Furry discussion thread

[000 206]

I can't because it bothers me. Furries just wan't too have a "link" to bronies because honestly bronies are portrayed better in popular culture.

 

But remember the most Important rule. The rule you must never forget. Just because one person does it, does that mean they all?

Oh, and the only reason I know this is because my best friends are ALL Furries! And I ain't joking! But they all act different, They are different people, and are NOT Generic Furries.

 

Anyways, I still vote for calm,

[John 793]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. I am quite interested to know what about us disgusts you so much, simply because I don't understand exactly why? Also, I don't like to know that I give people a "bad feeling," so generally if I know I do, I'd like to understand why.

 

~With interest in understanding, your feathery comrade, Nevermore

 

 

 

I am leaving my above question because I am not sure if this truly answers it or not, but I will continue anyway.

 

I have yet to see many people actually fully link the two groups. I always say they are just labels, brony and furry alike, you only are what you choose to be.

 

This is getting off topic, and as you seem to be the type who doesn't openly advertise the fact that you choose to associate yourself with that fandom, (atleast not to the degree of constantly posting about it) I respect your confusion directed at my aversion to furries.

There are really two main reasons why I don't like the concept of "furry."

 

Laydee Kaze accurately summarized the first reason:

"4. The furry fandom is about 70% sexual, 30% clean. [i know this from experience of being in that fandom for a long time, which I left in like, January this year] "

 

The second reason is that they are, IMO, too open about it. This is what creeps the general public out when it comes to fur-talk.

 

 

 

Edit: (Also, at first I wan't so biased towards furries. It was after constant exposure to furries which exibit the qualities discussed above that I started to develope the opposition.)

Edited August 13, 2012 by John

[Guest]

This is getting off topic, and as you seem to be the type who doesn't openly advertise the fact that you choose to associate yourself with that fandom, (atleast not to the degree of constantly posting about it) I respect your confusion directed at my aversion to furries.

There are really two main reasons why I don't like the concept of "furry."

 

Laydee Kaze accurately summarized the first reason:

"4. The furry fandom is about 70% sexual, 30% clean. [i know this from experience of being in that fandom for a long time, which I left in like, January this year] "

 

The second reason is that they are, IMO, too open about it. This is what creeps the general public out when it comes to fur-talk.

 

First off, I would have to disagree with those statistics, it depends on where you are. There are many furries who happily enjoy clean art and the comraderie of their furry friends, just as many bronies do with other bronies. The brony fandom is just young, the sexual parts have yet to fully leak out to the public, when they do it'll be the same situation.

 

A lot of people would say the same thing about us bronies being too open as well. Yeah, there is a point that it gets annoying, but I don't see anything wrong with being happy about being either a furry or a brony. Also, much of the brony fandom is sexual as well, if you've ever seen the Google+ brony community its almost entirely that from what I've come across. Also, many people are creeped out by brony-speak too often in public as well.

 

Every fandom has its people who won't shut up, and who are overzealous about sex, that's pretty much the rule. If something exits on the internet, porn and sex will find its way to delve in, always.

 

Also, I realize you see me as different, but that image you posted above hurts me as much as any other furry.

Edited August 13, 2012 by Guest

[John 793]

First off, I would have to disagree with those statistics, it depends on where you are. There are many furries who happily enjoy clean art and the comraderie of their furry friends, just as many bronies do with other bronies. The brony fandom is just young, the sexual parts have yet to fully leak out to the public, when they do it'll be the same situation.

 

A lot of people would say the same thing about us bronies being too open as well. Yeah, there is a point that it gets annoying, but I don't see anything wrong with being happy about being either a furry or a brony. Also, much of the brony fandom is sexual as well, if you've ever seen the Google+ brony community its almost entirely all. Also, many people are creeped out by brony-speak too often in public as well.

 

Every fandom has its people who won't shut up, and who are overzealous about sex, that's pretty much the rule. If something exits on the internet, porn and sex will find its way to delve in, always.

 

Also, I realize you see me as different, but that image you posted above hurts me as much as any other furry.

 

See! Stop making comparisons that I have to debunk.. It wastes time >.<

 

First of all, let me start by saying that the furry fandom has alot more "flexibility" as far as pornography goes.. There are many more concepts available to furries to pornify.. Also, The core of the obsession of some furries is sexuality. (If that makes sense). This is because "furry" is not soley based on one single concept. (A TV show for example.) The core of obsession with bronies MUST stem from the show itself. Sorry, I think I did a bad job explaining this...

 

While it is true that some bronies are open about their obsession, they are 99.5% of the time not open about any sexual aspects of their obsession like furries are...

[Guest]

See! Stop making comparisons that I have to debunk.. It wastes time >.<

 

First of all, let me start by saying that the furry fandom has alot more "flexibility" as far as pornography goes.. There are many more concepts available to furries to pornify.. Also, The core of the obsession of some furries is sexuality. (If that makes sense). This is because "furry" is not soley based on one single concept. (A TV show for example.) The core of obsession with bronies MUST stem from the show itself. Sorry, I think I did a bad job explaining this...

 

While it is true that some bronies are open about their obsession, they are 99.5% of the time not open about any sexual aspects of their obsession like furries are...

 

It doesn't waste time, it makes a point, but that aside.

 

I see you probably aren't going to change your views so I concede since I'd rather be practicing drawing. I just ask that you view each individual for who they are, and not lump people together and make generalizations.

 

P.S. By the time this fandom grows bigger, if it lasts, it'll attract more goofballs who might not keep their secrets so well, than a rotting fruit attracts flies.

Edited August 13, 2012 by Guest

[000 206]

Oh yeah! I forgot to say something very important! The only thing i don't like in the furry community is... the costumes...sorry, but they just scare the crap out of me!

[John 793]

It doesn't waste time, it makes a point, but that aside.

 

I see you probably aren't going to change your views so I concede since I'd rather be practicing drawing. I just ask that you view each individual for who they are, and not lump people together and make generalizations.

 

P.S. By the time this fandom grows bigger, if it lasts, it'll attract more goofballs who might not keep their secrets so well, than a rotting fruit attracts flies.

 

If I completely generalized them I wouldn't have said that you seem like the "type" that doesn't advertise being a furry.

[Guest]

If I completely generalized them I wouldn't have said that you seem like the "type" that doesn't advertise being a furry.

 

*pops back in for a second*

 

I was meaning more along the lines of that picture.

 

That picture is still rustling my jimmies, and since I identify as a furry, regardless of how you make me out to be, I see that as directed straight towards me along with all others.

[Azura 1,107]

Just because somepony likes ponies doesn't instantly make them furries, they're two different things in my opinion.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

This is getting off topic, and as you seem to be the type who doesn't openly advertise the fact that you choose to associate yourself with that fandom, (atleast not to the degree of constantly posting about it) I respect your confusion directed at my aversion to furries.

There are really two main reasons why I don't like the concept of "furry."

 

Laydee Kaze accurately summarized the first reason:

"4. The furry fandom is about 70% sexual, 30% clean. [i know this from experience of being in that fandom for a long time, which I left in like, January this year] "

 

The second reason is that they are, IMO, too open about it. This is what creeps the general public out when it comes to fur-talk.

 

 

 

Edit: (Also, at first I wan't so biased towards furries. It was after constant exposure to furries which exibit the qualities discussed above that I started to develope the opposition.)

 

If you are going to take a biased, derogatory claim and state it as absolute truth, have the reasoning to at least make it one from a trusted, unbiased third-party source.

 

And you want to talk about being too open about things, when you are in THIS fandom? The only reason I even found out about this fandom is because pony stuff has been plastered everywhere by newfags. When you catch wind of ponies on a forum with about 30 active members, you've got a fairly virulent thing going on. Lots of bronies tell EVERYONE about EVERYTHING pony.

 

And you honestly say that you are opposed to furries because of the large quantity of sexual art? If that stuff bothers you, why the hell are you in THIS fandom? I can name no less than three sites where immense amounts of clopfics, clop art, and everything else screwed up and disturbing in pony form can be found in wild abundance.

 

Why are you criticizing furries for their small percentage of deviants, when you don't seem to be against bronies' small percentage of sexual deviants (Which can be significantly more creepy). And why criticize furries for "fur talk", when bronies spread "pony talk" EVERYWHERE? And btw, if you think yiffers are the only ones open about EVERY little detail of their sexual crap, think again. Cloppers are VERY open and forward about it, and many interject it where it is absolutely inappropriate.

 

Now, I could spend another 1000 words explicitly showing your immense use of double-standards and myriad of fallacies, but I've gone on long enough. Let me close with this: Don't judge a book by its cover. If the first thing I saw of MLP had been something off e621, I would NEVER have been a brony.

[p51 15]

I would say no, sure there are people in both groups but that doesn't mean that the whole of the group is in the other group.

 

Seeing as I am not a furry (I see it as a little bit creepy, but hey, that's why I'm not one), I'd say that not all bronies are furries, and vice versa.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

I would say no, sure there are people in both groups but that doesn't mean that the whole of the group is in the other group.

 

Seeing as I am not a furry (I see it as a little bit creepy, but hey, that's why I'm not one), I'd say that not all bronies are furries, and vice versa.

 

I would agree on furries not all being bronies, but not on bronies not all being furries. Here is why...

 

Furries aren't necessarily bronies because you have to specifically like MLP to be a brony, and furries don't all like MLP. However, the reason I can say all bronies are furries is because, when you really flesh it out, the definition of furry is not only nebulous and vague, but complex and not based on consensus. Id est, not all furries agree on a single definition of what it means to be a furry, but bronies have decided a definition. Furries, in the most largely accepted definition, are those with at least an appreciation for animals with ANY (not necessarily the entire spectrum of) anthropomorphic characteristics. Whilst the ponies in MLP:FiM clearly are of a feral animalian form, they extensively display many anthropomorphic traits: The capacity for complex verbal systems, the ability to conceptualize a universally agreed upon form of society and societal code, the ability to use logic and reasoning, a high degree of potential and absolute intellect, et cetera. Anthropomorphic simply means "the possessing of human or humanoid traits, in partial or in full.".

 

Therefore, having an appreciation for these anthropomorphic ponies, it can be assumed that the L1, L2, L3, R1, and R2 groups of bronies (per the diagram I supplied on page three) fall within the definitive spectrum of the L1_x, L2_x, L3_x, R1_x, and R2_x branches of the L1, L2, L3, R1, and R2 subsets (respectively) of the furry fandom, where x is represented as a variable. R3 of the brony subgroup's spectrum would be an outlier of the weak end of the R3_|yz| spectrum of the R3_x branch of the R3 subset of the furry fandom, where "|yz|" is expressed as a base integral function in a limit of Δdx_lim→0= Δdy+Δdz, expressing the factor of the changing or changed value of dx as the value of dx weakens and approaches the value of the changing or changed value of dy, implying two different static curves (y and z) and one adjusting curve (x) that adjusts to intersect at the point of dx=0 (the axis point, implying the intersection happens at a x value of 0, a y value not equal to 0, and a z value that is the reciprocal value of y). At this intersection, you find the single variable value of R3_|yz|, which can be assumed to be the psychological make-up of someone who is not a brony and is a furry. The other values are static and defined, with the values defining a state of 1 of the boolean statements regarding the definition of these: L1_x= L1, L2_x= L2, L3_x= L3, R1_x= R1, and R2_x= R2.

 

So yes, all bronies are furries.

[SugarSprinkledFox 69]

To those saying there are other forums like this one, other furry related forums on here are "Furries, why do people hate them". But I could not find the answer I was looking for. So I made this forum asking a specific question.

 

It's basically a matter of a opinion and your definition of furries (which I figured out after all these posts and drama). But I still believe that bronies are very similar to furries regardless of what bronies say.

[p51 15]

I would agree on furries not all being bronies, but not on bronies not all being furries. Here is why...

 

Furries aren't necessarily bronies because you have to specifically like MLP to be a brony, and furries don't all like MLP. However, the reason I can say all bronies are furries is because, when you really flesh it out, the definition of furry is not only nebulous and vague, but complex and not based on consensus. Id est, not all furries agree on a single definition of what it means to be a furry, but bronies have decided a definition. Furries, in the most largely accepted definition, are those with at least an appreciation for animals with ANY (not necessarily the entire spectrum of) anthropomorphic characteristics. Whilst the ponies in MLP:FiM clearly are of a feral animalian form, they extensively display many anthropomorphic traits: The capacity for complex verbal systems, the ability to conceptualize a universally agreed upon form of society and societal code, the ability to use logic and reasoning, a high degree of potential and absolute intellect, et cetera. Anthropomorphic simply means "the possessing of human or humanoid traits, in partial or in full.".

 

Therefore, having an appreciation for these anthropomorphic ponies, it can be assumed that the L1, L2, L3, R1, and R2 groups of bronies (per the diagram I supplied on page three) fall within the definitive spectrum of the L1_x, L2_x, L3_x, R1_x, and R2_x branches of the L1, L2, L3, R1, and R2 subsets (respectively) of the furry fandom, where x is represented as a variable. R3 of the brony subgroup's spectrum would be an outlier of the weak end of the R3_|yz| spectrum of the R3_x branch of the R3 subset of the furry fandom, where "|yz|" is expressed as a base integral function in a limit of Δdx_lim→0= Δdy+Δdz, expressing the factor of the changing or changed value of dx as the value of dx weakens and approaches the value of the changing or changed value of dy, implying two different static curves (y and z) and one adjusting curve (x) that adjusts to intersect at the point of dx=0 (the axis point, implying the intersection happens at a x value of 0, a y value not equal to 0, and a z value that is the reciprocal value of y). At this intersection, you find the single variable value of R3_|yz|, which can be assumed to be the psychological make-up of someone who is not a brony and is a furry. The other values are static and defined, with the values defining a state of 1 of the boolean statements regarding the definition of these: L1_x= L1, L2_x= L2, L3_x= L3, R1_x= R1, and R2_x= R2.

 

So yes, all bronies are furries.

 

i accept your reasoning on that, even if I couldn't understand the 2nd paragraph, which is ok. I'm not a math person, so I got lost in the 2nd one. But I accept your reasoning

[Rainbow Dashin' 107]

I don't really think they are. :l

Yes, Bronies like Ponies.

Yes, Bronies can like Anthro Ponies/Furry Ponies.

But I don't really consider Bronies Furries. It just, doesn't compute.

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

i accept your reasoning on that, even if I couldn't understand the 2nd paragraph, which is ok. I'm not a math person, so I got lost in the 2nd one. But I accept your reasoning

 

Second paragraph was just some basic vector calculus, psychology, and statistical data. Nothing special.

[Teh Boi 113]

It's because the bulk of the furry fandom is very sexual and often extremely heavily fetished and kinky. This severely irks a large number of people on the internet (including bronies) as most mainstream people view sex between two sapient anthropomorphic animals as no different than beastiality.

 

biased.

Now I do enjoy the darkest sides of both fandoms, but this is just biased. Where did you get this information? CSI?

Edited August 13, 2012 by Teh Boi

[p51 15]

Second paragraph was just some basic vector calculus, psychology, and statistical data. Nothing special.

 

vector calculus. i'm only going into geometry, sooo yeah. i agree with your reasoning on the anthro bits of the MLP ponies, which yeah could leave us as furries... but I don't consider myself one, so I feel it's more what you think of yourself as. Since not all fans of MLP are "bronies," not all fans of anthro animals are "furries."

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

vector calculus. i'm only going into geometry, sooo yeah. i agree with your reasoning on the anthro bits of the MLP ponies, which yeah could leave us as furries... but I don't consider myself one, so I feel it's more what you think of yourself as. Since not all fans of MLP are "bronies," not all fans of anthro animals are "furries."

 

Yes, but the data points to the conclusion that, if you assign yourself the title of brony (being in the L1, L2, L3, R1, or R2 (R3 with certain parameters) subgroups of the brony branch), you are deciding to be part of a point system (much like a 3 dimensional Cartesian system) that is a subvector of the furry fandom. What this means is that, while you are not part of the L1, L2, L3, R1, R2, or R3 subgroups of the furry fandom, you ARE part of the L1_x, L2_x, L3_x, R1_x, R2_x , or R3_|yz| (The last one having special parameters) branches of the furry fandom, meaning that you are a base furry and not a boolean furry, meaning that you are not necessarily part of the furry fandom, but are a weak subtype of furry that, while registering as false on a boolean system, would register as congruent or nearly congruent on an analogous spectrum.

 

Id est, bronies are a "weak" type of furry, and can transfer from the L1_x, L2_x, L3_x, R1_x, R2_x , and R3_|yz| branches to a "strong" type of furry on the L1, L2, L3, R1, R2, or R3 subgroups of the furry fandom, implying that bronies are essentially a weaker version of furries. Bronies share the same type of relation to furries as weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force have in physics. Weak nuclear force and strong nuclear force are both nuclear forces, but their specificity and magnitude differ. Bronies and furries belong in the same echelon, but bronies are a very specific form (whereas furries are very generic and unstructured) and a much weaker form at that. Essentially, bronies and furries are the same in the absolute most basic sense (fandoms with some degree of affinity for anthropomorphic animals), but the more specificities you delve into, the more differences emerge, meaning that they are the same in the general sense, but different in the specific sense.

[pactor 29]

definately not. While I have nothing against furries I dont see how they are similar at all. The only similarity I see is that a lot of people make fun of both fandoms.

[CharlieManson 38]

I really don't see why everyone freaks out over sexual content or sex in general. What is up with American society? Society acts like sex is some vile act that only perverts/whores ETC. are into. It is not right to have that view on sex.

 

I don't freak out over sexuality, or sexual content. It's stupid of you to assume so, if one were to portray themselves in the bedroom as a dog or something (which has happened to me) it would freak me out. Mainly because I am there to have sex with that person, not the anthro animal that comes along with it. People have preferences as to what they are into, and I am not against it. I thought furrism was closely correlated to bestiality, which is something that I am not into, nor will I ever be into it. It was a mistake of mine to think that it was, but people are judgemental, no? I myself am on a different spectrum of the kink scale, that people would look at me with disgust with. I play with the simplicity of SSC (Safe Sane Consensual) I myself didn't find the anomaly sane, at the time. But, what I think is sane, probably isn't to some other people. I think it's sane to be whipped, flogged, and cut, and some people think it's sane to be anthro. There is nothing wrong with either of those things.

[~Sugar Sprinkles~ 638]

Furries are more built like humans, but with animal features. Yes, there can be a pony furry. The my little ponies are built like horses. Walking on 4 legs, but more cartoonic. I think they're different..

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

I really don't see why everyone freaks out over sexual content or sex in general. What is up with American society? Society acts like sex is some vile act that only perverts/whores ETC. are into. It is not right to have that view on sex.

 

Possibly the greatest irony is that American society portrays the same bastardized view of sex that they villify. True, they act like it's something horrible, but that's also what they portray it as extensively. This form of media-driven cyclical idiocy is why I abandoned the idea of sex... its the most overdone, overhyped, cliche thing in the society I live in. It has been shoved in my face so constantly and in such abundance that it now is trite, boring, and pointless to me.

 

Congrats, America, you ruined sex for me.

[Cjero 49]

Sheesh... It doesnt matter. I watch mlp but i see it as just anither cartoon; i sat im not a brony and you cant say i am because i decide who i am.

 

Y'know i guess i am a furry. But what i read here... C'mon! Really..

I like animals but that doesn't mean i like doing dirty crap.

As much as disgusting furry artwork there is out there.

Last time i checked; R34 has the same wth ponies and clopping.

 

But you know if you have hormones like that go ahead but we dont have to know.

 

You guys tell non fans to ignore the spammers. How about of you dont like it yoy fellas oughta ignore tge dark sides too.

 

And are furries and bronies the same?

Well technicslly i guess... Because ponies are in a furries dictionary:

The major difference is that bronies like one show and furries are just all sorts of shows n animals.

 

Either way.

 

Just say you have similarities and you decide what you are

 

There are very specific differences. So they arent exactly tye same but very identical.

 

Im not really a furry or a brony. I just like both of em.

I always stay with my head in the clouds and daydream being somewhere else. Wether im doing parkour with a furry cat. Or trolling woth discord.

Edited August 14, 2012 by Cjero

[Speedy Transition 788]

THE REASON BRONIES ARE CALLED BRONIES IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FURRIES!!!! Okay rage over, im not getting into this, i dont really like Furries PERIOD!