gaming Pokemon X and Pokemon Y, Generation 6 is here!

[Haven Celestii 9,385]

Because there is a a new generation of players that wont be able to play them as they are for GBA and as of the DSi and 3DS they no longer have GBA slots. So you have a group that no longer has access to those games. Pokemon feeds off nostalgia and keeping things familiar.  They will eventually bring everything to a current system so people can have "the good ol days".

Hmmm, I see what you're getting at.

 

I guess it just seemed weird since you had said FR/LG instead of R/B or something. My brain's weird like that.

 

I'm still somewhat sceptical on the whole idea, but I do hope they do that. Still doubt I'll play a third gen remake as I've too many hours into Sapphire and Emerald...

[Jonke 3,743]

Because there is a a new generation of players that wont be able to play them as they are for GBA and as of the DSi and 3DS they no longer have GBA slots. So you have a group that no longer has access to those games. Pokemon feeds off nostalgia and keeping things familiar.  They will eventually bring everything to a current system so people can have "the good ol days".

 

The thing is... this would eventually lead to another generation missing the 3DS games, it's an endless loop. Gamefreak could instead spend their time developing new games and move forward.

 

Besides, most old games get the "Virtual Console" treatment, so that they're available through the newer systems.

 

@@Brook, No I'm not a hoenn fanboy. I just don't like the new pokemon cause they almost look the same as some that already exists. Also the names are getting worse and worse. But of course I like the old pokemon better. I am almost three years older than you and I grew up with those. About the whole 3D thing, I just like it in 2D more.

 

I must disagree here.... I've been a fan since the very start of generation 1 and i think their pokemon design has improved a lot since back then. In fact very many pokemon from generation one were simply recolored versions of our own animals.

 

3D vs 2D is questionable, i still think it's great that they're taking a new route on the main series and using the true potential of the  3DS.

[Tempest Chaser 45]

The thing is... this would eventually lead to another generation missing the 3DS games, it's an endless loop. Gamefreak could instead spend their time developing new games and move forward.

 

Besides, most old games get the "Virtual Console" treatment, so that they're available through the newer systems.

 

That is normal people thinking, and we have seen that they remake the games so that "new generations" can experience them. I'm not saying it will happen but given the history it seems likely.

[Jonke 3,743]

That is normal people thinking, and we have seen that they remake the games so that "new generations" can experience them. I'm not saying it will happen but given the history it seems likely.

 

True but as @ said, why would they prioritize remaking a game that's already a remake of another game? There's no doubt that they will remake generation 3 once generation 6 has been settled though.

[DusK 1,264]

Really? REALLY? Are they serious? What the fuck? Even more Pokémon? The last generation was terrible. They have 649 Pokémon, yet they're making another 200? Why can't they just do new games with the same ones.. They're killing pokemon :C I want the old 2D style pokemon games back ... like r,s,e, fr or lg (the older ones are awesome too but we all know they're not making a game without colors)

 

Anyways, if I had to pick one I'd pick Froakie.

 

If you want to play early-Gen Pokemon games, feel free to fire up your old Game Boy Advance or an emulator and play early-Gen Pokemon games. They're not going anywhere. The rest of us, however, don't feel like playing the same game over and over again.

Edited January 14, 2013 by DusK

[Jalaton 155]

So, Yveltal(ee-vel-tal) vs Xerneas, which is the better of the two new legendaries?

I'm partial to Yveltal, it's appearence is very striking to me. I hope it's not a Dragon type though. :3 Xerneas is cool as well, but looks an awful lot like Arceus and Virizion...

 

Yveltal for me. They both look nice but Yveltal just looks a bit nicer to me, I'm also hoping he's not dragon. I think that we have enough dragon legendaries, at least for main legendaries. I wouldn't mind if there was some other 6th gen legendary that's dragon as long as it's not a main legend.

[Kapi 215]

Why would they make a remake of a remake?

 

Remakeception

 

I'm just not seeing the whole point of doing so, unless they could make it at least twice as good. Which doesnt seem possible.

Actually, here's my thought. R/S/E and FR/LG remakes would be a pretty good idea because some Pokemon from those regions can only be caught in those games. In order to take them to B/W or B2/W2 ou have to first transfer to one of the Gen IV games, and then again transfer to one of the Gen V games. If this trend keeps up, you'll have to transfer from Gen V to Gen VI as well. In other words, unless you own all those games and all the components needed for transferring, there's no way to get those Pokemon. Sure, there's very few, but still.

 

That's why I would really like it if they would find some way to allow Pokemon to be trade among generations, like G/S/C did with R/B/Y. Add in restrictions, and bingo, they did it perfectly back then. Besides, it would open up a world of new opportunities to trade, and maybe even battle.

 

Pokemon needs to keep going. And if X and Y end up being as popular as hype leads you to believe, the 3DS may start seeing more, and better games, and it needs it, badly.

 

EDIT: I wanted to throw this out there. The Nintendo Press site released an archive containing high res artwork of the starters and the legendaries. These are the Sugimori artworks, and are the same thing as shown in the trailer, but much, much cleaner.  You should be able to access it, if not, PM me and I'll try to upload them on my own server. Bulbapedia has them too, but I'm not sure if they've been modified or not..

Edited January 15, 2013 by Kapi

[Jonke 3,743]

If this trend keeps up, you'll have to transfer from Gen V to Gen VI as well. In other words, unless you own all those games and all the components needed for transferring, there's no way to get those Pokemon. Sure, there's very few, but still.

 

That's why they take the simplest and easiest route to solve this issue, by reintroducing those pokemon through Mystery gift events and Wi-Fi events, etc.

 

I'm not against remakes of previous generation games, i just don't think it's always the best option, when there're other ways to solve problems like the ones mentioned above. The primarily reason would be to play in the region again and experience the story with improved gameplay and graphics which i can understand many would appreciate.

 

While remakes are cool, i would rather see them create something new, possibly a Wii U game with good connectivity between console and handheld.

[Kapi 215]

That's why they take the simplest and easiest route to solve this issue, by reintroducing those pokemon through Mystery gift events and Wi-Fi events, etc.

True, however, if the past is any indication of the future, there were events from Generation IV that never occurred for one reason or another. This holds true for Generation III as well.

 

I think what needs to happen is a way to get ALL Pokemon in ONE Generation. Transferring your existing Pokemon is a great idea, I love using old friends in battle, but it shouldn't be a requirement to complete the PokeDex. As it is, you need 3 generations of games in order to get Almost all 649 Pokemon. You're right, a remake of a remake isn't really needed, but there needs to be some way to obtain all Pokemon within one Generation of games, otherwise, it will just become more of a mess.

[RaptorART 258]

not sure how I'm gonna afford that so far off into the future

but i will sell my xbox if i must to get a system and play it just for that game

new system looks amazing!

been playing since poke'mon Red

 

Hopefully the XL 3ds will come down in price by then

[Radiance64 7,053]

True, however, if the past is any indication of the future, there were events from Generation IV that never occurred for one reason or another. This holds true for Generation III as well.

 

I think what needs to happen is a way to get ALL Pokemon in ONE Generation. Transferring your existing Pokemon is a great idea, I love using old friends in battle, but it shouldn't be a requirement to complete the PokeDex. As it is, you need 3 generations of games in order to get Almost all 649 Pokemon. You're right, a remake of a remake isn't really needed, but there needs to be some way to obtain all Pokemon within one Generation of games, otherwise, it will just become more of a mess.

Mess? I think it's great that you can transfer Pokemon from game to game like you can, for example I have a Swampert and Skarmory from Gen 3 who are now in Gen 5. The decision to not allow 4th and 5th gen to trade with each other is a little baffling though.

[Tempest Chaser 45]

This comic is basically how it seems to be. I would love a full consol version of the game, that would would be amazing. I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Instead I expect this new Gen and a remake of a past Gen.

[SparklingTwilight 109]

Yeah, I'm buying a 3DS just for the game too! Super excited about it! Lol Froaker is the most ridiculous name I've ever heard... 

Sounds like Frogger

[Thundershock 310]

the new generation of pokemon looks cool, even though ive only seen 5 of the new pokemon. i already have a 3DS,so im just gonna buy it.

[kirbyboi 588]

I know, it's sooooo aweeesommme!!

 

I didn't buy the 3DS for the 3D, just for the games...but I'm glad I did! And this is coming worldwide too! So now Japan will have to wait patiently just like the rest of us! The starters look awesome as well...as a Pokemon fan, this pleases me. Very much.

 

 

 

Can't wait for the announcements of the other new Pokemon in this generation! Hopefully they'll be cool ones that I can add to my team! Squuueee, so excited!!! Maybe this game will use the feature of streetpass, too! This is the game we've all been waiting for! I heard the storyline has been made more cool and complex. Double squee!

 

This is why I'm proud to be a Pokemon fan! 

[DusK 1,264]

Asked why Pokemon hasn't ended up on consoles, Junichi Masuda, the guy behind the Pokemon series, said this:

 

I don’t think so. I think the Pokemon core series is always going to be with handheld hardware, in the future as well. I consider handheld hardware you can carry around with you as almost being equal to being with Pokemon, always. I think handheld really matches the idea of Pokemon that we have. Also, you can communicate and transfer data all the time, whenever you want with a handheld. That’s also a match with the Pokemon concept.

 

So yeah, just to put things in perspective.

[Kapi 215]

Mess? I think it's great that you can transfer Pokemon from game to game like you can, for example I have a Swampert and Skarmory from Gen 3 who are now in Gen 5. The decision to not allow 4th and 5th gen to trade with each other is a little baffling though.

I think its great too, like I said, its an awesome idea, but I don't think you should be required to transfer in order to complete the PokeDex. The whole idea behind the Pokemon series is to trade with others. Transferring defeats that purpose, since YOU'RE the one that owns both games and consoles, and it takes away from the charm of the series. It is awesome, don't get me wrong, but its used as a requirement, when that's not what Pokemon is all about.

 

When I say "Mess" I'm talking about everything that is required in order to transfer up to Gen V. You need a DS Lite or "Phat" DS (Transfer Gen III to Gen IV), along with RSE or FR/LG as well as D/P/Pt or HG/SS, and to transfer to B/W and B2/W2 you need another DS of any kind to do the transfer. The other reason I don't like transferring is because it makes the other games feel "old." I mean, they are, but permanently losing Pokemon on one card or Game Pak just makes it less enjoyable. I know you can reset and start fresh, but it feels like they make the older games obsolete when they do that, even though they are still enjoyable.

 

As for trading between IV and V, I certainly think it could've been possible. There is (as far as I know) no major changes to the Pokemon Data Structure in B/W. The only visible change seems to be the loss of Contest stats from D/P/Pt (Which don't show up in Hg/SS, but still exist). If any recalculations need to be done, I'm sure B/W could handle that during the transfer process, besides, do what the Time Capsule did (No Pokemon that didn't appear in older games, no moves that didn't exist) and you should be good.

 

So yeah, Tl;dr: I think Pal Park and Poke Transfer are great, but they shouldn't be a requirement like trading is. Trading with other people is fun, transferring to yourself isn't. It should still exist for people that want to play with older Pokemon, but it shouldn't be required to complete the Dex.

[Radiance64 7,053]

I think its great too, like I said, its an awesome idea, but I don't think you should be required to transfer in order to complete the PokeDex. The whole idea behind the Pokemon series is to trade with others. Transferring defeats that purpose, since YOU'RE the one that owns both games and consoles, and it takes away from the charm of the series. It is awesome, don't get me wrong, but its used as a requirement, when that's not what Pokemon is all about.

 

When I say "Mess" I'm talking about everything that is required in order to transfer up to Gen V. You need a DS Lite or "Phat" DS (Transfer Gen III to Gen IV), along with RSE or FR/LG as well as D/P/Pt or HG/SS, and to transfer to B/W and B2/W2 you need another DS of any kind to do the transfer. The other reason I don't like transferring is because it makes the other games feel "old." I mean, they are, but permanently losing Pokemon on one card or Game Pak just makes it less enjoyable. I know you can reset and start fresh, but it feels like they make the older games obsolete when they do that, even though they are still enjoyable.

 

As for trading between IV and V, I certainly think it could've been possible. There is (as far as I know) no major changes to the Pokemon Data Structure in B/W. The only visible change seems to be the loss of Contest stats from D/P/Pt (Which don't show up in Hg/SS, but still exist). If any recalculations need to be done, I'm sure B/W could handle that during the transfer process, besides, do what the Time Capsule did (No Pokemon that didn't appear in older games, no moves that didn't exist) and you should be good.

 

So yeah, Tl;dr: I think Pal Park and Poke Transfer are great, but they shouldn't be a requirement like trading is. Trading with other people is fun, transferring to yourself isn't. It should still exist for people that want to play with older Pokemon, but it shouldn't be required to complete the Dex.

It's mostly just required for starters and some exclusives really though, since they added past gen legendaries to Platinum/HGSS/B2W2, and a large majority of older Pokemon are usually possible to obtain in more recent games, but I see your point, it's certainly more fun to trade then it is to transfer. Hopefully X/Y will have plenty of past gen 'mons available!

[Balamb 29]

I might buy some plushies or figurines if I see any monsters I really like (the grass starter is cute), but the gameplay has been a little stale for me since Hoenn and I didn't buy HG/SS or B/W. Turn-based battle has only ever had so much appeal for me and there are monster battle/collecting games that are more exciting. The 3D is tempting, though.

 

Having played Pokemon for more than half my life, this excites me. Although G5 Pokemon were a bit unimaginative, I have really high hopes  for this to rekindle my love for Pokemon

 

Other than mentioned stuff, what sort of things do you think we'll be seeing this time round?

 

Also, while we're on a Pokemon thread...am I the only one who never has, or will, nickname their Pokemon?

This is especially annoying when you battle someone of faltering maturity, who has named their Flygon 'BumLord' or something equally inane XD

My friends and I used to give our Pokemon the worst and creepiest nicknames possible just to try to unsettle each other when we played. *cackle*

Edited January 16, 2013 by Balamb