova said:

yes he can abide by those rules and law but the fact that another country's citizen was involved makes this more complicated hence why the FBI were needed for this incident and after they made their comment that it was inappropriate but not illegal, no one can accept it because it would mean accepting they all made a horrible mistake

again the law is the law, if i went and did the same thing id be in shit too, same to you, same to everyone here, why do you think people just ditched him after this? because it was pedophilla and thats the truth. No matter what you say, no matter what opinions you give... the evidence is against him on this... besides... wasnt it stated by SEVERAL ponies/people that... she was being forced into this?

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I would think, if two jurisdictions have conflicting laws, the more restrictive would be the obvious one to follow.

 

However, I m not a lawyer, nor a diplomat, nor do I play one at conventions or on TV.

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that she felt she had to, or she lose his friendship? what kinda person does that? its a big and good question you all have to ask yourself.

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1 minute ago, BloodDrops said:

Doing a ERP with someone that consents is not illegal.

If they're underage, it is. 

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Just now, Gestum said:

Still, if there were a false version of your private messages floating around the internet why not post the real ones.

if i was a admin, sent u a dick pick then banned u from the forums, how can you report it to the form if your banned from it?

3 minutes ago, Gestum said:

What group?

Skype one

 

3 minutes ago, Gestum said:

Don't know. Perhaps the police feels like it has something more important to do.

not enough evidence

 

Just now, Yamet said:

If they're underage, it is. 

not if they say they are of age it isn't

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Just now, dsc said:

again the law is the law, if i went and did the same thing id be in shit too, same to you, same to everyone here, why do you think people just ditched him after this? because it was pedophilla and thats the truth. No matter what you say, no matter what opinions you give... the evidence is against him on this... besides... wasnt it stated by SEVERAL ponies/people that... she was being forced into this?

ive done the same thing as toon probably one point in my life erping on games is pretty normal i remember dating a grade 9 while in my last year of highschool, it was a 4 year gap in grade 6 year gap in age, but it wasnt illegal sure inappropriate but not illegal, but its not pedophilia as stated in many posts on social media, the evidence against him is doctored editted censored and sections missing, so no full picture of what she did or done and said 300 days+ missing in texts,  lol forced to do this she was on skype all she had to do was right click his name and click block and it would of been done and over with, there was no coercion or forcing her for anything. 

4 minutes ago, Yamet said:

If they're underage, it is. 

but she was only underage if she were american or on american soil

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1 minute ago, BloodDrops said:

not if they say they are of age it isn't

Just going to leave this here. 

 

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1 minute ago, Starlight Nova said:

ive done the same thing as toon probably one point in my life erping on games is pretty normal i remember dating a grade 9 while in my last year of highschool, it was a 4 year gap in grade 6 year gap in age, but it wasnt illegal sure inappropriate but not illegal, but its not pedophilia as stated in many posts on social media, the evidence against him is doctored editted censored and sections missing, so no full picture of what she did or done and said 300 days+ missing in texts,  lol forced to do this she was on skype all she had to do was right click his name and click block and it would of been done and over with, there was no coercion or forcing her for anything. 

and do you have the proof to back up your claims that it was all doctored and faked? if you dont... dont waste our time.

 

6 minutes ago, BloodDrops said:

if i was a admin, sent u a dick pick then banned u from the forums, how can you report it to the form if your banned from it?

Skype one

 

not enough evidence

 

not if they say they are of age it isn't

thats make it even worse because then the person is just asking for trouble because then both parties can get into trouble for it.

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Just now, Yamet said:

Just going to leave this here. 

 

see blocked didnt take much to do that now was there a simple click and its done

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Just now, Yamet said:

Just going to leave this here. 

 

Whats your skype? We can talk about this on there since sharing it here just made that evidence void. 

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4 minutes ago, BloodDrops said:

Skype one

Between him and the 14-year old? Wasn't that over private messages?

5 minutes ago, BloodDrops said:

not enough evidence

We don't know that. It could simply  be that the police have to much to do and therefore choses to wait with this case.