Friensdhip idea is wrong

[arftbmrf 40]

Hi everyone. There's something I've been thinking on for a while, so I want to share my thoughts.

The main idea of the show is wrong. Remember when Twilight said, in the Season 4 finale? "Friendship is the most powerful magic of all" or something like that.

Well, this is wrong. Friendship isn't the most powerful thing. Romance is and I tell you why.

1)Romance bring people closer than friendship ever able.

2)Your friend won't live with you, won't make a family with you, won't make you a kid.

3)Friendship is a cheap surrogate of romance. We have 'friendzone' thing with a negative connotation, but we don't have 'romancezone' thing with any connotation. We're telling: "we're just friends", as in, nothing more, implying that romance is more than just that. Nobody says: "we're just lovers" or "we're just spouses".

4)Intimancy is impossible with a friend.

5)Everyone is striving for romance and family, as an ultimate goal, and friendship is just a side and unnescessary thing.

6)Show itself confirms my point. S04 E25, alicorn song. "When love finds its' place in every heart". Not friendship. Love. Princess of Love.

These are my main ideas. I can add new if I will remember them.

What do you think?

[J. Brony 313]

I think marketing a show about romance towards children would have been a bad idea.

[Sazama Ichida 2,367]

While this is all correct you can't talk about stuff like romance and sex in a kids show. Love and Family is important yes but so is friendship. It's something everyone needs.

[PROJECT: Simon 3,955]

While this is all correct you can't talk about stuff like romance and sex in a kids show. Love and Family is important yes but so is friendship. It's something everyone needs.

Aw.. :c I was going to say that ;~; <3  

[Mentis Soliloquy 3,027]

lore wise, i can consider your statements have merrett. However J. Pony & Asbel lhant are correct we won't see this in the series due to it's target audience so, lore wise I can see it but not when it comes to Cannon.

[SFyr 1,982]

Hi everyone. There's something I've been thinking on for a while, so I want to share my thoughts.

The main idea of the show is wrong. Remember when Twilight said, in the Season 4 finale? "Friendship is the most powerful magic of all" or something like that.

Well, this is wrong. Friendship isn't the most powerful thing. Romance is and I tell you why.

1)Romance bring people closer than friendship ever able.

2)Your friend won't live with you, won't make a family with you, won't make you a kid.

3)Friendship is a cheap surrogate of romance. We have 'friendzone' thing with a negative connotation, but we don't have 'romancezone' thing with any connotation. We're telling: "we're just friends", as in, nothing more, implying that romance is more than just that. Nobody says: "we're just lovers" or "we're just spouses".

4)Intimancy is impossible with a friend.

5)Everyone is striving for romance and family, as an ultimate goal, and friendship is just a side and unnescessary thing.

6)Show itself confirms my point. S04 E25, alicorn song. "When love finds its' place in every heart". Not friendship. Love. Princess of Love.

These are my main ideas. I can add new if I will remember them.

What do you think?

See, there's an issue with this though. Friendship and romance/love is such a broad term. There is such a thing is shallow romance, and sometimes friendship is seen as very minor. There are cases where romance that feels the strongest or most passionate bond someone has ever been connected through... only to break up and hate the person 3 months later. And, friendship actually accounts for a lot of these things you're ruling it out for.

 

1.) There have been friendships that connect people throughout the years, from childhood to late adult life. For some, it's a bond you don't outgrow, and it can unite different worlds and different ideologies. Heck, in some cases, it can be even more enduring than romance; if you're really close friends with someone, sometimes you'll actually still want them around long after a significant other/current girlfriend or boyfriend has burned through their chance. What's more, friendship has a lot less requirements, and actually has more potential in who it unites.

2.) I have heard of so many cases of friends moving in together. In fact, it's thought of as a lot more positive than boyfriend/girlfriend moving in together, because there's little to no downside mentioned unlike the latter case. If you're going off to college, moving in with your best friend is acceptable, common, and seen as a great to enjoy your time and help each other out.

3.) Again, that's using the more shallow side of a broad term, and comparing it to the deeper side of the second broad term. There's also cases where you'll talk to your best friend but never your significant other, and the idea that best friends are the people you actually talk 100% honestly to, or spend time with to cut back and have fun with. Friendship is seen as lesser in the friendzone case, simply because romance is disqualified; maybe the person bothered by being put in the friendship wanted romance and not just a connection with the person in question.

4.) Sometimes there's a lot more niceties and polite walls in a romance/relationship, than there are among friends. Intimacy is about sharing things; sometimes best friends share more than any other group, oddly enough.

5.) Romance and family is a major life goal, but that doesn't reflect its true value, just it's importance to the person. Some value wealth, fame, and beauty above all else, yet those things aren't inherently the most important thing ever either. I'd honestly say that someone who never makes a friend is worse off than someone who never gets married.

6.) Love is yet another broad term. The Greek had 4 words for love, being passionate/romantic love, friendship/companionable love, worship-esque love, and love for that of a child or family member. Love is used in our own language in cases of, love thy self, loving our neighbor, love for our fellow man, loving our brother, and all things of the like. Love isn't exclusive to romance. Having love in your heart does not mean friendship is irrelevent, as in many cases love flows through friendship as well. Generosity can come from love, as can empathy, understanding, and kindness as a whole.  What I'm trying to say is... It's not all about romance and passion. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by SFyr

[Cloud Strife 928]

4)Intimancy is impossible with a friend.

5)Everyone is striving for romance and family, as an ultimate goal, and friendship is just a side and unnescessary thing.

 

Neither of these are true.

 

Friendship is incredibly important. You need friendship throughout your entire life - mainly because you need companionship throughout your entire life. No one likes being alone, for any extended period of time (no matter what some people may claim). Humans are a social species, and we need connections.

 

That's also not to mention the fact that not everyone cares much about romance, and not everyone wants to have a family. But everyone, and I mean everyone, wants friends.

 

 

As far as intimacy goes, of course it's possible with a friend.

 

 

The thing about friendship and romance is both labels are rather arbitrary, and only used to describe the type of relationship you have, not its importance, how strong it is, or what it means to you personally. For some people their definition of romance isn't someone you're incredibly close to but just someone you want to kiss. For some other people, a romantic partner isn't necessarily someone you want to kiss, but someone who's closer to you than anyone else and you trust with your life, and kissing is just an option on the table that you would feel uncomfortable doing with anyone else.

 

You define your relationships for yourself (as well as whomever is involved in them). No one else can be the judge of what they are and what they mean to you.

[Jeric 46,869]

Hi everyone. There's something I've been thinking on for a while, so I want to share my thoughts.

The main idea of the show is wrong. Remember when Twilight said, in the Season 4 finale? "Friendship is the most powerful magic of all" or something like that.

Well, this is wrong. Friendship isn't the most powerful thing. Romance is and I tell you why.

1)Romance bring people closer than friendship ever able.

2)Your friend won't live with you, won't make a family with you, won't make you a kid.

3)Friendship is a cheap surrogate of romance. We have 'friendzone' thing with a negative connotation, but we don't have 'romancezone' thing with any connotation. We're telling: "we're just friends", as in, nothing more, implying that romance is more than just that. Nobody says: "we're just lovers" or "we're just spouses".

4)Intimancy is impossible with a friend.

5)Everyone is striving for romance and family, as an ultimate goal, and friendship is just a side and unnescessary thing.

6)Show itself confirms my point. S04 E25, alicorn song. "When love finds its' place in every heart". Not friendship. Love. Princess of Love.

These are my main ideas. I can add new if I will remember them.

What do you think?

What do I think? You're wrong. I married my best friend back in 1999. Since then I've seen friends of mine divorce consistently. The one constant in the successfully marriages isn't romance ... it's friendship. Friendship makes romance so much stronger. I can't say it any more clear. I have experienced romance, I have experienced friendship. While love can blossom in both, I'll build my house on the stronger foundation of friendship, thank you.

 

Then again you are talking to a guy who legitimately loves his closest friends.

[Admiral Regulus 2,769]

What do I think? You're wrong. I married my best friend back in 1999. Since then I've seen friends of mine divorce consistently. The one constant in the successfully marriages isn't romance ... it's friendship. Friendship makes romance so much stronger. I can't say it any more clear. I have experienced romance, I have experienced friendship. While love can blossom in both, I'll build my house on the stronger foundation of friendship, thank you.

 

Then again you are talking to a guy who legitimately loves his closest friends.

 

 

Neither of these are true.

 

Friendship is incredibly important. You need friendship throughout your entire life - mainly because you need companionship throughout your entire life. No one likes being alone, for any extended period of time (no matter what some people may claim). Humans are a social species, and we need connections.

 

That's also not to mention the fact that not everyone cares much about romance, and not everyone wants to have a family. But everyone, and I mean everyone, wants friends.

 

 

As far as intimacy goes, of course it's possible with a friend.

 

 

The thing about friendship and romance is both labels are rather arbitrary, and only used to describe the type of relationship you have, not its importance, how strong it is, or what it means to you personally. For some people their definition of romance isn't someone you're incredibly close to but just someone you want to kiss. For some other people, a romantic partner isn't necessarily someone you want to kiss, but someone who's closer to you than anyone else and you trust with your life, and kissing is just an option on the table that you would feel uncomfortable doing with anyone else.

 

You define your relationships for yourself (as well as whomever is involved in them). No one else can be the judge of what they are and what they mean to you.

 

^ All of this.

 

Friendship and romance should not be mutually exclusive. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the themes of friendship in MLP, because these themes should form the basis of any relationship you have in your life, be it romantic, platonic, or any combination of the two thereof, or something completely different otherwise.

[arftbmrf 40]

At some point, all ponies from Mane 6 will get married and get kids, which will make them spend less time with each other, because family is more important than any friendship.

Besides, if friendship was = romance, people who have strong friendship wouldn't have looked for romance, because friendship is the legit alternative.

In case of mane 6, they would've just be together for all their lives, enjoying their friendship and not needing anything else. But it's inferior to romance.

You can see people who are married or have a lover, and don't need anyone else, but you can't see people who have friendship (no matter how strong) and don't need romance.

I married my best friend back in 1999.

Congratulations, you got out of the swamp called friendzone.

 

 

Neither of these are true.

 

Friendship is incredibly important. You need friendship throughout your entire life - mainly because you need companionship throughout your entire life. No one likes being alone, for any extended period of time (no matter what some people may claim). Humans are a social species, and we need connections.

 

That's also not to mention the fact that not everyone cares much about romance, and not everyone wants to have a family. But everyone, and I mean everyone, wants friends.

 

 

As far as intimacy goes, of course it's possible with a friend.

 

 

The thing about friendship and romance is both labels are rather arbitrary, and only used to describe the type of relationship you have, not its importance, how strong it is, or what it means to you personally. For some people their definition of romance isn't someone you're incredibly close to but just someone you want to kiss. For some other people, a romantic partner isn't necessarily someone you want to kiss, but someone who's closer to you than anyone else and you trust with your life, and kissing is just an option on the table that you would feel uncomfortable doing with anyone else.

 

You define your relationships for yourself (as well as whomever is involved in them). No one else can be the judge of what they are and what they mean to you.

By intimace I meant sex, if you didn't understand. No other thing could bring people closer than sex.

Edited October 16, 2015 by arftbmrf

[Marimo 555]

At some point, all ponies from Mane 6 will get married and get kids, which will make them spend less time with each other, because family is more important than any friendship.

Source on that? Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, Pinkie, and Applejack haven't even shown any romantic interest in anyone, much less the desire to have kids.

 

Meanwhile, Rarity has been unsuccessful in romance (with no sign of desiring to have kids), and the closest thing Twilight has to a crush is a guy in another world she doesn't visit unless some crisis goes on and she accidentally bumps into him.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Marimo

[Jeric 46,869]

At some point, all ponies from Mane 6 will get married and get kids, which will make them spend less time with each other, because family is more important than any friendship.

Besides, if friendship was = romance, people who have strong friendship wouldn't have looked for romance, because friendship is the legit alternative.

In case of mane 6, they would've just be together for all their lives, enjoying their friendship and not needing anything else. But it's inferior to romance.

You can see people who are married or have a lover, and don't need anyone else, but you can't see people who have friendship (no matter how strong) and don't need romance.

 

Congratulations, you got out of the swamp called friendzone.

 

 

By intimace I meant sex, if you didn't understand. No other thing could bring people closer than sex.

Intimacy is not sex, and trust me there are many versions of both.

 

Also friend zone does not equal friendship. You see, my wife started out hating me when we first met. Among my many flaws I never let people too close to me, was fairly abraisive, thought I was always right, and had abandonment issues.

 

Sound familiar?

[arftbmrf 40]

Intimacy is not sex, and trust me there are many versions of both.

 

Also friend zone does not equal friendship. You see, my wife started out hating me when we first met. Among my many flaws I never let people too close to me, was fairly abraisive, thought I was always right, and had abandonment issues.

 

Sound familiar?

You still didn't get it. If friendship = romance/marriage, then people who have really strong friendship won't need romance/marriage, because they already have everything, that romance/marriage could give, just in other form.

Source on that? Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, Pinkie, and Applejack haven't even shown any romantic interest in anyone, much less the desire to have kids.

 

Meanwhile, Rarity has been unsuccessful in romance (with no sign of desiring to have kids), and the closest thing Twilight has to a crush is a guy in another world she doesn't visit unless some crisis goes on and she accidentally bumps into him.

They are still young for that, then.

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 3,015]

5)Everyone is striving for romance and family, as an ultimate goal, and friendship is just a side and unnescessary thing.

I think asexuals would have a word with you on that. Also, there are people who marry but never start/develop their family beyond that.

[Marimo 555]

They are still young for that, then.

No, it just means they aren't interested. Period. That may change in time, but it can also stay the same. Some people can want romance and/or kids from a young age, and others go their whole lives without wanting to have kids or get in a relationship. You can't just say it's an age thing.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Marimo

[arftbmrf 40]

No, it just means they aren't interested. Period. That may change in time, but it can also stay the same. Some people can want romance and/or kids from a young age, and others go their whole lives without wanting to have kids or get in a relationship. You can't just say it's an age thing.

Then they will be old cat ladies without real connection, that's all. It's either family or crazy old cat lady.

 

I think asexuals would have a word with you on that. Also, there are people who marry but never start/develop their family beyond that.

But they still marry. If friendship was = romance, they wouldn't need to do that.

[Jeric 46,869]

You still didn't get it.

Kinda weird to be telling someone with a fulfilling relationship that lasted as long as it has that he didn't get it. Just saying. Either way, this is basically become a self indulgent topic with no interest in an actual interest in learning anything.

 

Typically ... that is called an editorial. Go ahead and make a blog rather that a topic that already skirts the line between an actually discussion of the show and a vendetta against life