cider float 2,539 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) Her mother is emotionally abusive and a horrid mare, and her father has got PLENTY of funds. So yeah, her mom deserved it and her dad will be fine. He's probably spent more than that playground equipment cost on large parties. Just have one less party a year, and bam, he's got his cash back. It is actually important to go to parties with her father's line of work. So if a father has plenty of funds he is required to spoil his children? That's not parenting. Also Diamond Tiara obviously got her talent from her mom. If it wasn't for her mom's strict parenting she wouldn't be this strong. So you're saying that imprinting on your child that she is superior to other ponies because she has more money is a good thing? That she can't speak to other children because they are "beneath her"? That putting down of other children for being "blank flanks" is appropriate behavior? She's a friggin' adult and she's calling these little girls that? That's like a 30 something year old lady from our world making fun of a preteen for not hitting puberty quickly. But I'm not going to argue with you Cider. You never consider alternate ways of thinking in the exchange of ideas and I think you like being a contrarian for the luls. You're saying I speak my mind just for fun. That my views are just jokes. Well they're not I would like you to know. Edited October 17, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadOBabe 19,014 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) You're saying I speak my mind just for fun. That my views are just jokes. Well it kind of sound like you are. Since 1) you always gloss over the points that other make to just keep repeating your own and 2) you're calling someone blatantly teaching their child to be cruel and "snobbish" (for lack of a better word) a good parent. And yeah, Diamond asked her Dad to donate to the school. He could have said no, but he didn't. It's his money and he decided to spend it that way. He's put DT in a rabbit suit before, so it's not like he's magically compelled to do EVERYTHING she asks. Stop ignoring the fact that DT's mom said all those horrendous things, and I'll take your argument a lot more seriously. Edited October 17, 2015 by ShadOBabe Check out my artwork any time: http://shadobabe.deviantart.com/ "OMG; You are such a troll. XD" - PathfinderCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 Well it kind of sound like you are. Since 1) you always gloss over the points that other make to just keep repeating your own and 2) you're calling someone blatantly teaching their child to be cruel and "snobbish" (for lack of a better word) a good parent. And yeah, Diamond asked her Dad to donate to the school. He could have said no, but he didn't. It's his money and he decided to spend it that way. He's put DT in a rabbit suit before, so it's not like he's magically compelled to do EVERYTHING she asks. Stop ignoring the fact that DT's mom said all those horrendous things, and I'll take your argument a lot more seriously. Cruel in the sense of how you feel but not the truth. It was just above reasonable parenting. Of course her dad would do it for her he's the reason she was spoiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pineapple Bloom 511 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Well Troubleshoes 'knew' he was doing something he's destined to do, but he thought it was being clumsy when it was actually being a part of the rodeo and making people laugh. Same with Diamon Tiara, I'm assuming. Maybe she got her cutie mark telling people what to do and 'knowing' she was doing something she was destined to, but she thought it was being bossy when it's actually leadership. "My past does not define me, because my past is not today." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetolebob18 728 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Getting back to Diamond Tiara. By everything said in the show, she might not know exactly what her Cutie Mark means but she HAS TO know when she got it & have at least a rough idea of what it means. IMO, she was lying when she said she didn't know (possibly she considers it embarrassing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Frost 271 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 It's called bad writing. What she really learned was that she learned how to make her life easier using her talent. It is not bad writings, its brilliant writing. You just do not understand it, just like she did. You do not have to understand every single faucet of your cutie mark talent in order to actually get it. Get it? Diamond Tiara said flat out that her special talent was getting anypony to do what she wanted. But that is a REAL hoofing Farcry from, OH! Well I can get whatever I want out of life and everypony has to do what I say because making others do stuff for me is my talent! and actually knowing HOW to use that ability. What she did not understand about her cutie mark was not WHAT it was, but HOW to properly use it in a way that would define her as a young pony so that she could be the pony she wanted to be! She was brought up to use it in that bratty snobbish and bullish way in order to forcably assert herself as dominant over others her mother told her that she was superior too and should never converse with and what the CMC taught her was that there was a better way and she could change and see the light of her cutie mark. That light of her cutie mark was using her ability to get other ponies to do what she wants in a way that helps everypony and make her a better pony in turn and not use it the way she had before. It is not the CONTENT of her cutie mark that she didn't know, it was the USE of it that she learned and when she came to the realization of how to use it in the right way, she saw the true light of her cutie mark and it was all thanks to the cmc. You ponies understand now? It's called bad writing. What she really learned was that she learned how to make her life easier using her talent. It is not bad writings, its brilliant writing. You just do not understand it, just like she did. You do not have to understand every single faucet of your cutie mark talent in order to actually get it. Get it? Diamond Tiara said flat out that her special talent was getting anypony to do what she wanted. But that is a REAL hoofing Farcry from, OH! Well I can get whatever I want out of life and everypony has to do what I say because making others do stuff for me is my talent! and actually knowing HOW to use that ability. What she did not understand about her cutie mark was not WHAT it was, but HOW to properly use it in a way that would define her as a young pony so that she could be the pony she wanted to be! She was brought up to use it in that bratty snobbish and bullish way in order to forcably assert herself as dominant over others her mother told her that she was superior too and should never converse with and what the CMC taught her was that there was a better way and she could change and see the light of her cutie mark. That light of her cutie mark was using her ability to get other ponies to do what she wants in a way that helps everypony and make her a better pony in turn and not use it the way she had before. It is not the CONTENT of her cutie mark that she didn't know, it was the USE of it that she learned and when she came to the realization of how to use it in the right way, she saw the true light of her cutie mark and it was all thanks to the cmc. You ponies understand now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 (edited) It is not bad writings, its brilliant writing. You just do not understand it, just like she did. You do not have to understand every single faucet of your cutie mark talent in order to actually get it. Get it? Diamond Tiara said flat out that her special talent was getting anypony to do what she wanted. But that is a REAL hoofing Farcry from, OH! Well I can get whatever I want out of life and everypony has to do what I say because making others do stuff for me is my talent! and actually knowing HOW to use that ability. What she did not understand about her cutie mark was not WHAT it was, but HOW to properly use it in a way that would define her as a young pony so that she could be the pony she wanted to be! She was brought up to use it in that bratty snobbish and bullish way in order to forcably assert herself as dominant over others her mother told her that she was superior too and should never converse with and what the CMC taught her was that there was a better way and she could change and see the light of her cutie mark. That light of her cutie mark was using her ability to get other ponies to do what she wants in a way that helps everypony and make her a better pony in turn and not use it the way she had before. It is not the CONTENT of her cutie mark that she didn't know, it was the USE of it that she learned and when she came to the realization of how to use it in the right way, she saw the true light of her cutie mark and it was all thanks to the cmc. You ponies understand now? It is not bad writings, its brilliant writing. You just do not understand it, just like she did. You do not have to understand every single faucet of your cutie mark talent in order to actually get it. Get it? Diamond Tiara said flat out that her special talent was getting anypony to do what she wanted. But that is a REAL hoofing Farcry from, OH! Well I can get whatever I want out of life and everypony has to do what I say because making others do stuff for me is my talent! and actually knowing HOW to use that ability. What she did not understand about her cutie mark was not WHAT it was, but HOW to properly use it in a way that would define her as a young pony so that she could be the pony she wanted to be! She was brought up to use it in that bratty snobbish and bullish way in order to forcably assert herself as dominant over others her mother told her that she was superior too and should never converse with and what the CMC taught her was that there was a better way and she could change and see the light of her cutie mark. That light of her cutie mark was using her ability to get other ponies to do what she wants in a way that helps everypony and make her a better pony in turn and not use it the way she had before. It is not the CONTENT of her cutie mark that she didn't know, it was the USE of it that she learned and when she came to the realization of how to use it in the right way, she saw the true light of her cutie mark and it was all thanks to the cmc. You ponies understand now? Her talent was getting ponies to do what she wanted. She hasn't changed from being a bratty and spoiled brat. She just projected that side of her to her mother who wasn't under her control before. Also the writers were being inconsistent to how a cutie mark was like. In the beginning cutie marks only appear when ponies knew what they wanted to do but now they changed the rules. That is bad writing. Edited October 18, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed 741 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Her talent meant she was a natural leader, but untill recently she's been using it the wrong way. Its a matter of perception. @@cider float, so, if i get this right, you think its ok for someone who is rich to act snobbish and use PREJUDICIAL SLURS? Because from where I am sitting its like you are saying it's ok for a rich white woman to tell her daughter its ok to call POC the N word.Speaking of which, I thought only bratty kids used the term "blank flank". Now apparently a few adults do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbaTross 1,586 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said a million times better. I think it is possible to come across one's destiny without fully understanding it, or only understanding it on a surface level and not any meaning beyond that. Diamond Tiara knew she has always been good at leadership. What she didn't know is how she wanted to use that skill in a way that meant something to her, outside of pleasing her parents. This episode actually opens up more questions on how cutie marks work and why, but I think the above applies to Diamond Tiara's situation at least. I'm sure as ponies are individuals, so too are the applications of cutie marks in terms of not only one's destiny, but also how they come across it and to what extent it's self-explanatory to them, as well as where they are uncertain. So, we can't say with any certainty how this phenomenon applies to everypony, but Diamond Tiara's case does appear to make sense. She obviously still has room to grow and figure out just how exactly to use her talent for the benefit of other ponies, but at least she has found the right track for her satisfaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Frost 271 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 (edited) Her talent was getting ponies to do what she wanted. She hasn't changed from being a bratty and spoiled brat. She just projected that side of her to her mother who wasn't under her control before. Also the writers were being inconsistent to how a cutie mark was like. In the beginning cutie marks only appear when ponies knew what they wanted to do but now they changed the rules. That is bad writing. No, it is NOT bad writing. Again you clearly have no idea the difference between the use of something and the nature of something. She was being a spoiled bratty child because of her parents and her mother most of all. She didn't know HOW to use her cutie mark. THAT was what the CMC taught her. She knew full enough WHAT her cutie mark was. But there is a huge difference between knowing what something is and how to actually use it to gain the most benefit from it! Edited October 18, 2015 by Twilight Frost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggg-2 3,553 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 She understood it. Crusaders of the Lost Mark (which by the way, that title reference makes no sense given the plot. now if Starlight were involved, then it would make sense) was just a writing trainwreck. I mean, Diamond Tiara's behavior being because of a mother that was completely non-existent until now? Do the writers know how bad a cliche that is? Don't be a nerd. Join the herd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlikeable Pony 2,699 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 She understood it; her talent is getting others to do what she says. She was doing EXACTLY that the entire series.She was just doing it in an immoral way that left her less happy than being nice to people. Its a generic talent so there's lots of ways to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon 4,557 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 I mean, Diamond Tiara's behavior being because of a mother that was completely non-existent until now? Do the writers know how bad a cliche that is? You'd rather have them paint her as a soulless 1-dimensional bully that's doing it just for the sake of being evil? That's a far more tired trend in animation than this will ever be. I wish more shows would take the time to explain why a character behaves the way they do instead of just painting people as pure evil. The reason we didn't see this side of her until now is because that's not realistic. How often do you see someone bully a person, and then cry on their shoulder? We saw Diamond Tiara from the perspective of the CMC, who for a long time saw her as a 1-dimensional bully for the sake of being a bully. But when they took the time to understand why she was the way she was, the show was able to paint her in a more sympathetic light to let us understand the reason behind those behaviors. Let me explain this another way... back when my brother was in 8th grade, he was a really skinny, nerdy kid who got picked on pretty bad. One person was a relentless bully to him, and a number of other people. It got to one point that there was an argument in the middle of class about having to sit next to him because he was so cruel to everybody. The teacher asked if anybody in the class would let him sit by them, and my brother raised his hand. The teacher was so shocked that she asked him in private why he raised his hand when that kid bullied him worse than anybody else in the school, and he replied because people deserve to be forgiven. The two of them ended up becoming best friends. It can seem like a person is irredeemable, but often when you show them a bit of kindness, they'll open up a bit and you'll realize that there's more to them than that. Having DT regularly roaming the streets of Ponyville weeping wouldn't have made her story believable. We would have just wondered why the CMC were so cruel as to not be forgiving. In order to make us sympathize with both the CMC and DT, they had to show her in the eyes of the CMC from when she was being a bully to when she was redeemed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeric 46,867 October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 She understood it. Crusaders of the Lost Mark (which by the way, that title reference makes no sense given the plot. now if Starlight were involved, then it would make sense) was just a writing trainwreck. I mean, Diamond Tiara's behavior being because of a mother that was completely non-existent until now? Do the writers know how bad a cliche that is? Dialog and lyrics would suggest that she doesn't completely understand the purpose of it all. She knew her talent ... but not her destiny. I mean, my personal talent is relationship building. I went into business. What if I should have used that talent for ... marriage counseling? That is what makes this episode so juicy. DT know her talent was in getting ponies to do what she wanted, but she still didn't know who she was. A cutie mark isn't a magic bullet for everyone. I LOVE IT, The lost mark title could refer to Diamond Tiara being 'lost' due to not understanding her own mark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLPFanatic34 3,235 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Her talent meant she was a natural leader, but untill recently she's been using it the wrong way. Its a matter of perception. @@cider float, so, if i get this right, you think its ok for someone who is rich to act snobbish and use PREJUDICIAL SLURS? Because from where I am sitting its like you are saying it's ok for a rich white woman to tell her daughter its ok to call POC the N word. Speaking of which, I thought only bratty kids used the term "blank flank". Now apparently a few adults do too. Yep she is a natural leader, but she was going about it the wrong way. Edited October 19, 2015 by MLPFanatic34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RarityFan01 2,444 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Diamond Tiara: OMG! Mom! Leave me alone! Spoiled Rich: OK, dear. *cutie mark appears* Diamond Tiara: I got my cutie mark because I told my mom what to do? But it looks like my tiara? And it's my name! What? Wait, I GOT MY CUTIE MARK! DAD! I DEMAND A CUTECENERA NOW! Filthy Rich: You can have it any way you want! Diamond Tiara: Ooh! Maybe my special talent is getting other ponies to do what I want! But why a tiara? (The OOC moments of this character is due to the lack of planning when making this.) Rarity Fan Club My Ponysona My Drawing of Rarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Her talent meant she was a natural leader, but untill recently she's been using it the wrong way. Its a matter of perception. @@cider float, so, if i get this right, you think its ok for someone who is rich to act snobbish and use PREJUDICIAL SLURS? Because from where I am sitting its like you are saying it's ok for a rich white woman to tell her daughter its ok to call POC the N word. Speaking of which, I thought only bratty kids used the term "blank flank". Now apparently a few adults do too. Ummm nowhere in the episode did it say she was a natural leader her talent was merely getting others to do things for her which is what most people would say being manipulative regardless of what you think. No clue what POC is and you seem to have something against white women in particular since they have nothing to do with this scenario. Edited October 19, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed 741 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Ummm nowhere in the episode did it say she was a natural leader her talent was merely getting others to do things for her which is what most people would say being manipulative regardless of what you think. No clue what POC is and you seem to have something against white women in particular since they have nothing to do with this scenario. Person. Of. Colour. Also, um, yeah, I AM A WHITE WOMAN! My POINT was that raising a kid to be snooty and say prejudicial things is NOT GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fawkes The Phoenix 737 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 "Obviosuly I've known since I got my cutie mark that my talent is getting other ponies to do what I want" She did understand her talent, just not how to use it properly. Equestria's best unicorns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider float 2,539 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Person. Of. Colour. Also, um, yeah, I AM A WHITE WOMAN! My POINT was that raising a kid to be snooty and say prejudicial things is NOT GOOD! She wasn't raising her to be snooty or telling her to say prejudicial things she was raising her to stand high. Prejudice? Sure blank flanks is a mean word but it's only as much of a mean word as say calling someone a kid that didn't hit puberty yet, because that is what the CMC was. I mean nobody seems to defend others that are called juvenile, child, or being adolescent. Probably because they were going to get their cutie marks eventually and grow up anyway. Edited October 19, 2015 by cider float Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenSpark 47 October 19, 2015 Author Share October 19, 2015 "Obviosuly I've known since I got my cutie mark that my talent is getting other ponies to do what I want" She did understand her talent, just not how to use it properly. At the club house she said the cmc are lucky to explore who they are before they get stuck with something they don't understand and she looks at her cutie mark, she knew what the cutie mark was about but didn't understand how to use it, Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge, she had the knowledge but not the imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed 741 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 She wasn't raising her to be snooty or telling her to say prejudicial things she was raising her to stand high. Prejudice? Sure blank flanks is a mean word but it's only as much of a mean word as say calling someone a kid that didn't hit puberty yet, because that is what the CMC was. I mean nobody seems to defend others that are called juvenile, child, or being adolescent. Probably because they were going to get their cutie marks eventually and grow up anyway. An adult is telling a child to basically make fun of children who are having a "late growth spurt", something THEY CANT CONTROL. HOW IS THAT OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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