gaming PC gaming or console gaming?

[HailthornX 47]

But could be remedied with third-party content to be the best version looking/running version of the game available.

 

 Explain how an objectively inferior version of a game can also be simultaneously subjectively superior.

Explain how an "inferior" version can rank higher than a "superior" version. Content does not equal better. Graphics do not equal better. If what you say is true, a PC version should ALWAYS rank better in areas of comparison otherwise it's not superior.

 

There is nothing factual in your statements, only opinions. I am simply saying that it is an opinion. And all along I said if you take out prettier graphical updates and mods, what makes them better? So again, from my standpoint, it's not objectively superior. It's an opinion.

[DusK 1,264]

Explain how an "inferior" version can rank higher than a "superior" version.

Because people can say whatever they want. It's how Halo 2 is considered one of the "greatest games of all time" and the "epitomy of competitive gaming" despite objective evidence to the contrary.

 

Metacritic is 100% subjective and doesn't mean crap.

Edited February 8, 2013 by DusK

[HailthornX 47]

One pile of sand plus one pile of sand is one pile of sand. -Protoss Archon.

 

 

 

I remember I used to get into an argument about this very point.  However there are a few points that I will state that aren't an opinion.

 

1.  How stable a game is written.  From a technological standpoint a PC has more compatibility issues but more horsepower to overcome limitations while console games have only one configuration.  One can argue that a console game is worse because it has to be ported to totally different architectures (like Sonic '06) whereas PCs have to deal with subtle differences between instruction sets and GPUs.  My point here is that console gaming is destroying the PC market (in addition to some iOS gaming)

 

2.  Console games that are ported to PCs are ports.  As of recently companies have been more and more lazy in terms of actually making a game a true PC title (I think F.E.A.R. 2 being the example I wish to use).  Factually speaking the PC version is only inferior because of its sloppy code 'and requring a controller' mindset.

 

3.  We're at the point to where only Nintendo has actual consoles.  While the Wii U, PS3 and Xbox 360 are computers at this point the Wii series is the only one that doesn't rely on any 'PC' components (the Xbox using DirectX whilst the PS3 has a GeForce).  The only difference is just the controller.  I've been able to use Gamepads on my desktops for years.

 

4.  While the majority of console vs. PC can be opinionated how tech saavy a user is can easily sway which side they want to go on.  If they're saavy but don't want to deal with computer related issues (turn on the Xbox and it works) then they'll prefer consoles while enthusiasts like myself can live and breathe it all year long.

That is fine. But at the end of the day, it's still an opinion. That is all I have been trying to say. Graphically, it may be superior. But graphics (in my opinion) don't determine whether a game is overall superior.

[DusK 1,264]

That is fine. But at the end of the day, it's still an opinion.

No, it's not, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective. One game being better than the other in ways that can be objectively measured make it not an opinion, but a matter of fact.

 

Dunno how you're not getting this yet.

Edited February 8, 2013 by DusK

[HailthornX 47]

Because people can say whatever they want. It's how Halo 2 is considered one of the "greatest games of all time" and the "epitomy of competitive gaming" despite objective evidence to the contrary.

 

Metacritic is 100% subjective and doesn't mean crap.

So why is your opinion any better than theirs?

 

(And to fill the minimum: We have cupcakes. Lots and lots of deliciously fabulous cupcakes.)

 

No, it's not, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective. One game being better than the other in ways that can be objectively measured make it not an opinion, but a matter of fact.

 

Dunno how you're not getting this yet.

Sales. Ratings. These are measurements. And when a console version bests a PC version, it proves that it is not objective. It is an opinion. Why would so many people flock to an inferior version? Maybe it's because THEY perceive it to be better. And you still haven't formed a basis for how a PC version is objectively better. As I have said, additional content doesn't make a game better (especially content released by third parties) and nor does graphics.

 

I'm not sure how to say this in any other way.

[weegeez 150]

Im mixed, but I will say this, PC is best for Shooters, playing a shooter on console is just painful and aggravating. Platformers, fighter need controller though. Anything else...doesn;t matter too much...Actually since there are PC controllers....yeah PC wins. In fact if you have a good PC and a nintendo console, you get basically everything you need except newer halo games since PS3 and XBox have little credibility as original systems, anything you get on those, PC has and more, not the case for nintendo, Nintendo has huge  exclusive libraries in comparison to competition, soooo yeah

[Prismatic 49]

That is fine. But at the end of the day, it's still an opinion. That is all I have been trying to say. Graphically, it may be superior. But graphics (in my opinion) don't determine whether a game is overall superior.

 

Which is why I never said anything about graphics.  If I put in a disc into the Dreamcast and it doesn't boot then it's a bad game.

[DusK 1,264]

So why is your opinion any better than theirs?

Once again, I'm not holding an opinion. I'm stating facts. An opinion and a matter of fact are two different things. And in a matter of fact, it's not about whose statement is "better", it's about whose statement is correct.

 

I'll give an example. The statement "Far Cry 3 is a better game on the PS3 than the PC", for example, is incorrect. It's incorrect not because someone simply says so, but rather because it can be objectively proven to be incorrect. An argument about every single aspect of the game can easuily be refuted; Saying "the graphics are better on the PS3" is flat-out false, saying "I prefer the controller more" is invalid because a controller can be used with the game, and saying "I wanna kick my feet back and play on my TV" is equally as invalid because PC games can be played on a TV with the correct hardware.

[HailthornX 47]

Once again, I'm not holding an opinion. I'm stating facts. An opinion and a matter of fact are two different things. And in a matter of fact, it's not about whose statement is "better", it's about whose statement is correct.

 

I'll give an example. The statement "Far Cry 3 is a better game on the PS3 than the PC", for example, is incorrect. It's incorrect not because someone simply says so, but rather because it can be objectively proven to be incorrect. An argument about every single aspect of the game can easuily be refuted; Saying "the graphics are better on the PS3" is flat-out false, saying "I prefer the controller more" is invalid because a controller can be used with the game, and saying "I wanna kick my feet back and play on my TV" is equally as invalid because PC games can be played on a TV with the correct hardware.

How does that make anything you've said a fact? Again, if it truly is the superior version, it should rank better in at least terms of rating.  And it's funny that you should mention Far Cry 3. Both console versions hold a higher rating. If the PC version is objectively superior, why is this? Maybe because the people overall have perceived the console versions to be better? Which then makes this an opinion.

 

Try again.

[Taco Horse 116]

I know I'm treading into flame war territory but I wanna know your opinion. Do you prefer PC or console gaming? I prefer console gaming for multiple reasons.

 

One reason is you don't have to spend a lot of money for a PC.

Two: A controller is far better than a mouse and keyboard regardless of the game.

Three: For a PC, you need to worry about the specs of your PC. You need to have so and so OS, need X amount of memory, this specific program and it just goes on.

Four: You need to install the game, which, depending on your PC, can take a while. Meanwhile, on a console, you put the game in and play it.

Five: Viruses. Nuff said

Six: Playing on a tiny screen on a tiny desk is uncomfortable.

 

Now, you could hook the pc up to a tv and a controller to the pc. But, when doing that, you're essentially playing a fucking console. Also, consoles get more and usually better games. When the PC gets it, it's either too late or a bad port.

 

The only advantage a PC has is games can run at a higher resolution. But honestly, who cares about the resolution?

 

Yes. Dance my pretties. Rustling jimmies is really fun if you rustle pc gamers. Also, yeah I'm joking. Though I prefer console gaming.

 

I used to think that console where better than PC's as far as gaming, but then I got the tower I have now and I have to say that I jumped ships quickly after.  You can build a PC for the same price of a new console on it's release day and have it last you twice to three times as long as far as console cycles.  Installing the game actually does wonders for running the game smoother, hell even the 360 and PS3 implemented this feature onto their consoles one the game is installed you don't really need the disc anymore and don't have to worry about scratching it and having to buy the software all over again.  As far as viruses unless you are a complete and total idiot and do not have any anti-virus or not pay attention to what you click on you shouldn't worry.  Another plus to PC gaming is that their are services like Steam, Amazon, Gamestop, and Origin it's more convenient to buy PC game, that and you don't have to pay for online play, so long as it's not a MMO, other than you normally pay for internet.

[DusK 1,264]

How does that make anything you've said a fact?

"How does objectively explaining how just about every aspect of a game is better on the PC than a console mean its objectively better?"

 

Seriously?

Again, if it truly is the superior version, it should rank better in at least terms of rating. And it's funny that you should mention Far Cry 3. Both console versions hold a higher rating. If the PC version is objectively superior, why is this? Maybe because the people overall have perceived the console versions to be better? Which then makes this an opinion.

Would you please stop treating game reviews as some sort of basis for objectivity? Because once again, they really aren't. A game reviewer saying Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing is the best game ever won't make it true and, like all reviews, should be taken with a grain of salt. Stop considering misinformed quickly-written viewpoints as a viable substitute for verifiable facts.

Try again.

Edited February 8, 2013 by DusK

[Silver Boulder 123]

I'd say both are perfectly fine, that's just me xD both have their advantages and disadvantages. Notably that PC has mods for various games so there's that

[Admiral Colt 61]

Honestly, if you took mods away from PC, it would have nothing to offer that compares to Console gaming.

 

1. I care not for graphics, or resolution, the keyboard and mouse combo is uncomfortable for me. (I know you can use controllers on PC, but still.)

 

2. Some PC games come out later than they do on the Console.

 

3. You don't have to download games to your console.

 

4. It's a pain to buy such an expensive computer that can support the damn games.

 

5. A lot of people I know have 2 separate computers for gaming and work, so you can't use that argument against it.

 

I will however admit that the PC has more MMOs, so they have that.

[HailthornX 47]

"How does objectively explaining how just about every aspect of a game is better on the PC than a console mean its objectively better?"

 

Seriously?Would you please stop treating game reviews as some sort of basis for objectivity? Because once again, they really aren't. A game reviewer saying Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing is the best game ever won't make it true and, like all reviews, should be taken with a grain of salt. Stop considering misinformed quickly-written viewpoints as a viable substitute for verifiable facts.

I've provided evidence. All you have said is "PC games are factually superior to console versions." But you haven't explained how. Also Metacritic scores are a culmination of many reviews. 

 

I have said these are opinions and little else. So back up your claims for once. Anyway, have fun with your opinions.

[DusK 1,264]

I've provided evidence.

The only thing you provided evidence for is that people can say whatever they hell they want regardless of what is or isn't actually true. Nothing more.

 

All you have said is "PC games are factually superior to console versions." But you haven't explained how.

The fuck? I gave an example. You commented on my example. How, all of a sudden, did I not give that example?

 

Would you prefer a different example? Name a game. I'll explain how the PC version of it is better than the console version, purely in objective measurements.

Edited February 8, 2013 by DusK

[Sard Shift 21]

Most graphics cards in the last 15 years have the option to connect to a television screen. My current card has an HDMI Out which is the same kind used by the Xbox 360.

I know that, but the idea of a controller and a couch is just too comforting. Even if I were to hook up my pc to the tv and use a controller, it still somehow wouldn't be the same.

[MadDoggyca 710]

just to throw one out there,
Dose your console support Wide Screen support. if some one blurts out 1920x1080 on a 50" tv thats not wide screen suppot sorry.
 

when I mean wide screen, I mean WIDE SCREEN

 

 

 

 

there's nothing like 3-6 monitor support for thoses games were u just don't want to change you POV just to see something in the game... I know I couldn't live with out my 3 monitors my self... looking to extend it to 5 soon

 

BTW that is one reason why PC games are more suppior to Console version.. The main rason still has to be AA/AF/TXAA supprt.. Consoles really need some form of antialising before any one can take them serious, I really can't stand looking at conoles games due to massive jagged lines that show on tvs higher then 32" in size

 

As some one else said to most Xbox games are in fact 1280x600 upscaled to 1280x720 which makes the game by default pixled and cases massiive jagged lines, PC version do not suffer from a FIX resoultion and then having to be up scaled

 

Another huge benifit over PC version compaired to Console version is, If the game is released with techical Bugs (dead island any one?) the pc user can manual fix bugs by manual editing options.cfg, video.scr, setup.txt and so on. Were able to manual fix and inprove game config files with out even having to run the game. (look at you dead island again)

 

Were even able to do on the fly ajustments in pc titles, if something gose horible wrong we can hex edit memory values and attempt a fix with out even having to restart the game. Mind you it takes a skill person that know hows to read hex (memory) values to acheve this.. Its all about freedom on the PC instead of being locked down by a console.

 

 

heres a example on how to edit Dead island Options that are not avlible in the (in game options on pc) and are not avlible in console version

 

!Resolution(i,i)
!WindowOffset(i,i)
!Monitor(i)            // -1 primary monitor
!BPP(i)
!FSAA(i)               // Full Screen AntiAliasing, 0 - none, higher is better
!TexBPP(i)
!TextureQuality(s)     // VeryLow, Low, High
!Filtering(s)          // Bilinear, Trilinear, Anisotropic, AnisotropicTrilinear
!GammaFloat(f)
!MaxRefresh(i)
!Shadows(s)            // Low, High
!ShadowMapSize(i)
!SpotShadowMapSize(i)
!Lightmaps()
!Fullscreen()
!VSync()               // enable vertical sync
!MaterialQuality(i)    // lower is better
!WaterQuality(i)       // lower is better
!GrassQuality(i)       // lower is better
!FXQuality(i)          // higher is better
!FXFadeLevel(i)        // 0-4 (lower is better)
!EnvQuality(s)         // FullDynamic, RareDynamic, Static
!ShaderPath(i)         // 0 - 1.1, 1 - 1.4, 2 - 2.0, 3 - 3.0, 4 - x360, 5 - 4.0, 6 - ps3
!PostProcess(s)        // Simple, Normal
!DisplayDeviceType(i,f,f,f,f)  //device type (LCD TV etc.): 0 - default
!Curves(s)             // curves texure

 

 

 

Resolution(1680,1050)
Monitor(1)
Fullscreen()
BPP(24)
FSAA(8)
TexBPP(32)
TextureQuality("High")"
Filtering("AnisotropicTrilinear)
Shadows("High")
ShadowMapSize(2048)  NOTE : in game option support only 1048, manual editing support 4096
SpotShadowMapSize(2048) Note : in game options support only 512, manual editing supports 4096
Lightmaps()
GammaFloat(1.00)
MaxRefresh(60)
MaterialQuality(0)
FXQuality(8)
FXFadeLevel(2)
WaterQuality(0)
GrassQuality(0)
EnvQuality("FullDynamic")
ShaderPath(5)
DisplayDeviceType(0,0.000000,1.000000,1.000000,1.000000)

 

as you can see I can even set the shadder path (Direct X version) settings in the pc verison to use Xbox (DX9.x) or PS3 (Open GL) setting instead of useing DX9.c/10/11 (assuming you want to set the game to sh!tty console rendering

 

so there you have it, I comparied Graphics, hardware, and technical points on why pc software is suppor to console software. (DEAD ISLAND is only one of many games I could have used to compaire)
 

Sorry for the dubble post but I wanted to agrure with my self

 

the flip side coudl be comming

 

OUYA and the Steam Box could turn the tie on Console Vs PC agruemnt.

They are both considered consoles, but here's  the twist

 

OUYA is powered by Andriod 4.x and will run under ARM /w Nvidia

SteamBox will be a x64 Cpu with ether ATi/Nivida runing Windows Titles,

 

both consoles are based on Computer Operating systems. and there fore will alowe a wider ranger of hardware, software, controler /w K&M and graphic, support, this could push more tradinal pc game to a  more to conoles way with out losing the freedom pc gamers are a custom too.

 

Only time will tell if ether OUYA or the Steam Box is worthy buy for a pc gamer.

 

Edited February 8, 2013 by MadDoggyca

[DusK 1,264]

I know that, but the idea of a controller and a couch is just too comforting.

Like the HDMI port on most video cards, pretty much all PCs have a USB port, and both Windows Vista and Windows 7 have device drivers for the Xbox 360 controller installed with the OS. If you have XP, the drivers can be downloaded and installed from Microsoft's website. Nowadays, most games released for the PC have full functionality for this controller.

 

The only way it wouldn't be the same would depend on your computer. If it sucked, it would be a worse experience than the console. If it was better, you would be playing with jaw-dropping detail and smoothness that consoles just aren't capable of.

 

On that note, Sonic Generations looks gorgeous cranked in 1080p in 3D on a 47" TV. Just throwin' that out there, because that's something you can't experience on a console.

[DiscordAnarchy 770]

Again, in the end of every arguement, it boils down to not how sexy a game looks, not how impressive the hardware, the wide-screen, the phyiscs none of this matters.

 

What matters is simply: Is the Game Fun.

 

Period.

 

It isn't and should never be about hardware of if one is less jaggy. A good game is a good game regardless of platform. People need to stop getting so emotionally invested in their platform and just agree that both have great games and should both be enjoyed. Period.

[Somerled FireMane 1]

PC, how-ever I think I am finally growing out of video games.. They just don't do the same thing for me that they used to a few years ago. I still play the ocaissional ToR or GW2 but other than that no more computer games...

[Prismatic 49]

There's a difference between widescreen and panoramic display.  Needless to say I still game at 240p on PC half the time since most games I have are capped at that.

 

 

 

PC,
how-ever I think I am finally growing out of video games.. They just
don't do the same thing for me that they used to a few years ago. I
still play the ocaissional ToR or GW2 but other than that no more
computer games..

 

PC Gaming has gone downhill since 2004 imo.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Prismatic

[MadDoggyca 710]

There's a difference between widescreen and panoramic display.  Needless to say I still game at 240p on PC half the time since most games I have are capped at that.

 

 

 

 

PC Gaming has gone downhill since 2004 imo.

 

you must have some reallly old games to be capped at 240p 320×240.. hell ipods have higher res (480 × 320).

 

I hate to ask why you run PC games at 240p (320x240)? that like old dos days when 360p 480x360 was the norm

Edited February 8, 2013 by MadDoggyca

[Prismatic 49]

you must have some reallly old games to be capped at 240p 320×240.. hell ipods have higher res (480 × 320).

 

I hate to ask why you run PC games at 240p (320x240)? that like old dos days when 360p 480x360 was the norm

 

A majority of DOS games only ran at resolutions such as 320 X 200.  I still have a DOS/Win98 ThinkPad for gaming which I regularly use.

[HailthornX 47]

The only thing you provided evidence for is that people can say whatever they hell they want regardless of what is or isn't actually true. Nothing more.

 

The fuck? I gave an example. You commented on my example. How, all of a sudden, did I not give that example?

 

Would you prefer a different example? Name a game. I'll explain how the PC version of it is better than the console version, purely in objective measurements.

Alright, tell me what your "objective" measurements are. As I've already said. Graphics do not make a better game. Nor do Mods. Oh wait, one more thing, did you know you can mod console games as well? I can't believe I didn't present this yesterday. I actually have modded versions of Mario Kart and New Super Mario Bros.

 

And graphics do not make a game better.

 

So if you take out mods and graphics, how is one version of a game objectively better?

[Crooked Pendulum 6]

I've been playing consoles for a good part of my life, mostly because i haven't really had a pc to play on but, i got my first laptop a couple of days ago and I'm able to game fairly easy on it, so now im more sided on pc know.