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All it takes is to believe and accept that Jesus died, rose again and saved us from sin. It's not about how strong you are, it's about whether or not you have accepted that you're forgiven

I do know some Christians who think Jesus was just a great moral teacher. There are actually some valid ways to explain it without ignoring his claims that he was the Son of God. (We're all children of God, Jesus was one too).

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I do know some Christians who think Jesus was just a great moral teacher. There are actually some valid ways to explain it without ignoring his claims that he was the Son of God. (We're all children of God, Jesus was one too).

 

That seems to be not giving the man His due credit though. Where do you stand on this idea?

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That seems to be not giving the man His due credit though. Where do you stand on this idea?

Does one have to give him a lot of credit? One can think that he deserves a lot of credit, but one can also think the opposite. I for one thank him for his sacrifices. 

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That seems to be not giving the man His due credit though. Where do you stand on this idea?

Why not? I think Jesus had a special relationship with God that was rare. Being wise is one of the best traits to have. It honestly doesn't matter if he's divine or not, though I do think it's interesting that Mark, the first written gospel, is based on his actions, but John, the last written gospel, is based on his divinity.

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Does one have to give him a lot of credit? One can think that he deserves a lot of credit, but one can also think the opposite. I for one thank him for his sacrifices. 

 

Certainly I'm not dictating what people should think, but think that if people believe Jesus was not the son of God, then they aren't really Christian in the traditional sense.

Why not? I think Jesus had a special relationship with God that was rare. Being wise is one of the best traits to have. It honestly doesn't matter if he's divine or not, though I do think it's interesting that Mark, the first written gospel, is based on his actions, but John, the last written gospel, is based on his divinity.

 

So you would qualify as one of the aforementioned "not son of God/God incarnate" schools of thought?

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Certainly I'm not dictating what people should think, but think that if people believe Jesus was not the son of God, then they aren't really Christian in the traditional sense.

Well, I am one to believe that we are all the sons and daughters of god. 

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Well, I am one to believe that we are all the sons and daughters of god. 

 

As am I, and as Jesus taught.

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Well, I am one to believe that we are all the sons and daughters of god.

 

Hey, what about the intersex and nonbinary people? What do we call them? ...the rabbits of God? o.o (I kid.)

 

Certainly I'm not dictating what people should think, but think that if people believe Jesus was not the son of God, then they aren't really Christian in the traditional sense.

 

So you would qualify as one of the aforementioned "not son of God/God incarnate" schools of thought?

I don't believe he was fully divine, the trinity is too confusing for me to get my head around that. I'm willing to accept that he was perhaps somewhat divine, but yeah, I guess so.

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I don't believe he was fully divine, the trinity is too confusing for me to get my head around that. I'm willing to accept that he was perhaps somewhat divine, but yeah, I guess so.

 

What do you find confusing about the Trinity? 

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Hey, what about the intersex and nonbinary people? What do we call them? ...the rabbits of God? o.o (I kid.)

 

I don't really find these kind of jokes to be funny since this is my problem with my religion. There are a lot of people out there that put a black stain upon Christianity. So forgive me if I am not really laughing 

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I don't really find these kind of jokes to be funny since this is my problem with my religion. There are a lot of people out there that put a black stain upon Christianity. So forgive me if I am not really laughing 

 

 

I know what you mean but if we can't laugh at our own faith, how can we say we have it? There's a thin line between religious jokes that are funny because they depict God as human and frustrated and those that aren't because they demonize or discredit the idea.

 

For instance:

 

Jesus walks by a crowd getting ready to stone someone.

 

"Let he who has no sin on his soul, cast the first stone."

 

One rock goes flying past his head to hit the person.

 

"Moooooom! I was trying to make a point!"

Edited May 28, 2015 by Steel Accord

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What do you find confusing about the Trinity?

 

Jesus said he wasn't good in one of the passages, and that only God was good. Either he really said that or he said something similar and the author of Mark found reason to include it.

 

I don't really find these kind of jokes to be funny since this is my problem with my religion. There are a lot of people out there that put a black stain upon Christianity. So forgive me if I am not really laughing 

Ah, no, it's alright, I don't like it when black humor goes too far. I'm a (probably) trans peep who still follows basic Christian beliefs, if that helps, so I wasn't trying to make fun of anything (:

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I know what you mean but if we can't laugh at our own faith, how can we say we have it? There's a thin line between religious jokes that are funny because they depict God as human and frustrated and those that aren't because they demonize or discredit the idea.

 

For instance:

 

Jesus walks by a crowd getting ready to stone someone.

 

"Let he who has no sin on his soul, cast the first stone."

 

One rock goes flying past his head to hit the person.

 

"Moooooom! I was trying to make a point!"

I think it is fine to make jokes of our own religion, just not on the expanse of others (particularly those that have been prosecuted by the religion). 

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Jesus said he wasn't good in one of the passages, and that only God was good. Either he really said that or he said something similar and the author of Mark found reason to include it.

 

So is that one passage your entire basis of belief that Jesus was not God in human form? 

 

 

 

Ah, no, it's alright, I don't like it when black humor goes too far. I'm a (probably) trans peep who still follows basic Christian beliefs, if that helps, so I wasn't trying to make fun of anything (:

 

In all seriousness, yes, I still think God would include all the LGBT spectrum as His children.  

I think it is fine to make jokes of our own religion, just not on the expanse of others (particularly those that have been prosecuted by the religion). 

 

Well yeah, because they often aren't meant to make light humor at shortcomings but as vicious satire, and almost universally not by people who are religious so it's just antagonizing an entire culture indiscriminately.

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So is that one passage your entire basis of belief that Jesus was not God in human form? 

 

 

 

In all seriousness, yes, I still think God would include all the LGBT spectrum as His children.  

 

 

Well yeah, because they often aren't meant to make light humor at shortcomings but as vicious satire, and almost universally not by people who are religious so it's just antagonizing an entire culture indiscriminately.

1. It's implied from that passage Jesus viewed him and God as separate entities. Also:

 

“Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” (1 Timothy 1:17)

 

Jesus did actually die, so, no, in my opinion he can't be God. I'm willing to believe God and the Holy Spirit are the same thing, as a Unitarian, but I can't accept Jesus as fully divine. I won't bash anybody who does, though, as long as they don't misuse it. At the end of the day, though, only God knows, and I'm comfortable knowing only God knows and stuff.

 

2.Yes-it's interesting to note that the earliest surviving Hebrew of most of the law portions of the Torah read 'from male to female', not 'male and female' so I believe Jews and Christians should acknowledge intersex people. ...also once you consider that there are intersex people, all arguments against homosexual marriage are...basically...uh...

 

3.Agreed. Radical atheists annoy the hell out of me. It's not the Christians too-after Zayn Malik left One Direction (no, I couldn't care less about One Direction Backstreet Boys forever important to point this out though) one atheist television persona joked he was a terrorist and one of the Bostom bombers (from all I know they were on tour that time) because he was a Muslim. ...radical anythings are...ugh. Most atheists I know are ashamed of people like him, thankfully.

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1. It's implied from that passage Jesus viewed him and God as separate entities. Also: “Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” (1 Timothy 1:17) Jesus did actually die, so, no, in my opinion he can't be God. I'm willing to believe God and the Holy Spirit are the same thing, as a Unitarian, but I can't accept Jesus as fully divine. I won't bash anybody who does, though, as long as they don't misuse it. At the end of the day, though, only God knows, and I'm comfortable knowing only God knows and stuff.

 

That's why we (Catholics at least) call it "the mystery of the most Holy Trinity." We don't fully understand it but believe it to be true. Yes, Jesus was God, but He was also a man. Yes He prayed to His Father at times, but also told His disciples that He was the way.

 

To my mind, these don't contradict each other. Jesus was born human but He was God incarnate, but as a human He was embodied in ways the Father and Holy Spirit were not, so He was at once, separate and the same being.

 

 

 

2.Yes-it's interesting to note that the earliest surviving Hebrew of most of the law portions of the Torah read 'from male to female', not 'male and female' so I believe Jews and Christians should acknowledge intersex people. ...also once you consider that there are intersex people, all arguments against homosexual marriage are...basically...uh...

 

Who said anything about being against gay marriage?

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That's why we (Catholics at least) call it "the mystery of the most Holy Trinity." We don't fully understand it but believe it to be true. Yes, Jesus was God, but He was also a man. Yes He prayed to His Father at times, but also told His disciples that He was the way.

 

To my mind, these don't contradict each other. Jesus was born human but He was God incarnate, but as a human He was embodied in ways the Father and Holy Spirit were not, so He was at once, separate and the same being.

 

 

 

Who said anything about being against gay marriage?

 

Hmm, fair point, but Deuteronomy tells us to love the Lord with all our minds, so I tend to use a bit of logic while discussing theology. That is an interesting way of viewing things, though. I'm fine with anything that's not conservative Evangelicalism, because I was a conservative Evangelical until two years ago, and to be honest, I was crap. I'm still crap, but I'm honestly a much better person as a Unitarian Universalist who's a(n)...agonistic?...hopeful theist?...Liberal Christian?...rabbit?

 

Also, I was reffering to almost all of the ultraconservative Christians who are against gay marriage by justifying that there are two sexes, and therefore they must be made for each other. ...which is logically bull, not to mention an atrocity against psychology, but in any case...the existence of intersex people complicates that argument a little. The existence of nonbinary people (I'm no expert but I can safely tell you that the concept of androgyny is not tumblr-exclusive) complicates it eben more.

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Hmm, fair point, but Deuteronomy tells us to love the Lord with all our minds, so I tend to use a bit of logic while discussing theology. That is an interesting way of viewing things, though. I'm fine with anything that's not conservative Evangelicalism, because I was a conservative Evangelical until two years ago, and to be honest, I was crap. I'm still crap, but I'm honestly a much better person as a Unitarian Universalist who's a(n)...agonistic?...hopeful theist?...Liberal Christian?...rabbit?

 

Don't say that about yourself. God wants us to repent for our faults, but He doesn't want us to feel like we don't deserve it.

 

That is a whole lot of contradicting schools of thought that you are sort of a part of. No chance on narrowing it down any?

 

 

 

Also, I was reffering to almost all of the ultraconservative Christians who are against gay marriage by justifying that there are two sexes, and therefore they must be made for each other. ...which is logically bull, not to mention an atrocity against psychology, but in any case...the existence of intersex people complicates that argument a little. The existence of nonbinary people (I'm no expert but I can safely tell you that the concept of androgyny is not tumblr-exclusive) complicates it eben more.

 

Yeah the existence of many people who look androgynous kind of proves it's not tumblr exclusive. Which I wouldn't even presume it to be because I don't ever use it. (Tumblr, not androgyny I mean. Broad shoulders, chest hair. It's fairly obvious I'm a dude.)

 

Even then though there are gay conservatives, but that's more leaning into politics which is not the purpose of this thread, but I think it bares mentioning simply because even what we perceive as the extreme can have nuance to it if looked at close enough. Hence my policy is "treat everyone on a case by case basis."

Edited May 28, 2015 by Steel Accord

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Don't say that about yourself. God wants us to repent for our faults, but He doesn't want us to feel like we don't deserve it.

 

That is a whole lot of contradicting schools of thought that you are sort of a part of. No chance on narrowing it down any?

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah the existence of many people who look androgynous kind of proves it's not tumblr exclusive. Which I wouldn't even presume it to be because I don't ever use it. (Tumblr, not androgyny I mean. Broad shoulders, chest hair. It's fairly obvious I'm a dude.)

 

Even then though there are gay conservatives, but that's more leaning into politics which is not the purpose of this thread, but I think it bares mentioning simply because even what we perceive as the extreme can have nuance to it if looked at close enough. Hence my policy is "treat everyone on a case by case basis."

I'd say I'm an agonistic who personally hopes that God exists and follows basic Christian moral values without necessarily believing in the theology. ...God, that's too complicated.

 

Thanks (: That's a good way to look at life, though, yeah, we shouldn't focus all on politics on this thread.

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I'd say I'm an agonistic who personally hopes that God exists and follows basic Christian moral values without necessarily believing in the theology. ...God, that's too complicated.

 

Why agnostic though? You seem pretty in favor of there being a Divinity of some sort. The fact that you used "God" as an exasperation helps. (And that you capitalized it.)

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https://mlpforums.com/blog/2000/entry-16729-through-blind-eyes-may-we-see/

 

The best blog post ever. Everyone in the entire universe should read it.

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Why agnostic though? You seem pretty in favor of there being a Divinity of some sort. The fact that you used "God" as an exasperation helps. (And that you capitalized it.)

I capitalized God out of respect. Also, I do hope there is a deity of some sort, but at the end of the day, I don't know.

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I capitalized God out of respect. Also, I do hope there is a deity of some sort, but at the end of the day, I don't know.

 

What makes you think any of us think we do know?

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What makes you think any of us think we do know?

That's why I think humanity's default mode should be agonisticm. At the end of the say, WE don't know. It's up to us what religion or way of life to take, but the end of the day we don't know.

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That's why I think humanity's default mode should be agonisticm. At the end of the say, WE don't know. It's up to us what religion or way of life to take, but the end of the day we don't know.

 

That's not agnosticism though. I certainly don't know, no one does, but I choose to believe.