gaming Hatred: Does it offend you?

[Barbaloot 198]

 

 

Ya got a ton whack jobs out there who could actually go out to a gun store and do shit like this.

Yeah but that's the thing. They'd do that shit anyway, because they're crazy and unhinged. The game isn't brainwashing them into doing it.

 

Really, it's these kinds of people we should look out for, not the games they might play.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Guys, this is exactly what they want. We're talking about their idiotic murderporn video game just because it's murderporn. You've got the guys who want it banned, the ones who say "it's freedom of speech, but I'm still offended," and then the people who are morbidly interested, and will buy it just because it's controversial.

 

That last one is their target audience. Nobody with two braincells to rub together would have given this retarded game a second look if it wasn't "3edgy5me." And while I highly doubt that any prospective mass shooter will use this ridiculous thing as bootcamp, the idea is still prevalent enough in everyone's minds that these uncreative hacks can make their shitty game e-famous without even putting a smidgen of work into it.

 

That sums it up well. Stuff like this runs on shock-value and the creators know that if they can carve out a customer base of people that will either buy it out of morbid curiosity about such a product and people that will buy it just to just offended they've lined their pockets and had a success. It's no different than gory horror-movies like Saw or Hostel that run on sock-value. 

Yeah but that's the thing. They'd do that shit anyway, because they're crazy and unhinged. The game isn't brainwashing them into doing it.

 

Really, it's these kinds of people we should look out for, not the games they might play.

 

 

Doom was as morally sound as you get(you play the heroic marine killing evil demons to save the world) but a school-shooter was still obsessed with it. Screwed up people will find a justification anywhere. 

[Barbaloot 198]

 

 

That last one is their target audience. Nobody with two braincells to rub together would have given this retarded game a second look if it wasn't "3edgy5me." And while I highly doubt that any prospective mass shooter will use this ridiculous thing as bootcamp, the idea is still prevalent enough in everyone's minds that these uncreative hacks can make their shitty game e-famous without even putting a smidgen of work into it.

So you've played it then. How was the mechanics. Or the story. Did you find any gamebreaking glitches. 

[Banul 3,831]

That's the interesting question though, is enjoying violence any better just because the story justifies or plays the "they're bad guys so it's okay" card? 

 

It is an interesting question. I do think that is better. In some cases not by a whole lot, but better than killing people for fun and nothing else. Also, I think an important distinction is that in games like Call of Duty or GTA, violence is a means to an objective (the objection being to beat the level or to complete the mission)  and not the goal in of itself. I'd argue a lot of the enjoyment of those games is the completion of a challenge, and not of the violence.

 

Unless you just go around and kill people in GTA, in which case there really isn't a difference. I'll admit to having done that before.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

It is an interesting question. I do think that is better. In some cases not by a whole lot, but better than killing people for fun and nothing else. Also, I think an important distinction is that in games like Call of Duty or GTA, violence is a means to an objective (the objection being to beat the level or to complete the mission)  and not the goal in of itself. I'd argue a lot of the enjoyment of those games is the completion of a challenge, and not of the violence.

 

Unless you just go around and kill people in GTA, in which case there really isn't a difference. I'll admit to having done that before.

 

You still bought the game because the core-game of shooting shit up is fun, if anything this game is an exercise in brutal honestly:

 

"Hey, you buy this shit because you enjoy the violence so here's a game that doesn't pussy-foot around the fact you're playing out of some basic human instinct towards brutality that this is a socially acceptable way to vent."

 

I doubt the creators are smart-enough to come from such an angle and assuming the games intention is that witty is probably giving to much credit but it's an interesting idea.  

Edited October 27, 2014 by Shoboni

[Banul 3,831]

You still bought the game because the core-game of shooting shit up is fun, if anything this game is an exercise in brutal honestly:

 

"Hey, you buy this shit because you enjoy the violence so here's a game that doesn't pussy-foot around the fact you're playing out of some basic human instinct towards brutality that this is a socially acceptable way to vent."

 

I doubt the creators are smart-enough to come from such an angle and assuming the games intention is that witty is probably giving to much credit but it's an interesting idea.  

 

I suppose that's true. Most games do tend to boil down to killing things, no matter how it happens mechanically. I do think there's something to be said for the reason you are doing it, though. The context. Or maybe its just because I want to believe that there's a difference, and that's why this game strikes a nerve.

 

Something to think about

Edited October 27, 2014 by Banul

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

I suppose that's true. Most games do tend to boil down to killing things, no matter how it happens mechanically. I do think there's something to be said for the reason you are doing it, though. The context. Or maybe its just because I want to believe that there's a difference, and that's why this game strikes a nerve.

 

Something to think about

 

That could be the issue for a lot of people, I imagine. I'm not one to judge because I like some pretty violent games myself, but the concept that that a deep story or pretty visuals might  just be justifications for the carnage is pretty sobering. It's like Methos said, though:

 

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."

Edited October 27, 2014 by Shoboni

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

This game seems totally unappealing. Maybe I will be surprised and it turns out to be really clever, but from the trailer it looks like there is pretty much zero reason to root for the protagonist or care if he 'wins'.

 

Yeah, this game is trying way too hard and the people who made it sound like jerks.

 

EDIT: Personally I'm a bit of a weirdo when I play games like GTA. I actually try really hard to not kill civilians even though the game doesn't give me any special reward for doing so.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Andaasonsan

[ReverseFaller 2,484]

Why would this offend me? It's just some game that seems to be trying way to hard to be some form of "badass". A whole game based around shooting civilians seems kind of boring. If I want to go on a psychopathic rampage, I'll do it in a game like Red Dead Redemption. The gameplay reminds me of Dead Nation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I just don't really see the appeal of shooting people in a bird's eye view arcade game. This game will probably be controversial for obvious reasons. I personally don't really care about it though. I'm more interested in stuff like the new Pokemon game coming out this year. Why should I go around shooting civilians when do stuff like this instead? 

 

 

[N.W. 3,619]

This seems very straight forward in killing innocent people.

Even more than any Grand Theft Auto game I've seen.

To be honest, I'm scared of what and who this game will influence.

Ya got a ton whack jobs out there who could actually go out to a gun store and do shit like this.

My hope is that they take this game from the shelves.

Video games about ruthless genocide are evil and do not belong in gaming stores.

I am largely inclined to agree with this. In games like GTA, it's not about outright killing innocent people, games like GTA tend to have the feature of killing innocent civilians for the occasional dark humor when you pop a cap in a guys ass when you steal his car. But they remain mostly orientated less towards innocent killing people and more of causing chaos and getting pursued by the cops.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

This game seems totally unappealing. Maybe I will be surprised and it turns out to be really clever, but from the trailer it looks like there is pretty much zero reason to root for the protagonist or care if he 'wins'.

 

Yeah, this game is trying way too hard and the people who made it sound like jerks.

 

EDIT: Personally I'm a bit of a weirdo when I play games like GTA. I actually try really hard to not kill civilians even though the game doesn't give me any special reward for doing so.

 

I dunno, the head-writer for Borderlands is kind of prick but it doesn't make me like his writing any less or really get any less enjoyment out of the game.

 

Not saying this game will be good, but just throwing that out there. 

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

I dunno, the head-writer for Borderlands is kind of prick but it doesn't make me like his writing any less or really get any less enjoyment out of the game.

 

Not saying this game will be good, but just throwing that out there. 

Well no, of course not. But it makes me not have a whole lot of sympathy for them when all those mean people who just don't "get" their game say bad things about them.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Well no, of course not. But it makes me not have a whole lot of sympathy for them when all those mean people who just don't "get" their game say bad things about them.

 

Regardless of where you stand, calling them Neo-Nazis and human-garbage when you have no proof of any such claim or have spoken with them enough to know their character is kinda crossing the line. 

[Plageius 263]

Regardless of where you stand, calling them Neo-Nazis and human-garbage when you have no proof of any such claim or have spoken with them enough to know their character is kinda crossing the line. 

The studio's lead dev liked a neo nazi group's facebook page, and when questioned, said "I followed them because they report news" or some BS like that.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Regardless of where you stand, calling them Neo-Nazis and human-garbage when you have no proof of any such claim or have spoken with them enough to know their character is kinda crossing the line. 

The Neo-Nazi thing is sort of random and out of nowhere.

 

But from reading what these guys have to say about their game and the fact that they're making this game makes me think that they are attention seeking idiots who think violence just for the sake of violence is "totally awesome, dood". It makes me have absolutely no desire to meet them in real life or have to spend any time talking to them and it certainly doesn't make me have any respect for them.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

The studio's lead dev liked a neo nazi group's facebook page, and when questioned, said "I followed them because they report news" or some BS like that.

 

Now that part I didn't know(however, there is the chance he's really that stupid and didn't know they were. Unless he exposes hateful views right from his own mouth I'd be skeptic of that claim that he himself is one)

The Neo-Nazi thing is sort of random and out of nowhere.

 

But from reading what these guys have to say about their game and the fact that they're making this game makes me think that they are attention seeking idiots who think violence just for the sake of violence is "totally awesome, dood". It makes me have absolutely no desire to meet them in real life or have to spend any time talking to them and it certainly doesn't make me have any respect for them.

 

Fair enough, I disagree that someone's immature tastes in media or art makes them a bad person by default but fair enough 

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Fair enough, I disagree that someone's immature tastes in media or art makes them a bad person by default but fair enough 

It doesn't so much have to do with their taste in media, it has to do with the reasons they seem to be making this game: Get a whole lot of negative attention for the sake of getting negative attention and then feign being butthurt because "society just doesn't understand us".

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

It doesn't so much have to do with their taste in media, it has to do with the reasons they seem to be making this game: Get a whole lot of negative attention for the sake of getting negative attention and then feign being butthurt because "society just doesn't understand us".

 

More understandable, I'd put my money more on them just being dumbasses than being actively malevolent though. 

Edited October 27, 2014 by Shoboni

[NotoriousSMALL 1,984]

Not offended but it does kind of make me sick.

like stomach sick. its the detail they go through with the kills and the woman begging for her life. like in gta its not that bad to me because the ai is just so fake its like im killing robots. although it doesnt actually bother me like it kinda sounds like it does, its just... im having a hard time trying to articulate this, 

 

im not offended but its just a game so, meh. basically

i mean i kill shit all the time in video games so big whoop its not like its real people, and i dont have the tin foil balls to kill people irl.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

Not offended but it does kind of make me sick.

like stomach sick. its the detail they go through with the kills and the woman begging for her life. like in gta its not that bad to me because the ai is just so fake its like im killing robots. although it doesnt actually bother me like it kinda sounds like it does, its just... im having a hard time trying to articulate this, 

 

im not offended but its just a game so, meh. basically

i mean i kill shit all the time in video games so big whoop its not like its real people, and i dont have the tin foil balls to kill people irl.

 

It's the opposite, actually.

 

Having so little-value for human life you could kill easily would be the weakness. 

[Plageius 263]

Now that part I didn't know(however, there is the chance he's really that stupid and didn't know they were. Unless he exposes hateful views right from his own mouth I'd be skeptic of that claim that he himself is one)

 

Fair enough, I disagree that someone's immature tastes in media or art makes them a bad person by default but fair enough 

No, from what I undertsand they were quite blatant about it. It's like the CEO of EA following the KKK FB page [assuming they have one, i dont wanna lower my IQ by seeing if they have one], except on a much smaller scale.

[Barbaloot 198]

No, from what I undertsand they were quite blatant about it. It's like the CEO of EA following the KKK FB page [assuming they have one, i dont wanna lower my IQ by seeing if they have one], except on a much smaller scale.

Yeah but the question is, did he do it because he agrees, or to stir up controversy.

 

I think most everything about this game leads to the conclusion that they're trying to make a viral game through negative press. Liking controversial facebook page would definitly aid in that.

[FoxyCryptid 4,330]

No, from what I undertsand they were quite blatant about it. It's like the CEO of EA following the KKK FB page [assuming they have one, i dont wanna lower my IQ by seeing if they have one], except on a much smaller scale.

 

Interesting, I'm still skeptical because human stupidity knows no bounds but you've peaked my interest.  

[deadprofile 1,123]

I am not offended by it. All shooter games I do not like, but if I let them offend me, it'd be pretty hard to live a decent life because that would equate to many things that I dislike offending me. In other words, other games like this one exists (there's a Columbine Shooting game and "I have no mouth but I must Scream" game, both based on very horrid events (one real and one completely fictitious). this new game just part of the entertainment industry, where there are lots of worse stuff out there if you expand your horizons and knowledge about what exists in worldwide entertainment (not just in video games either).  In general, I should be offended, but again, how could I live a normal life if this game was offend me while other aspects of the entertainment industry do not (in other words, being a complete hypocrite), or worse yet, this game just being added to the plethora of things I should be offended by.

It's not like me being offended is going to do anything to rid the problem, and protesting over something undesirable is not going to change policies and regulations when games like this is what the general gaming population wants (why else is Call of Duty and GTA so popular?). If anything from this basis, I should be offended at gamers who play these kinds of games and call out that their minds are sick and twisted....but are they really? One of my husbands' best friends enjoys the game Manhunt, and he perfectly normal, very intelligent is not sick and twisted in any way (and right now is being #1 dad to his first baby girl, whose cuter than a button )

So where do you draw the line if you want to be offended? If you want to make a real statement about something undesirable in the entertainment industry than DO NOT support such forms of entertainment. I surely don't. I don't play any shooting game, or watch much of anything above PG-13. You could say that I am limiting myself, but I am perfectly happy with the selections out there within the boundaries I set for myself, and I would much rather support what I enjoy and not support what I don't.....that's how money talks....

[Guest]

Seems like any other violent FPS/TPS/ARCADE shooter out there. You kill people, you get killed. Restart.

 

I mean, sure, there appears to be some up-close-and-personal "execution" moves in here, but so were there in GTA V (and countless other shooters), a game just as violent, if not more.

 

tl;dr; every game with some sort of gameplay that includes you shooting someone can cause some sort of controversy, not even shooting some times. As an example, BioShock: Infinite has been accused of racism.  -_-

 

Do I have hatred for that game? Hell no!