MLP Villain/Antagonist Reformations

[Thrond 3,263]

1 hour ago, Latecomer said:

We have a nice Lightning Dust already. She's called Rainbow Dash.

 

I’m not sure you’re understanding me. It would have been fine if she disregarded the rules Rainbow liked, I just wanted her to maybe become a little less evil. There are any number of things that could have looked like.

Besides, giving Lightning Dust character development doesn’t inherently mean making her more like Rainbow Dash, and I didn’t need her to be a recurring character or anything.

18 minutes ago, Kiryu-Chan said:

Eh, I was actually expecting them to give her one more go in S9, but they spent so much of S9 twiddling their thumbs wasting time on dumb shit no one wanted that I lost hope. Leaving her out of the finale especially felt spiteful, especially when they go out of their way to show the fucking Flim Flam Bros

If she appeared again, she would just continue to be evil. I’m kinda glad they didn’t bring her back because of that.

Edited October 26, 2019 by AlexanderThrond

[Latecomer 439]

4 minutes ago, AlexanderThrond said:

 

I  guess I just don't see her as anything but Rainbow's dark reflection. If she gets any more respectable than her Washouts self, then she's just... a reflection.

[Thrond 3,263]

11 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

I  guess I just don't see her as anything but Rainbow's dark reflection. If she gets any more respectable than her Washouts self, then she's just... a reflection.

That’s definitely how she’s been used in the show, but I think there’s potential for a more interesting character in there. Maybe not more than one episode of potential, but still. I find it interesting how she’s more reckless than Rainbow, and think that could have been done with more nuance. 

[FirePuppy 735]

Flim and Flam fought against the Legion of Doom. This suggests that they also have been reformed, doesn't it?

[Latecomer 439]

1 hour ago, FirePuppy said:

Flim and Flam fought against the Legion of Doom. This suggests that they also have been reformed, doesn't it?

Not particularly. It's not like Equestria being conquered would be good for business.

[Rumpelstiltskin 45]

I kinda was confused about the decision to make Ahuizotl simply 'misunderstood' when past episodes show him trying to kill Daring Do and cause eight-hundred years of sweltering heat. I'm not upset about him being reformed, but I wish they actually reformed him instead of retconing him as never being bad to start with. 

I really wish they had done more for the Legion of Doom, because it was shown they had moments of vulnerability. Tirek had issues with how he felt he was perceived by his family, and Chrysalis was mentally falling apart because it appears she can't stand being alone. Even Cozy admitted it felt good to help each other when they were on the mountain. On of the things I disliked about the Ending of the End was that they spent time developing these characters and making it seem like they just might have a happy ending only to ignore it entirely for the sake of subverting expectations. 

 

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

I love Ahuizotl, villain or not, but I was SUPREMELY SURPRISED they decided to rewrite him as... well, not sure I’d say reformed, because he’s still an exceedingly dangerous creature that WILL wreck you, but now they’ve given him an actual reason to be that way.

I mean, I would have been fine if Ahui had just continued to simply be a straightforward villain for no other reason than him being villainous. I didn’t need to have a sympathetic reason to think he was awesome.

But I think it’s kind of cool that he’s turned out to be this guardian spirit. I knew he was amazing all along. 

[Latecomer 439]

2 minutes ago, SpookEBabe said:

I love Ahuizotl, villain or not, but I was SUPREMELY SURPRISED they decided to rewrite him as... well, not sure I’d say reformed, because he’s still an exceedingly dangerous creature that WILL wreck you, but now they’ve given him an actual reason to be that way.

I mean, I would have been fine if Ahui had just continued to simply be a straightforward villain for no other reason than him being villainous. I didn’t need to have a sympathetic reason to think he was awesome.

But I think it’s kind of cool that he’s turned out to be this guardian spirit. I knew he was amazing all along. 

Hmm... perhaps the two are like parallel versions?

[ShadOBabe 18,997]

5 minutes ago, Latecomer said:

Hmm... perhaps the two are like parallel versions?

The two? I’m not sure what you mean. There’s only one Ahuizotl in the show, they just retconned him to be more understandable.

Unless you’re just suggesting that a hypothetical opposite Ahui would be straight villainous, then yes, that would likely be the case.

[Latecomer 439]

3 minutes ago, SpookEBabe said:

The two? I’m not sure what you mean. There’s only one Ahuizotl in the show, they just retconned him to be more understandable.

Unless you’re just suggesting that a hypothetical opposite Ahui would be straight villainous, then yes, that would likely be the case.

The two aren't really compatible, so yeah, I was thinking of seeing them as mirror versions or good-and-evil twins.

[Rushing cash 836]

I am actually okay with the reformations. I still think reforming discord was a mistake from writing point of view but I think him being more neutral suits him better then being evil. 

Starlights reformation was a mixed bag. I was dissapointed by the backstory(it suites the show and the episode with the butterfly effect), I wanted something more deep and darker. Plus  she was an awesome villain, I wanted her to stay so but the reformation itself made sense, she did not want to screw equestria, so her realizing what she is doing is dooming everypony, made her change her ways. Also, the fact her character got developed during the seasons was the best part of her reformation.

Diamond tiaras reformation was sudden but the episode stunning. I just wish they could have used her more after the reformation. Her backstory was better then starlights at least. 

Stigeon was forced(they literally pulled him out of the shadow), overall it was pretty good.

Neighsay was not really a villain in the first place. As for garbel and auzohtil their reformations were more problematic, while I liked their idea for ahui, the execution is problematic and garbels is really forced I felt, he just was not in character in my opinion. 

I am glad lightning was not reformed, she is a similar pony to dash but she does not show her ego the same way as dash and of course she does not care about the safety of others, she does not want to hurt them, she just doesn't think about it.

 

 

[Js250476 1,367]

In my opinion the reformations in MLP is a mixed bag some are really well done in hindsight and others are pretty awful with previous episodes (like Garbel was trying to murder un hatched creatures but it’s okay he really liked poetry and was misunderstanding). Plus while some were rushed and happened to fast it did have some fantastic affects on the show in the long run. 

Starlight’s I did feel needed a stronger backstory to justifying doing what she was doing but the reformation itself I thought was alright when she realized Twilight never meeting her friends was more disastrous to Equestria then she ever thought which taught her how important friendship really is to the world. Admittedly season 6 did feel like she was being a bit of a creators pet but Season 7 onwards they did a better job at exploring her character and developing her (pairing her up with Trixie and Maud also helped a lot ) 

Sunset’s was to fast and quick but the consequences were well emphasized in Rainbow Rocks and her eventual bonding with the humane 6 was very satisfying. And of course since then all these years she’s become one of the best characters of the whole series and she’s been excellent since then. 

Discord’s I can understand why some people didn’t like but I took it as a necessary decision I especially loved that he wouldn’t have been nearly as prominent in the show as he was. And the twist with Grogar I get the complaints but I didn’t mind it. Discord was always arrogant and too overconfident for his own good he likely never even considered the possibility he would be betrayed (same happened the first time with Tirek) and he always was the type to help in his own Discord and twisted way.

And yeah I’m personally really happy Tirek, Cozy and Chrysalis weren’t reformed. We had enough at this point and a big part of why I loved the trio was how there evil dynamic and interactions was so well written. And really I don’t think that was intentional build up to them changing Chrysalis got a taste of friendship and she outright dismissed it as a disease she was just to stubborn to see e light.

and really to be fair to Film and Flam they may be con artists but they live in Equestria to and it isn’t really a good idea for business if the  world is destroyed by becoming a frozen wasteland 

[Jane 123]

On 24/10/2019 at 23:39, BrawnyCharger said:

Ahora que la serie ha concluido, analicemos el tema frecuente de los villanos y antagonistas de MLP que se están reformando. Específicamente, ubiquemos estos en 4 categorías:

• Villanos reformados y te alegra que lo hayan hecho.
• Villanos reformados pero desearías que no lo hubieran hecho.
• Villanos que no fueron reformados y te alegra que no lo hayan hecho.
• Villanos que no fueron reformados pero desearías que lo hubieran hecho.

¿Qué villanos / antagonistas crees que pertenecen a qué categoría y por qué piensas que sí?

I can't answer that question, nobody is a villain.

Nightmare Moon wanted her subjects to treat her as well as they treated her sister. Discord wanted fun and it's his nature. Chrysalis did the only thing he knew to feed his subjects. King Sombra was nothing more than a foal affected by the Umbrum, Tirek was a centaur pressed by his father, full of stress for spending a thousand years in the Tartar. Starlight Glimmer was a pony who wanted no one to suffer as she did, who then returned for revenge against those who ruined her life, The Shadow Pony was a unicorn who wanted her friends to respect him, Cozy Glow is a colt that doesn't understand friendship and has a bad concept of this.

 For me, none of them was a villain, much less the `` antagonists '' such as Lightning Dust, Nightsay, Flim and Flam, Gilda, Trixie, who are called that way because they are bad compared to the perfect protagonists.

 

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Just now, frida said:

I can't answer that question, nobody is a villain.

Nightmare Moon wanted her subjects to treat her as well as they treated her sister. Discord wanted fun and it's his nature. Chrysalis did the only thing he knew to feed his subjects. King Sombra was nothing more than a foal affected by the Umbrum, Tirek was a centaur pressed by his father, full of stress for spending a thousand years in the Tartar. Starlight Glimmer was a pony who wanted no one to suffer as she did, who then returned for revenge against those who ruined her life, The Shadow Pony was a unicorn who wanted her friends to respect him, Cozy Glow is a colt that doesn't understand friendship and has a bad concept of this.

 For me, none of them was a villain, much less the `` antagonists '' such as Lightning Dust, Nightsay, Flim and Flam, Gilda, Trixie, who are called that way because they are bad compared to the perfect protagonists.

 

Then what is a villain to you?