People are hating on the brony documentary because it's biased. What's the deal?

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

I have been reading comments on youtube and other various sites. I see many people calling the documentary unfair because it doesn't paint bronies in a negative light. I even read a comment where this guy called the film pure autism. I think the film was good. Some things could have been better though. Like I thought they were at the convention a bit to long. It would have been nice to see pony merchandise displayed since you can't find a variety of pony merch in US retail stores or hell even get pony merch for the people in Europe who have to import it. But why are people hating on the documentary. People say if it's bias then it isn't worth watching

[Zygen 6,066]

Haters are like I've said before just going to do any and everything to go and get attention and hate on videos because they know they'll get attention.

 

Just ignore them . Bothering with it is totally pointless.

 

If you like it then who cares what they think.

[Shanks 10,816]

"rawr those freaks that like cartoon ponies are being portrayed like normal people, hater smash". Seriously since when has a hater ever really needed a reason to hate? They are like changelings with attention the more you give them the more crap they will spew.

Edited February 3, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[PonyEcho 1,610]

I haven't seen it yet but I do fear that the doc would be nothing but a brony circle jerk/ Brony promotional vid...... when documentary should display the truth and let the viewer decide but i haven't seen it yet and don't rely plan on it anytime soon. 

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

While the documentary, for obvious reasons, emphasizes the positive side of the fandom, it does not ignore the side that many see as less acceptable.  That one simple line in the third segment of the animation was an admission that such a side exists.

 

Also, this is Youtube that we're talking about.  I wouldn't consider the majority of the Youtube community to be renowned film critics.  You can go to videos of cute, fuzzy kittens and find flame wars on that site.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

People really need to chill out. The film isnt perfect. But its at least a professional representation of the brony fandom

[Aeon Of Dreams 115]

Well there are already purely negative depictions of Bronies out there, though a curious thing to consider is whether or not they would have complained if it was all negative.

 

There is also that, if I remember right, the documentary's purpose was to clear the Bronies of the negative stereotypes that a non-brony would usually give to them, and those that were already given to them by the media and other places. Now I haven't seen the documentary yet, but from what I am hearing it seems to have succeeded at that.

Edited February 4, 2013 by The Oneiromancer

[Yes-Man 597]

Wow. I was just watching the trailer for it right now. Small world...Anywho, so what? If it showed nothing but negative things, they wouldn't be complaining. And honestly, the hate on the comments is mainly, "Grahgrahgraj, they r makin bronies seem good and *normal* so it's bad."

[Scootalove 10,689]

I think we all know that when haters always hate, they should know that this Documentary expressed who we are in a way. It probably showed that we are a great fandom, that people should stop hating on us.

[DeiStar 248]

What exactly did this accomplish? To show the world how great the fandom
is? How special the fandom is? To try and justify, in your minds, that
watching a children’s television show makes you some kind of hero?

 

Bronyism is not a movement. This is an insult to those who truly do
struggle to change things in the world. A pony fan will not be paid less
in the workplace because of liking a children’s cartoon show. A pony
fan will not be prevented from marrying because they enjoy a children’s
cartoon show. A pony fan will never see war, or create peace, by liking a
children’s cartoon show. Lauren Faust may have pushed feminism by
creating a children’s show for girls that isn’t terrible, but fans of
the show have no right in sharing that claim. Faust and her colleagues
put their livelihoods and their reputations on the line by breaking away
from the norm in their industry. Their success is theirs alone, paid
for in blood, sweat and tears. Pony fans have paid nothing of the sort.
They simply watch television.

Pony fans are not special. There are fandoms for nearly everything
that exists on the Internet: Homestuck, furries, Doctor Who. These
fandoms also have artists, musicians, newscasters and just plain fans
that create and support official and unofficial content of what they are
fans of. They have charities and fundraisers. They have their drama and
pornography. Some even have conventions, containing many people with
stories of good, evil, and everything in between.

A pony fan is simply someone who exists within the My Little Pony
fandom. They may watch the show, they may not. They might be good
people, or bad people. But liking a children’s television show is not
what defines a person as good or bad. Their actions do. To try and tell
others that this isn’t the case, to try and construe a group of people
too large and diverse to feasibly place under one banner as a single
entity? All for the sole purpose of making themselves feel better about
doing something they enjoy?

 

Is this really the community you want to show people?

I hope these editorials will give those of you who backed this
documentary, and those who helped work on and create it, something to
think about. You cannot erase the past, but you can question yourself
and learn these lessons for the future. Try to educate yourself, in
knowing when you are being persuaded into wanting something, in knowing
what the possible consequences of such projects would entail. Most of
all, I hope this installs a bit of humility for everyone who reads this.

My advice though? Next time you have money burning a hole in your
wallet and you’re looking for self-gratification, buy an adult toy. They
are cheaper, will last you longer, and the public won’t have to see you
do it.

 

You can read more at

 

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-the-bronies-documentary-part-1-the-importance-of-objectivity/

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-bronies-the-documentary-part-2-accountability-and-retrospective/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDerpyhoovescomBlog+%28The+DerpyHooves.Com+Blog%29

[Yes-Man 597]

What exactly did this accomplish? To show the world how great the fandom

is? How special the fandom is? To try and justify, in your minds, that

watching a children’s television show makes you some kind of hero?

 

Bronyism is not a movement. This is an insult to those who truly do

struggle to change things in the world. A pony fan will not be paid less

in the workplace because of liking a children’s cartoon show. A pony

fan will not be prevented from marrying because they enjoy a children’s

cartoon show. A pony fan will never see war, or create peace, by liking a

children’s cartoon show. Lauren Faust may have pushed feminism by

creating a children’s show for girls that isn’t terrible, but fans of

the show have no right in sharing that claim. Faust and her colleagues

put their livelihoods and their reputations on the line by breaking away

from the norm in their industry. Their success is theirs alone, paid

for in blood, sweat and tears. Pony fans have paid nothing of the sort.

They simply watch television.

 

Pony fans are not special. There are fandoms for nearly everything

that exists on the Internet: Homestuck, furries, Doctor Who. These

fandoms also have artists, musicians, newscasters and just plain fans

that create and support official and unofficial content of what they are

fans of. They have charities and fundraisers. They have their drama and

pornography. Some even have conventions, containing many people with

stories of good, evil, and everything in between.

 

A pony fan is simply someone who exists within the My Little Pony

fandom. They may watch the show, they may not. They might be good

people, or bad people. But liking a children’s television show is not

what defines a person as good or bad. Their actions do. To try and tell

others that this isn’t the case, to try and construe a group of people

too large and diverse to feasibly place under one banner as a single

entity? All for the sole purpose of making themselves feel better about

doing something they enjoy?

 

Is this really the community you want to show people?

 

I hope these editorials will give those of you who backed this

documentary, and those who helped work on and create it, something to

think about. You cannot erase the past, but you can question yourself

and learn these lessons for the future. Try to educate yourself, in

knowing when you are being persuaded into wanting something, in knowing

what the possible consequences of such projects would entail. Most of

all, I hope this installs a bit of humility for everyone who reads this.

 

My advice though? Next time you have money burning a hole in your

wallet and you’re looking for self-gratification, buy an adult toy. They

are cheaper, will last you longer, and the public won’t have to see you

do it.

 

You can read more at

 

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-the-bronies-documentary-part-1-the-importance-of-objectivity/

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-bronies-the-documentary-part-2-accountability-and-retrospective/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDerpyhoovescomBlog+%28The+DerpyHooves.Com+Blog%29

No one has ever made me hate them as fast as you did just now.

But it all seriousness though,

Not sure if trolling

Or serious.

Yeah.....

Well, I'm prepared to fight a flame war for this.

Edited February 4, 2013 by The Dovahkiin

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Most serious anti-bronies are morons that won't listen to reason anyway, it's best to just ignore them and let them "enjoy" their own sad existence where trying to make someone else feel bad is the only way they can feel joy. 

[Castoro Chiaro 181]

Dude. People are allowed to have negative opinions. It's not a sign of a lack of intelligence, it just means they have a different perspective. The problem with those comments isn't that they're saying the documentary was bad, it's that they're using slurs and ad hominems to make their point, and making it a personal attack rather than a commentary on a body of work. That's not useful in any way to a discussion.

 

In my opinion, the documentary was harmless. But it didn't really accomplish anything, either. And it kind of just highlighted the issues I have with the fandom: the emphasis on appealing to white, heterosexual males (seriously the part where the psychiatrist said that made me cringe) and a subtle air of homophobia. Almost every one of those boys cringed at the idea of being called "gay" and it was never refuted that there's no problem with that.Heck, there's even some gay men in this fandom!

 

Some parts of the Lets Meet the Bronies song were...kinda mean-spirited (making fun of the previous gens and basically making it look like they contributed nothing useful, and the "well when girls like ponies it's to be expected!" bit like girls are trying to be special snowflakes by just asking to be recognized as valid members of the community. There were barely any women in the documentary at all, actually). Wasn't a big fan of the mention of clopping either, it just felt out of place.

 

But there was some good stuff, too. I liked the footage of the Cons, a lot actually. I wish the whole documentary JUST centered around the conventions, as those parts were handled the best and showed off the most about the fandom itself (the musical talent, the cosplays, the amount of fun everyone had). John DeLancie is such a charming man, oh my gosh. So much charisma and so well-spoken and ahh. It was cool to see him speak. Mrs. Faust seems like a pretty awesome lady too, I liked her segments as well.

 

And while some parts kinda miffed me, I liked the animation as a whole. It was fun.

 

What exactly did this accomplish? To show the world how great the fandom
is? How special the fandom is? To try and justify, in your minds, that
watching a children’s television show makes you some kind of hero?

 

Bronyism is not a movement. This is an insult to those who truly do
struggle to change things in the world. A pony fan will not be paid less
in the workplace because of liking a children’s cartoon show. A pony
fan will not be prevented from marrying because they enjoy a children’s
cartoon show. A pony fan will never see war, or create peace, by liking a
children’s cartoon show. Lauren Faust may have pushed feminism by
creating a children’s show for girls that isn’t terrible, but fans of
the show have no right in sharing that claim. Faust and her colleagues
put their livelihoods and their reputations on the line by breaking away
from the norm in their industry. Their success is theirs alone, paid
for in blood, sweat and tears. Pony fans have paid nothing of the sort.
They simply watch television.

Pony fans are not special. There are fandoms for nearly everything
that exists on the Internet: Homestuck, furries, Doctor Who. These
fandoms also have artists, musicians, newscasters and just plain fans
that create and support official and unofficial content of what they are
fans of. They have charities and fundraisers. They have their drama and
pornography. Some even have conventions, containing many people with
stories of good, evil, and everything in between.

A pony fan is simply someone who exists within the My Little Pony
fandom. They may watch the show, they may not. They might be good
people, or bad people. But liking a children’s television show is not
what defines a person as good or bad. Their actions do. To try and tell
others that this isn’t the case, to try and construe a group of people
too large and diverse to feasibly place under one banner as a single
entity? All for the sole purpose of making themselves feel better about
doing something they enjoy?

 

Is this really the community you want to show people?

I hope these editorials will give those of you who backed this
documentary, and those who helped work on and create it, something to
think about. You cannot erase the past, but you can question yourself
and learn these lessons for the future. Try to educate yourself, in
knowing when you are being persuaded into wanting something, in knowing
what the possible consequences of such projects would entail. Most of
all, I hope this installs a bit of humility for everyone who reads this.

My advice though? Next time you have money burning a hole in your
wallet and you’re looking for self-gratification, buy an adult toy. They
are cheaper, will last you longer, and the public won’t have to see you
do it.

 

You can read more at

 

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-the-bronies-documentary-part-1-the-importance-of-objectivity/

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-bronies-the-documentary-part-2-accountability-and-retrospective/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDerpyhoovescomBlog+%28The+DerpyHooves.Com+Blog%29

 

While my opinion is not as severe, I agree with a lot of the points you made. The Brony fandom isn't a social movement. It might be a SYMPTOM of a cultural shift...but I feel like it's not as great as a lot of Bronies might have you believe. Sexism and homophobia are, unfortunately, a very strong presence in-fando, and I've found it's very hard to be part of the group when you don't adhere to the status quo. Not talking about this forum, you've all been lovely for the most part, but I've seen some really really awful stuff other places.

Edited February 4, 2013 by Castoro Chiaro

[Betez 1,734]

They're just mad because it isn't biased towards them. they're just butthurt, as usual. More people like it then hate it. It is a pretty good movie.

[Antismurf9001 1,271]

@@DeiStar, I'm confused.  What was your purpose in copy/pasting from this blog article?  Do you agree with these opinions?  Are you trying to show that there are actual bronies who share this opinion of the documentary being biased?  Are you the person who wrote this article and wish to spread your opinion in a thread that seems relevant?  An explanation of your motives would be appreciated.

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

To be honest, given all the negative PR that there is being generated about us on a daily basis, I think we deserve to defend ourselves every now and then, and I think the documentary did a pretty decent job. Who cares if it's biased in our favor? There's just as much out there that's biased against us.

 

Kinda evens out the playing field at the end of the day, in my opinion. Let's not bite the hand that feeds.

 

And I think we do deserve to have a little pride in our community. Have you seen some of the charity projects this community has created?

 

http://broniesforgood.org/

 

On another note, protip: As soon as someone uses the word "autism" in anything other than the scientific sense, you should pretty much just walk away from the situation right then and there.

Edited February 4, 2013 by AtomicBassCannon

[DeiStar 248]

@@DeiStar, I'm confused.  What was your purpose in copy/pasting from this blog article?  Do you agree with these opinions?  Are you trying to show that there are actual bronies who share this opinion of the documentary being biased?  Are you the person who wrote this article and wish to spread your opinion in a thread that seems relevant?  An explanation of your motives would be appreciated.

 

Yes, I agree with most of the article, and pretty much sums up my opinion about bronydoc.

 

Shame the whole thing was too 'strong' for this site.

Edited February 4, 2013 by DeiStar

[Harmonic Revelations 8,835]

It doesn't paint bronies in a negative light, and that's bad? Haters gonna hate, I guess. Why would it display us negatively when we're not negative?

[Modphase 1,271]

What exactly did this accomplish? To show the world how great the fandom

is? How special the fandom is? To try and justify, in your minds, that

watching a children’s television show makes you some kind of hero?

 

Bronyism is not a movement. This is an insult to those who truly do

struggle to change things in the world. A pony fan will not be paid less

in the workplace because of liking a children’s cartoon show. A pony

fan will not be prevented from marrying because they enjoy a children’s

cartoon show. A pony fan will never see war, or create peace, by liking a

children’s cartoon show. Lauren Faust may have pushed feminism by

creating a children’s show for girls that isn’t terrible, but fans of

the show have no right in sharing that claim. Faust and her colleagues

put their livelihoods and their reputations on the line by breaking away

from the norm in their industry. Their success is theirs alone, paid

for in blood, sweat and tears. Pony fans have paid nothing of the sort.

They simply watch television.

Pony fans are not special. There are fandoms for nearly everything

that exists on the Internet: Homestuck, furries, Doctor Who. These

fandoms also have artists, musicians, newscasters and just plain fans

that create and support official and unofficial content of what they are

fans of. They have charities and fundraisers. They have their drama and

pornography. Some even have conventions, containing many people with

stories of good, evil, and everything in between.

A pony fan is simply someone who exists within the My Little Pony

fandom. They may watch the show, they may not. They might be good

people, or bad people. But liking a children’s television show is not

what defines a person as good or bad. Their actions do. To try and tell

others that this isn’t the case, to try and construe a group of people

too large and diverse to feasibly place under one banner as a single

entity? All for the sole purpose of making themselves feel better about

doing something they enjoy?

 

Is this really the community you want to show people?

I hope these editorials will give those of you who backed this

documentary, and those who helped work on and create it, something to

think about. You cannot erase the past, but you can question yourself

and learn these lessons for the future. Try to educate yourself, in

knowing when you are being persuaded into wanting something, in knowing

what the possible consequences of such projects would entail. Most of

all, I hope this installs a bit of humility for everyone who reads this.

My advice though? Next time you have money burning a hole in your

wallet and you’re looking for self-gratification, buy an adult toy. They

are cheaper, will last you longer, and the public won’t have to see you

do it.

 

You can read more at

 

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-the-bronies-documentary-part-1-the-importance-of-objectivity/

http://www.derpyhoovesnews.com/editorial-bronies-the-documentary-part-2-accountability-and-retrospective/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDerpyhoovescomBlog+%28The+DerpyHooves.Com+Blog%29

I actually agree with the person that made this. Although I love the fandom, I feel too many people are treating it as a really important thing. It is good that some people think with a more intellectual light, and not with pride.

[Shanks 10,816]

What exactly did this accomplish? To show the world how great the fandom

is? How special the fandom is? To try and justify, in your minds, that

watching a children’s television show makes you some kind of hero?

Okay so there are a couple of things in the documentary I didn't agree with either mainly the joke about clopping which while it was slightly amusing seemed out of place and really not a good idea to mention in a documentary that is supposed to set the record straight. And the dismissive tone toward previous generations, okay so G2 and G3 were meh at best but G1 was actually not that bad and even if it wasn't without it we would have no G4.

 

But I really don't think the intent was to paint the fandom as the second coming of Christ it was mainly to serve as an explanation of exactly why so many teenagers and adults especially men happen to like a show about cartoon ponies. I am going to admit that when this friend that introduced me to the show first told me about it while I wasn't a full blown hater I was surprised and more than a little confused. And this is not by a longshot the only fandom that has a documentary, it is not the first and will not be the last. Some fandoms like the Star Wars fandom for example have multiple documentaries but I am yet to see any sort of accusation of those fans trying to paint themselves as better than everyone else.

 

And yeah being a brony in and of itself is not a movement but because it takes so many rules regarding gender and flips them on their head there are some fairly significant social implications of this kind of fandom that cannot be ignored.

Edited February 4, 2013 by EarthbendingProdigy

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

O

And yeah being a brony in and of itself is not a movement but because it takes so many rules regarding gender and flips them on their head there are some fairly significant social implications of this kind of fandom that cannot be ignored.

 

Exactly my point of view, while some people may blow it out of proportion a little, this is a significant thing, and you can't ignore all the people the show has helped.  

 

I think the show is more a catalyst that's causing to people the break out of their shells, and start thinking about if the way the world treats people for being different is really right.  

Edited February 4, 2013 by Shoboni

[~Master~ Button Mash 2,307]

Exactly my point of view, while some people may blow it out of proportion a little, this is a significant thing, and you can't ignore all the people the show has helped.  

 

I think the show is more a catalyst that's causing to people the break out of their shells, and start thinking about if the way the world treats people for being different is really right.  

That's pretty much what I think. In many ways the fandom has become it's own thing, bigger than the show that started it. That's why I like to call us the brony "community" just as much as I call us a "fandom" (in fact, I prefer the term "community"). The show started something that is bigger than My Little Pony, and the community does a lot of good (again, check out Bronies For Good) that extends beyond bronies.

 

I think the community has a legitimate desire to try to make the world a better place, and we just do it through the scope of what brought us together in the first place, ponies!

Edited February 4, 2013 by AtomicBassCannon

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

That's pretty much what I think. In many ways the fandom has become it's own thing, bigger than the show that started it. That's why I like to call us the brony "community" just as much as I call us a "fandom" (in fact, I prefer the term "community"). The show started something that is bigger than My Little Pony, and the community does a lot of good (again, check out Bronies For Good) that extends beyond bronies.

 

I think the community has a legitimate desire to try to make the world a better place, and we just do it through the scope of what brought us together in the first place, ponies!

I don't mind us being referred to as the brony community. I just hope in the future we can abandon this double standard we have in society where men can't associate themselves with femininity. I used to hate the show but when I gave ti a chance i started to love it. This doc was perfect but it was good for the community in terms of making us quasi mainstream. People are also beginning to lighten up to the brony thing. My dad has gotten over it, my mom not so much

[Aeon Of Dreams 115]

Well I would consider the Brony Community challenging gender roles and double standards as something more of an unintentional byproduct of liking the show, and not the cause, as a vast majority of us love the show, because...well we love the show. However there is no mistaking that, if attacked for liking the show, then we can appear as though we are in a movement, again in the sense that it goes against gender norms and in that us appearing as a movement in this case is most likely unintentional. It should be noted that the Brony community would probably be useful as an inspiration to join such movements and an example to be used to make a point about gender double standards. But generally speaking I would not call us a movement.

 

@DeiStar

I would like to point out that the existence of, the viewpoint of, or the creation of a "Brony Movement" would not/should not, axiologically speaking, compromise the integrity or worth of a Rights movement of any kind simply because a lesser thing fits the definition of a "movement", and (if you ask me) it is very ridiculous to propose such. Also, strictly speaking, if it was a Movement challenging (most likely) gender roles then it would be a social movement, and probably a "general tier" one at most/if that, on the other hand you compared them to "top tier" human rights movements/issues. I don't think I need to explain how very different those are in both meaning and importance. In that sense, I do think that the meaning of "movement" in that post is very over romanticized.