Theory Are there alternate universes where everyday people are famous?

[ScarfaceOne 263]

OK, here is a really complicated question, is there an infinite amount of alternate universes, where everyday people like you or your best friend are really famous? Like Rally Drivers or Football Players? I'd really like to go to one, apparently, one theory of parallel universes is ''it's only possible if it's physically possible'', like in death note. I believe though, that all universes must follow Lavoisier's Law ''Matter Cannot be created or destroyed'', my theory is, Matter can be destroyed, but it cannot be created. Therefore, thanks to this paradox, fiction is real, there must be a universe where my next door neighbour is a football player. Could there be a way in the future to reach these universes?

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

I doubt that there will ever be a way to really research other universes, I feel like, if it were possible, physically possible, some universe would have made contact with us already, unfortunately.

[Dsanders 5,746]

fiction is real

 

Yeah, this would mean that there is an alternate universe where the anthropomorphic characters from My Little Pony actually exist. If the multiverse theory was true, there would be millions upon millions of alternate universes where the characters from My Little Pony exist, including their infamous depictions from every fan fiction every written. Every fictional story that has ever been thought of would be true in the billions upon billions of supposed alternate universes out there. Every possible alternate time frame, every possible alternate series of events would take place in these alternate universes. There would be an uncountable number of universes in which the laws of physics behave differently. So every single possible thing you can or cannot think of would be real, would exist, and would be true in many of these universes. The possibilities would truly be endless.

 

But one problem. This would imply that there must be at least one (hell, there could be millions like this) universe where humans do have the technology to travel to different universes! We would have known this by now. Statistically speaking, if a multiverse exists, and the possibilities are limitless, there must be universes where humans are technologically capable of making contact with humans from other universes. Or since you mentioned that this would imply that fiction could be real in some of these universes, there would have definitely been at least one universe where humans possess superhuman abilities, perhaps the ability to warp the very fabric of space and time, which could allow them to travel to different universes, including ours. These supernatural beings should have paid us a visit by now. 

 

This is why we have a reason to doubt the existence of alternate universes.

It's just speculative science fiction in my opinion.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Dsanders

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

 

 

This would imply that there must be at least one (hell, there could be millions like this) universe where humans do have the technology to travel to different universes!

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Exactly. In my dreams, I'm a superhero with that ability (don't laugh, you've imagined something like it before). I imagine that, if I dreamed it, and I constantly play with the idea in my head, then that would be a reality in an alternate dimension. Then he would have come here, met me, and taken me to live with the Bat Family (why didn't that happen ). 

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Yeah, this would mean that there is an alternate universe where the anthropomorphic characters from My Little Pony actually exist. If the multiverse theory was true, there would millions upon millions of alternate universes where the characters from My Little Pony exist, including their infamous depictions from every fan fiction every written. Every fictional story that has ever been thought of would be true in the billions upon billions of supposed alternate universes out there. Every possible alternate time frame, every possible alternate series of events would take place in these alternate universes. There would be an uncountable number of universes in which the laws of physics behave differently. So every single possible thing you can or cannot think of would be real, would exist, and would be true in many of these universes. The possibilities would truly be endless.

 

But one problem. This would imply that there must be at least one (hell, there could be millions like this) universe where humans do have the technology to travel to different universes! We would have known this by now. Statistically speaking, if a multiverse exists, and the possibilities are limitless, there must be universes where humans are technologically capable of making contact with humans from other universes. Or since you mentioned that this would imply that fiction could be real in some of these universes, there would have definitely been at least one universe where humans possess superhuman abilities, perhaps the ability to warp the very fabric of space and time, which could allow them to travel to different universes, including ours. These supernatural beings should have paid us a visit by now. 

 

This is why we have a reason to doubt the existence of alternate universes.

It's just speculative science fiction in my opinion.

 

Well, I only think it is because of Lavoisier's law on matter, ''Matter Cannot be created or destroyed'' but then my teacher said ''Energy cannot be created or destroyed'', I believe that Matter can be destroyed, but not created. They said in a year, they could create matter from light, http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/18/matter-light-photons-electrons-positronsThat's not matter creation, that's Transmutation!!! Lavoisier, Hawking, and other people have a belief that their must be more universes, it's just a belief and a hypothesis at the moment, but I reckon it can be proven, I've heard of men who believe they are from the past or future, and also men who believed they are aliens. I was reading this really convincing book called ''The Roswell Message'',  it had a man, called Rene Coudris, who used his psychic wife to channel the Roswell aliens and speak to them, it's very convincing. And I honestly do not think it is fake. It said ''Everything in the universe must be psychically connected, otherwise this communication is not possible'' and the aliens, called Lilit, Bax, Lorin and Alira, said ''Happiness is not without suffering''. and something like ''Sugar only dissolves in milk''. Which was a cryptic riddle. I just hope that there are fictional universes featuring everyday people you know being a famous rally driver.

[Guest]

Well, I only think it is because of Lavoisier's law on matter, ''Matter Cannot be created or destroyed'' but then my teacher said ''Energy cannot be created or destroyed'', I believe that Matter can be destroyed, but not created. They said in a year, they could create matter from light, http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/18/matter-light-photons-electrons-positronsThat's not matter creation, that's Transmutation!!! Lavoisier, Hawking, and other people have a belief that their must be more universes, it's just a belief and a hypothesis at the moment, but I reckon it can be proven, I've heard of men who believe they are from the past or future, and also men who believed they are aliens. I was reading this really convincing book called ''The Roswell Message'',  it had a man, called Rene Coudris, who used his psychic wife to channel the Roswell aliens and speak to them, it's very convincing. And I honestly do not think it is fake. It said ''Everything in the universe must be psychically connected, otherwise this communication is not possible'' and the aliens, called Lilit, Bax, Lorin and Alira, said ''Happiness is not without suffering''. and something like ''Sugar only dissolves in milk''. Which was a cryptic riddle. I just hope that there are fictional universes featuring everyday people you know being a famous rally driver.

It's said that nor matter nor energy can be destroyed nor created. It's transformed. Mass can become energy and energy can become mass. Thats the relationship in Einsteins theory.

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

 

 

I just hope that there are fictional universes featuring everyday people you know being a famous rally driver.

 

What's the deal with the rally driver?

 

Anyways, I would love to have a drink and party with Nightwing, Ezio, and Jellal, I just find it doubtful to work like that. Also, matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred, like, matter being turned into energy and light (yes, light comes from matter). 

[ScarfaceOne 263]

What's the deal with the rally driver?

 

Anyways, I would love to have a drink and party with Nightwing, Ezio, and Jellal, I just find it doubtful to work like that. Also, matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred, like, matter being turned into energy and light (yes, light comes from matter). 

 

Henceforth, because Matter can only be transferred, unobtanium is a type of matter, it was created, therefore causing a paradox, the only solution is that it was already there in the first place, therefore, Fictional universes existed before they created them, I believe that every universe must follow the basic set of mass laws.

[Dsanders 5,746]

 

 

I just hope that there are fictional universes featuring everyday people you know being a famous rally driver.

 

Well the implications of such a theory, especially in the way you expressed it, appear statistically and apparently invalid. You can speculate all you want. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting here wondering why Pinkie Pie has yet to come to visit me through some trans-universal portal and give me endless hugs. ;_;

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

Henceforth, because Matter can only be transferred, unobtanium is a type of matter, it was created, therefore causing a paradox, the only solution is that it was already there in the first place, therefore, Fictional universes existed before they created them, I believe that every universe must follow the basic set of mass laws.

 

You're using your theory to support your theory, unobtanium doesn't exist (as far as we know). Also, you know what it was created with?Other matter. 

Edited June 5, 2015 by Jellal Fernandes

[ScarfaceOne 263]

You're using your theory to support your theory, unobtanium doesn't exist (as far as we know). Also, you know what it was created with?Other matter. 

 

No, other matter is still matter, Unobtanium is matter, matter law, existed in first place before avatar was even created.

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

 

 

No, other matter is still matter, Unobtanium is matter, matter law, existed in first place before avatar was even created.

 

Matter is an extremely difficult concept to explain, considering that everything is made up of matter (or energy, which comes from matter). Matter simply changes form, solid, liquid, gas, plasma, etc. Also, like I said, you can't use unobtanium as an example, as there is no proof of it's existence.

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,301]

is there an infinite amount of alternate universes

Maybe.

 

 

 

where everyday people like you or your best friend are really famous?

I don't see why not.

 

 

 

Like Rally Drivers or Football Players?

I'm a notorious serial killer in one universe and a famous actor in another...  Who portrays a notorious serial killer.

 

 

 

Could there be a way in the future to reach these universes?

Idunno.

 

Read this, though: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/string-theory-parallel-universes-and-the-multivers.html

But one problem. This would imply that there must be at least one (hell, there could be millions like this) universe where humans do have the technology to travel to different universes! We would have known this by now. Statistically speaking, if a multiverse exists, and the possibilities are limitless, there must be universes where humans are technologically capable of making contact with humans from other universes. Or since you mentioned that this would imply that fiction could be real in some of these universes, there would have definitely been at least one universe where humans possess superhuman abilities, perhaps the ability to warp the very fabric of space and time, which could allow them to travel to different universes, including ours. These supernatural beings should have paid us a visit by now.

I've got a problem with your problem.  If there are innumerable parallel universes - even ones where the inhabitants can travel between universes - the likelihood that they'd just happen to cross over into ours, specifically, is infinitesimal.  Maybe ours is more difficult to access.  Or super boring.  One grain of sand in a sand dune trying to seek out another particular grain of sand.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Ziggy and Angelbaby

[Dsanders 5,746]

I've got a problem with your problem.  If there are innumerable parallel universes - even ones where the inhabitants can travel between universes - the likelihood that they'd just happen to cross over into ours, specifically, is infinitesimally small.  Maybe ours is more difficult to access.  Or super boring.  One grain of sand in a sand dune trying to seek out another particular grain of sand.

If there are innumerable parallel universes and the possibilities are endless like OP seemed to imply, statistically the likelihood of inhabitants crossing over into our universe is infinitely great and infinitely small at the same time. You realize the implications of OP's claims? The possibilities are endless. There could be innumerable universes where inhabitants possess the technology to travel between universes and choose to travel to ours just as there could be innumerable universes where the inhabitants decide to travel to this other universe, and so on and so on. A sand dune is a horrible analogy to explain probability. The odds of each grain of sand being placed exactly where they are in any  sand dune could be at least one in octillions. The odds of typing all the characters that I'm typing right now in this exact arrangement could be more than one in quintillions. 

[ScarfaceOne 263]

Matter is an extremely difficult concept to explain, considering that everything is made up of matter (or energy, which comes from matter). Matter simply changes form, solid, liquid, gas, plasma, etc. Also, like I said, you can't use unobtanium as an example, as there is no proof of it's existence.

 

No proof of it's existence? It's matter!!! and therefore, it does exist. Because ''matter cannot be created or destroyed''. Therefore, it exists.

Maybe.

 

 

 

I don't see why not.

 

 

 

I'm a notorious serial killer in one universe and a famous actor in another...  Who portrays a notorious serial killer.

 

 

 

Idunno.

 

Read this, though: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/string-theory-parallel-universes-and-the-multivers.html

I've got a problem with your problem.  If there are innumerable parallel universes - even ones where the inhabitants can travel between universes - the likelihood that they'd just happen to cross over into ours, specifically, is infinitesimal.  Maybe ours is more difficult to access.  Or super boring.  One grain of sand in a sand dune trying to seek out another particular grain of sand.

 

You make sense, finally, that's why it's unlikely we see people from other universes. Because there are too many universes, and it's unlikely they'd find ours. Amazing.

Edited June 5, 2015 by ScarfaceOne

[Dsanders 5,746]

You make sense, finally, that's why it's unlikely we see people from other universes. Because there are too many universes, and it's unlikely they'd find ours. Amazing.

 

*sighs* I repeat:

 

There could be innumerable universes where inhabitants possess the technology to travel between universes and incidentally travel to ours just as there could be innumerable universes where the inhabitants incidentally, travel to this other universe, and so on and so on.

 

It's extremely likely and unlikely that we'd see people from other universes BECAUSE there are too universes. Too many universes in which the inhabitants know about our universes and want to pay us a visit. Just like there are too many universes in which the inhabitants know about these other universes and want to pay the inhabitants of those universes a visit. And so on and so on and so on. The unlikelihood of something is completely irrelevant because the probabilities can vary and be totally different in quadrillions upon quadrillions of these universes if the multiverse theory was true. 

Edited June 5, 2015 by Dsanders

[Gestum 2,493]

 

 

my theory is, Matter can be destroyed, but it cannot be created.

 

Why do you think that? Is your theory based on evidence or is it simply wishful thinking? 

[Thorn O Discord 118]

I think it's impossible to say for sure either way, because we can't leave reality in general. 

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,301]

*sighs* I repeat:

 

There could be innumerable universes where inhabitants possess the technology to travel between universes and incidentally travel to ours just as there could be innumerable universes where the inhabitants incidentally, travel to this other universe, and so on and so on.

 

It's extremely likely and unlikely that we'd see people from other universes BECAUSE there are too universes. Too many universes in which the inhabitants know about our universes and want to pay us a visit. Just like there are too many universes in which the inhabitants know about these other universes and want to pay the inhabitants of those universes a visit. And so on and so on and so on. The unlikelihood of something is completely irrelevant because the probabilities can vary and be totally different in quadrillions upon quadrillions of these universes if the multiverse theory was true. 

You're playing both sides of the argument.  You say things are both simultaneously likely and unlikely.  You doubt the existence of parallel universes, and then turn around and claim that it's likely these non-existent universes are populated with individuals who can travel to ours.

 

I think that's far more deserving of a "sigh" than anything else in this topic.  Your own argument works against itself.  Here's what your posts sound like to me: There's no such thing as peanut butter sandwiches.  BUT, if peanut butter sandwiches do exist, they're sure to also contain jelly.

 

Also, our universe, in and of itself, is a vast and wondrous place; an endless sea of possibility and countless unknowns.  Do you believe that life exists on other planets?  In other solar systems?  Why haven't they paid us a visit?  Surely some alien species must have developed technology that would allow them to travel to Earth?

 

See how this works?

Edited June 5, 2015 by Ziggy and Angelbaby

[Dsanders 5,746]

Your own argument works against itself.  Here's what your posts sound like to me: There's no such thing as peanut butter sandwiches.  BUT, if peanut butter sandwiches do exist, they're sure to also contain jelly.

 

The theory works against itself and you post confirms this. What you are saying is exactly what I am saying about the theory OP proposed. So in a way, your post is deserving of an applause. 

 

 

 

Also, our universe, in and of itself, is a vast and wondrous place; an endless sea of possibility and countless unknowns.  Do you believe that life exists on other planets?  In other solar systems?  Why haven't they paid us a visit?  Surely some alien species must have developed technology that would allow them to travel to Earth?

 

 

Our universe is not an "endless sea of possibility." Our universe is bound by its own natural, physical, chemical, and fundamental laws. Not to mention the predominant forces in our universe: gravity, weak force, strong force, and electromagnetism. 

 

I believe that it's possible that life exists on other planets and solar systems because it seems statistically inevitable. Our galaxy alone contains ten trillion terrestrial planets. We're at least tens of billions of light years away from most of these exoplanets. Whether life out there is basic or intelligent we cannot know, not in this lifetime at least. Besides, it's possible that life could only exist on Earth. It's possible that we're alone. Prove me wrong. You can't. But, that's not the point. We're not even talking about our universe.

 

We're talking about the ridiculous notion of there being an infinitude of parallel universes, some in which, as the OP implies, fiction could be real. It's a self-defeating claim because that implies in other universes the possibilities are truly endless and I already stated the problem with that.

 

If you expect me to believe that the characters from My Little Pony could actually exist in some of these innumerable universes, what is then wrong with believing that there are innumerable universes where the technologically inhabitants know about us for whatever reason and want to pay us a visit? What is then wrong with the characters from MLP from some alternate universe knowing about us in this specific universe and wanting to pay us a visit? 

Edited June 5, 2015 by Dsanders

[Ziggy + Angel + Rain 11,301]

Our universe is not an "endless sea of possibility."

The universe is filled with things beyond the reckoning of two pseudo-intellectual back-and-forthers on a pony forum (you'll notice I've included myself).  I'd say you lack imagination, but I think, rather, you are selectively imaginative.

 

If you expect me to believe that the characters from My Little Pony could actually exist in some of these innumerable universes, what is then wrong with believing that there are innumerable universes where the technologically inhabitants know about us for whatever reason and want to pay us a visit? What is then wrong with the characters from MLP from some alternate universe knowing about us in this specific universe and wanting to pay us a visit? 

Well, this has already happened.

Edited June 5, 2015 by Ziggy and Angelbaby

[Grepper 3,192]

OK, here is a really complicated question, is there an infinite amount of alternate universes, where everyday people like you or your best friend are really famous? Like Rally Drivers or Football Players? I'd really like to go to one, apparently, one theory of parallel universes is ''it's only possible if it's physically possible'', like in death note. I believe though, that all universes must follow Lavoisier's Law ''Matter Cannot be created or destroyed'', my theory is, Matter can be destroyed, but it cannot be created. Therefore, thanks to this paradox, fiction is real, there must be a universe where my next door neighbour is a football player. Could there be a way in the future to reach these universes?

 

This is a highly speculative question with no definite answer.

Why are you convinced that the law of conservation of mass (Lavoisier's law) proves the existence of alternate universes?

 

What do you mean when you state, "fiction is real"?

If you mean that any fictional universes imagined exist, then wouldn't it be unethical to write a story about a serial killer, for example? The person writing the story caused the death of people in the universe she was writing about, and is therefore a murderer. I am extrapolating a bit, so tell me if I misunderstood your statement.

[Dsanders 5,746]

The universe is filled with things beyond the reckoning of two pseudo-intellectual back-and-forthers on a pony forum (you'll notice I've included myself).  I'd say you lack imagination, but I think, rather, you are selectively imaginative.

 

The first sentence I agree with. The second however, I would beg to differ. I'm a lot more open-minded than I may have come across. I accept that it is possible for multiple universes to exist. Just not ones in which fictional stories are actually true stories. 

 

 

Well, this has already happened.

Please don't mention My Little Dashie ... or Pinkie Pie. lol

[Kira Dogeikage 229]

 

 

No proof of it's existence? It's matter!!! and therefore, it does exist. Because ''matter cannot be created or destroyed''. Therefore, it exists.

 

UNOBTANIUM IS A FICTIONAL METAL! THERE IS NO PROOF OF IT'S EXISTENCE! You are trying to prove your argument with your argument. 

[Untitled Goose Q 5,137]

But one problem. This would imply that there must be at least one (hell, there could be millions like this) universe where humans do have the technology to travel to different universes! We would have known this by now. Statistically speaking, if a multiverse exists, and the possibilities are limitless, there must be universes where humans are technologically capable of making contact with humans from other universes.

Assuming it is possible, through some very advanced technology or otherwise to travel to such other universes, then yes, it would have happened.

 

However, the other humans may not have come to our particular iteration, nor would they necessarily let us know where they are from; it's not like anyone is likely to believe them, after all.

 

It's also possible that it's impossible throughout all universes to access other universes, if this is so then we will never know for sure if they exist or not. And if it IS possible, then this may be due to the laws of reality working differently in other universes, which may make it impossible for the travellers to return (or even survive in a universe with different laws of reality to those they have evolved to use).