mega thread Everypony's Religion And Why?

[Arctic Night 884]

I don't have a religion. I am an agnostic atheist. (Agnostic because I don't believe in absolutes, and because we cannot test the existence of God. Atheist because I assume that there is no such thing.) Why am I an atheist? There is no evidence. Not a shred. The religious, when trying to convert me, only appeal to my emotions.

well ya aint gotta be so harsh about it. I mean when you think about it both Christians and Atheists think something came from nothing so if you think about it, it makes zero sense to mock or judge one another.

It wasn't really that harsh. What you said was easily more so, as it was a false generalization completely misrepresenting atheists as well as the scientific consensus on the origins of the Universe.

 

 

Ouch dude, you don't need to be so harsh on a thread where you know there are bronies of faith. I get that you are an atheist and I have no problem with that, can't we just let bygones be bygones?

It wasn't harsh.

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

I don't have a religion. I am an agnostic atheist. (Agnostic because I don't believe in absolutes, and because we cannot test the existence of God. Atheist because I assume that there is no such thing.) Why am I an atheist? There is no evidence. Not a shred. The religious, when trying to convert me, only appeal to my emotions.

It wasn't really that harsh. What you said was easily more so, as it was a false generalization completely misrepresenting atheists as well as the scientific consensus on the origins of the Universe.

 

 

It wasn't harsh.

yeah it was he basically said Christians were stupid. Would it be harsh if i said all atheists were stupid? I think it would be so please read before you speak

[Arctic Night 884]

yeah it was he basically said Christians were stupid. Would it be harsh if i said all atheists were stupid? I think it would be so please read before you speak

Except that's not what he said. He said the teachings were stupid. That's hardly an attack on Christians, or adherents of any religion for that matter.

 

 

I'm an atheist, because there is no evidence to support the god hypothesis. As I see it, none of the world's religions make sense and many claims they make have been disproved by science (I speak mostly here about Abrahamic religions, since those are the ones I know best).

 

Also I find the much of religious teachings (this includes Christianity) to be incredibly stupid and/or manipulative

[GreyScholar 1,584]

Except that's not what he said. He said the teachings were stupid. That's hardly an attack on Christians, or adherents of any religion for that matter.

By saying the teachings are stupid, it implies that anyone who believes the teaching is also stupid. This is a logical train of thought that shows how such a statement can be taken as offense.

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

Except that's not what he said. He said the teachings were stupid. That's hardly an attack on Christians, or adherents of any religion for that matter.

And Christians follow those "stupid" teachings its an insult to the religion period. I dont like having these debates like this they always end up bad because almost everypony assumes because your Christian your judgemental, homophobic and like to condemn anyone who isnt christian to hell which FYI is not true its a load of crap. I am still going because this need 100 letters so there ya go.

[Arctic Night 884]

By saying the teachings are stupid, it implies that anyone who believes the teaching is also stupid.

No... No it doesn't. Maybe he does think Christians are stupid. I can't speak for him. But what I can say, is that you don't have to be "stupid" at all to be misled, especially not when you are indoctrinated as a child, by people you care about.

 

Nice try though.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

well ya aint gotta be so harsh about it. I mean when you think about it both Christians and Atheists think something came from nothing so if you think about it, it makes zero sense to mock or judge one another.

As an atheist, I don't think that something came from nothing. I don't know, I can only speculate. Also, even if it was a shared belief, that doesn't excuse Christianity from other things that I find mock-able.

Ouch dude, you don't need to be so harsh on a thread where you know there are bronies of faith. I get that you are an atheist and I have no problem with that, can't we just let bygones be bygones?

I just stated why I'm an atheist, but I can see how you might find problem with "Also I find the much of religious teachings (this includes Christianity) to be incredibly stupid and/or manipulative"

 

Allow me to justify my feelings here:

 

One example of this (now this is not all Christianity I know) is the threat of being sent to Hell for not accepting Jesus as your savior. It's manipulative because you claim that someone will be tortured for eternity for not subscribing to their religious beliefs. A better example of a stupid belief is that the Earth is about 6,000 years old (this is directed at creationists, but it's the first example that came to mind), despite overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

No... No it doesn't. Maybe he does think Christians are stupid. I can't speak for him. But what I can say, is that you don't have to be "stupid" at all to be misled, especially not when you are indoctrinated as a child, by people you care about.

 

Nice try though.

Now that, to me, is insulting. I hate, hate, hate, hate atheists and others suggesting that I am brainwashed or indoctrinated. That is, for me, terribly insulting.

 

Being told I am either stupid, brainwashed, or indoctrinated to believe in God and believe the religious texts of my church... that, I do not like.

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

This is about how i feel with this whole thing right now. This whole convo is getting out of hand. Dont yall remember L&T? I know i do.

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGd0gD0QNE

[Arctic Night 884]

And Christians follow those "stupid" teachings its an insult to the religion period. I dont like having these debates like this they always end up bad because almost everypony assumes because your Christian your judgemental, homophobic and like to condemn anyone who isnt christian to hell which FYI is not true its a load of crap. I am still going because this need 100 letters so there ya go.

I haven't really assumed those things, so they don't seem to apply here. Also, I don't need to respect religions any more than I need to respect McDonalds, or the Republican Party. You might feel a strong connection to it, and that's fine, but some people don't.

 And my lack of respect for Christianity should not be twisted into a lack of respect for people I have never met. That is inaccurate.

 

 

Now that, to me, is insulting. I hate, hate, hate, hate atheists and others suggesting that I am brainwashed or indoctrinated. That is, for me, terribly insulting.

 

Being told I am either stupid, brainwashed, or indoctrinated to believe in God and believe the religious texts of my church... that, I do not like.

Okay. I'm sorry.

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

By saying the teachings are stupid, it implies that anyone who believes the teaching is also stupid. This is a logical train of thought that shows how such a statement can be taken as offense.

Not at all. Being stupid and having stupid thoughts are two completely different things. Plenty of scientists were religious, I wouldn't dare call them stupid. I did make sure to say teachings, because I do believe many of them are stupid and manipulative. I posted two examples, but I can give more if you'd like.

 

And Christians follow those "stupid" teachings its an insult to the religion period. I dont like having these debates like this they always end up bad because almost everypony assumes because your Christian your judgemental, homophobic and like to condemn anyone who isnt christian to hell which FYI is not true its a load of crap. I am still going because this need 100 letters so there ya go.

And now you're making a straw man argument. That's not what I'm saying at all. I know not all Christians believe these things. Believe me, I was forced to go to a church many times this last year that didn't teach any of that stuff.

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

I haven't really assumed those things, so they don't seem to apply here. Also, I don't need to respect religions any more than I need to respect McDonalds, 

See that offends me you should have respect for people no matter what their belief otherwise its just being a dick and you should know that. Now i am NOT calling you a dick but these Anti-Religion activists are.

[Arctic Night 884]

See that offends me you should have respect for people no matter what their belief otherwise its just being a dick and you should know that. Now i am NOT calling you a dick but these Anti-Religion activists are.

I just said that this shouldn't be twisted into a lack of respect for people adhering to religion. You are becoming offended at something I never said.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@,

You do have any idea what is it liked to be mocked for your believes, to be told that you only believe what you do because others told you it was true and that you were raised to believe that?

 

It completely invalidates freedom of thought and suggests I am not in control of my own beliefs or mind. That I cannot of my own choice and by consideration, research, and thought believe there is a God.

 

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is?

[Rainbow S.D. 546]

I'm am an Atheist!    I became one because I realized the science behind it made more sense than the bible. Relax! I tolerate people with other beliefs! I'm not /r/atheism. 

Edited June 19, 2014 by A Rainbow Makusu2

[Arctic Night 884]

@,

You do have any idea what is it liked to be mocked for your believes, to be told that you only believe what you do because others told you it was true and that you were raised to believe that?

 

It completely invalidates freedom of thought and suggests I am not in control of my own beliefs or mind. That I cannot of my own choice and by consideration, research, and thought believe there is a God.

 

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is?

Yes. I do know what it's like to be mocked. (Which I am not doing.) I was a Catholic for a very long time. I was told that I wasn't a real Christian, and that I worshiped the sun or some such nonsense.

 

I've also been told that because of my sexuality, I will suffer unspeakable torture for all eternity.

 

And I'm sorry for assuming that you had a religious upbringing. That was wrong. I can never be sure of another person's standard of evidence.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Star Stripe

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

Okay everyone, let's just calm down here

 

Let's avoid personal attacks or judgements and focus on the actual arguments being presented (this is a debate after all)

 

Also, let it be known that I do not think less of people simply for believing in God.

Edited June 19, 2014 by LZRD WZRD

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

Yes. I do know what it's like to be mocked. I was a Catholic for a very long time. I was told that I wasn't a real Christian, and that I worshiped the sun or some such nonsense.

 

I've also been told that because of my sexuality, I will suffer unspeakable torture for all eternity.

 

And I'm sorry for assuming that you had a religious upbringing. That was wrong. I can never be sure of another person's standard of evidence.

So...you gave up on your religion because of peer pressure? Makes alot of sense. See i will never abandon my religion because i want to believe it and if you can respect that well fine ill ignore you. I treat people with the same amount of respect they treat me with so if someone wants to be a dick to me ill be a dick back if not then i wont.

[Arctic Night 884]

So...you gave up on your religion because of peer pressure? Makes alot of sense. See i will never abandon my religion because i want to believe it and if you can respect that well fine ill ignore you. I treat people with the same amount of respect they treat me with so if someone wants to be a dick to me ill be a dick back if not then i wont.

No... No. I already said that I am an atheist because of a lack of evidence. Stop with the strawmans. Please. It's not Guy Fawkes Day.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

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I apologize to hear you had problems for being a Catholic and for your sexuality. I may have beliefs counter to yours when it comes to homosexuality (if I assume correctly that is what you mean) but I also know attacking people and treating them badly with do nothing in bring them closer to God... it will just get them to hate the church and perhaps even God, that or have them believe he doesn't exist.

 

We are all brothers and sisters I believe so treating each other poorly is not the way we should treat each other.

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Honestly I have it even worse then most Christians since I am a convert to the LDS/Mormon church, so not only do I have atheists mocking or telling me I am wrong but many Christians attacking me for not being a 'real' Christian. So really I have problems from both believers and non-believers.

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[LZRD WZRD 1,929]

Here's a question I have to theists: Why your religion? If you're a Christian, what makes your branch of Christianity correct? Or why not Islam, or Scientology etc?

 

On what basis do you believe that your religion is the one true one?

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

 

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Honestly I have it even worse then most Christian since I am a convert to the LDS/Mormon church, so not only do I have atheists mocking or telling me I am wrong but many Christians attacking me for not being a 'real' Christian. So really I have problems from both believers and non-believers.

See if someone is gonna mock you for something like that their being a dick personally i dont mock or judge anyone unless they mock or judge me first.

Here's a question I have to theists: Why your religion? If you're a Christian, what makes your branch of Christianity correct? Or why not Islam, or Scientology etc?

 

On what basis do you believe that your religion is the one true one?

So you want proof its real? Okay first give proof being an atheist is correct. Give me proof there is no god. I know i sure as hell cant give you proof hes real thats why theres this thing called faith.

[Arctic Night 884]

Okay everyone, let's just calm down here

 

Let's avoid personal attacks or judgements and focus on the actual arguments being presented (this is a debate after all)

 

Also, let it be known that I do not think less of people simply for believing in God.

Made me think of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSLkQnCurgs

 

 

So you want proof its real? Okay first give proof being an atheist is correct. Give me proof there is no god. I know i sure as hell cant give you proof hes real thats why theres this thing called faith.

Burden of Proof. I can't disprove your god anymore than I can disprove the existence of Q from Star Trek.

[GreyScholar 1,584]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Well, I see it as common, not only for religion but for a lot of things. Mockery has actually been make into a form of comedy.

 

So you want proof its real? Okay first give proof being an atheist is correct. Give me proof there is no god. I know i sure as hell cant give you proof hes real thats why theres this thing called faith.

Sighs, the problem with that argument is that atheists will counter that the burden of proof lies with theists. 

Edited June 19, 2014 by EquestrianScholar

[ChipsAhoyMcCoy 127]

@@ChipsAhoyMcCoy

Well, I see it as common, not only for religion but for a lot of things. Mockery has actually been make into a form of comedy.

 

Sighs, the problem with that argument is that atheists will counter that the burden of proof lies with theists. 

Yes it is nice to see someone that shares the same beliefs as me with exception that i am non-denominational and you said you were mormon correct?