Zoop 8,384 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 After a bit of internal review, we've decided to disable the deleted post 'red bars' for folks who are not moderators. Though they were originally intended to act as a deterrent of sorts to rule-breaking, they ultimately served little purpose beyond cluttering threads with unnecessary battle scars (especially when multiple posts would be removed in one go). Given that the standardized warning system is more or less the most effective deterrent possible in terms of keeping people in line with the rules, we feel that there is no longer any real need to make a public spectacle out of hidden posts - especially when the vast majority of them are for relatively minor infractions. I don't think anyone enjoys having an eternal and public monument erected every time they make a minor mistake, especially when it's something relatively harmless in the long run. 39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XUNUSEDXXX 3,459 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Yeah, this is also good so the mods don't get a lot of grief because the warned member disagrees with the decision. Thank you for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Rising 2,156 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 But... I liked making a public spectacle out of mods unjustly hiding my posts... Darn... I guess I can still make an update or blog about it though! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flicker Sweet 3,391 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) I'm actually kinda glad those are gone....they were confusing and they just sparked your curiosity rather than make you think twice about breaking the rules now that I think about it....I was one of the people arguing in favor of this system Amazing how your opinion changes....... Edited October 10, 2012 by Red 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegisReflector 886 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 I haven't seen many of those recently, so I guess the members respect the rules LIKE THEY ARE PROGRAMMED OR SOMETHING..........hmmmmmmmm, this could be a conspiracy! Nah, just playing. But seriously, I've seen a significant decrease in red bars as of late. Looks like the mods are setting examples for our fellow members! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomuraBL 851 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Well, it's not like we can argue against this. Most the original members who argued for it and knew what they were talking about are gone now...at least I think they are, can't remember. My opinion on this is indifferent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Soul 2,612 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Well good, they were getting rather annoying... Quite honestly they were just bothering me in how they just made people think about what that one person said... 3 Soundcloud-------------------Facebook---------------------------Youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoop 8,384 October 10, 2012 Author Share October 10, 2012 Yeah, this is also good so the mods don't get a lot of grief because the warned member disagrees with the decision. But... I liked making a public spectacle out of mods unjustly hiding my posts... Darn... I guess I can still make an update or blog about it though! 'Moderation Dispute' support tickets are still available and perfectly viable for instances wherein someone disagrees with the removal of one of their posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starshine 16,335 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) Without the red bars indicating the deleted posts, some threads can be rather confusing if one of the replies suddenly disappears :x Say, me and Jimmy are discussing about a serious stuff, then in the middle of discussion Jimmy dropped the F-Bomb, I reported the post, the discussion moves on, then a mod deletes the previously mentioned F-Bomb. Others who checked the thread after the deletion would have no idea that there was a deleted post there, and the discussion between me and Jimmy would looks like it was 'cut in the middle by an unseen force' Can you just censor the post's content and the name instead of deleting everything on the whole? E: After I thought about it more... Maybe we don't need to see any of those deleted posts ever existing :x Move along, this idea is not good Edited October 10, 2012 by Star Weaver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkazoid 3,493 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) Nuuuuu, now what will I complain to jokuc about? D: I'm kinda glad they're gone, they did clutter a lot of space especially those "Brewing up drama" deleted posts in where a long chain of 30 posts follow xD Edited October 10, 2012 by Pinkazoid :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XUNUSEDXXX 3,459 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 However, if this removal of the said "red bars" also hides the names of the staff member(s) who carried out the action, then the warned member in question will have a disagreement towards the idea that their post was removed rather than disliking the mod who removed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVC NVMXD JVRXD 2,406 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 I have, for the most part, always disliked these, as I have seen them as a sort of public shame display for the offender. Hidden posts should be exactly that, hidden, nothing more, nothing less. Ya did good, guys. ;D 1 I HAD TO FALL TO LOSE IT ALL BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER /WRISTS On 4/28/2013 at 8:13 PM, gooM said: Djenty...man you are crazy, but an awesome sort of crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoop 8,384 October 10, 2012 Author Share October 10, 2012 However, if this removal of the said "red bars" also hides the names of the staff member(s) who carried out the action, then the warned member in question will have a disagreement towards the idea that their post was removed rather than disliking the mod who removed it. Nope - when you receive a warning you are informed of who issued it, along with a brief note explaining why the warning was issued in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Rarity Pony 4,892 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Aww, but I liked it when the picture thread had entire pages full of red. Oh well. Now you can write really rude deletion descriptions that the regular members will never see. LRP's opinions are subject to change without notice. Fees and penalties still apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix3M 607 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) Red is an attention-grabbing color. Can't we at least have something less obnoxious than having a color that grabs unnecessary attention? Edited October 10, 2012 by Pix3M My deviantArt page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beat Shock 581 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 YES THANK YOU!!! It is probably very embarrassing when you have a hidden post, and it tells everyone else that it's YOUR post. This should be more of a private thing, so I thank you for changing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morethanicecream 116 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Thanks for changing it. I haven't had a hidden post. It was a bit embarresing for those people cause I believe my brother had one. When I told him, I think he blushed. Thank you for removing it. The forum is coming along well here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Light Diamond 2,802 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) Lets test this new idea... SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM. Nah Im just kidding. I do really like this idea, It can sometimes be rather embarrassing to have your post hidden. It is also really confusing when it comes to notifications, When someone replies to something you said and then their post has been hidden. Thanks. Edited October 10, 2012 by Flame Dancer Something something something something Ask me stuff...and all my OC's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Diamond 7,575 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 Now this forum will look more like an online forum and less like a compilation of redacted government documents pertaining to the JFK assassination. 8 Domine, tu omnia nosti, tu scis quia amo te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavelColt 22,882 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 >Remove the red bar system from the forum >Biggest drama llama attack in a single thread in recent forum history >Carnage no longer visible to members, just in the nick of time 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife 455 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) I would have to respectfully disagree with this decision. While yes, it may make the forums look 'pretty', a large deterrent factor for a bunch of people was indeed that public display of failure (for lack of a better term). Some people would actually consider their post before clicking "Post" to make sure it would not get removed and be a monument to their failure. Furthermore, it helped members keep track of their posts and the posts of others. If a message got removed or moved, it was far easier to see where, why, and who-dun-it. Removing that system leaves us pretty close back to square one in terms of keeping track of what Moderators do when they get whimsical. Sure, we get those notifications still, but they are missing a plethora of benefits we had with this 'red tag' feature. Either way, whatever. Yet another step in the direction of favoring aesthetics over staff accountability and user track-ability. Not like I can do anything about it. Edited October 10, 2012 by Strife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilshy 5,090 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 I would have to respectfully disagree with this decision. While yes, it may make the forums look 'pretty', a large deterrent factor for a bunch of people was indeed that public display of failure (for lack of a better term). Some people would actually consider their post before clicking "Post" to make sure it would not get removed and be a monument to their failure. I think most people are like me, in that the only time they post moddable stuff is when they are caught up in an argument, or some other conflict full of fiery passion and rage. At times like these, my post becoming a monument to my stupidity is very low on the list of things I'm thinking about. Furthermore, it helped members keep track of their posts and the posts of others. If a message got removed or moved, it was far easier to see where, why, and who-dun-it. Removing that system leaves us pretty close back to square one in terms of keeping track of what Moderators do when they get whimsical. Sure, we get those notifications still, but they are missing a plethora of benefits we had with this 'red tag' feature. I agree with you partially on this. While red bars did make it so others could see why post were deleted, more often than not, users wouldn't have seen the post before deletion, and therefore, they haven't really learned anything as far as what's okay and what's not. A message saying that a post was deleted due to being abusive does little good when only a few people actually saw it and what made it abusive. Although, even if it doesn't look very pretty, I have always liked being able to see that somebody posted, even if I can't see the post. judging by the replies of others, you can generally piece together the gist of what was said in the deleted post. 3 Signature now 99% less edgy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife 455 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 I agree with you partially on this. While red bars did make it so others could see why post were deleted, more often than not, users wouldn't have seen the post before deletion, and therefore, they haven't really learned anything as far as what's okay and what's not. A message saying that a post was deleted due to being abusive does little good when only a few people actually saw it and what made it abusive. And that isn't even remotely close to what I said. I said it normally encourages people to check their post before submitting it due to trying to prevent a public display of failure in the case it was removed and left a red mark. NOT that people would learn from a removed post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilshy 5,090 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 (edited) And that isn't even remotely close to what I said. I said it normally encourages people to check their post before submitting it due to trying to prevent a public display of failure in the case it was removed and left a red mark. NOT that people would learn from a removed post. *ahem* You may want to reread my post. "I think most people are like me, in that the only time they post moddable stuff is when they are caught up in an argument, or some other conflict full of fiery passion and rage. At times like these, my post becoming a monument to my stupidity is very low on the list of things I'm thinking about." Edited October 10, 2012 by Evilshy 2 Signature now 99% less edgy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strife 455 October 10, 2012 Share October 10, 2012 *ahem* You may want to reread my post. "I think most people are like me, in that the only time they post moddable stuff is when they are caught up in an argument, or some other conflict full of fiery passion and rage. At times like these, my post becoming a monument to my stupidity is very low on the list of things I'm thinking about." That isn't the section I was referring to. Try looking at what I actually quoted ... that quote function is there for a reason. Regardless, we're deviating slightly off-topic. It would be best to discontinue this pointless discourse so that the main topic can be focused upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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