Most sinister Villain so far? (and then who's the best iyo)

[Silver Stream. 708]

In my opinion it'd be Chrysalis. Not only that, but I think she was the most powerful villain. Using just the love from Shining Armor she was able to defeat Celestia, even the Elements wouldn't be able to defeat her if she had all the love of every pony in Equestria. She'd be basically unstoppable.  

 

I agree Chrysalis had a pretty neat master plan. To be honest,...I nearly ranked her alongside Tirek. Tirek and Chrysalis were the only two real villains that reached their goal in the first place. True....both accomplishments were short-lived, but at the same time, they actually completed their evil task. One could argue that Trixie should be included in this category since she managed to prove she was top magical pony and kick Twilight out, but in my opinion, TRixie isn't a villain. 

 

The only reason I decided against ranking Chrysalis that high is because of the motive behind her actions: to feed her loyal subjects so they wouldn't starve. Any real sinister villain would ignore their responsibilities and do what they want only for a true sinister motive. She even saw it proper to explain her actions by announcing "yo no hard feelings, we just need your f*cking love so my peoples won't starve...it's only business" 

 

In Chrysalis situation, it's more of an unfortunate circumstance. Had their food been something else, she wouldn't have bothered to do what she did in Canterlot in the first place. 

 

Personally, Sombra is the most sinister villain in the show so far. He does have the makings of a great villain and his true power and personality were never fully explored in the show, he has/had a great potential.I really wish we saw more of him.

 

Agreed. He was the only villain who outsmarted Twilight without lifting a hoof. Sure...people will point out Discord managed to do that as well and break the mane 6 up by screwing with their minds at a very personal and emotional level (which is one of the worst things anybody can do) but let's not forget, Discord knew about the mane 6 and was up to date on events. 

 

Sombra....didn't. All of his traps and plots were set up thousands of years ago. Even with all the new powerful ponies, his methods were super effective. His magic was so powerful, that he managed to have mentally trapped all of the Crystal Ponies for thousands of years. He instilled fear in everyone. Fear...as any would agree...is the greatest weapon to anyone. Had spike not accompanied Twilight, they would have lost miserably. Sure, the mane 6 could defeat him with the elements of harmony, but isn't it amusing how NO ONE wanted to take the chance? As if they were sure it was possible the elements wouldn't work because he's that much of a threat. His only downfall when it comes to him being my vote is how all the hype around him remains: a hype. There was nothing to actually prove our guesses in how great he is. At the end...he sucked. Only making dark crystals grow everywhere and doing the evil laugh. I was disappointed.

 

I voted for Tirek. To me, he had a really great presence, both when he was weak, and when he gained strength later on. When he was weak, he was sly and manipulative, and when he gained strength, he gave off a sense that he was a force of nature. And the best part is, the episode slowly builds up to this, making it seem natural.

 

Ohhhh you know that is a great way to see it. I do see what you mean...his presence was sinister only when he was at his weakest point. The only flaw is how that changed dramatically once he gained power. I understand that when you have that much power, there is no reason to uphold to that sly sinister getup, but it would have been interesting to see him remain that way. A sinister, sly, yet powerful ruler would have been better and actually....creative. How I see it, he went from awesome evil lord hungry for power to a MAJOR cliche with a simple design that lost my appreciation for him as character. That's what rubs me the wrong way, he didn't have any character I'm aware Sombra didn't either, but Sombra serves as more of  dark force where Tirek did not. 

 

 

 

So yeah, Starlight still has my vote UNTIL the finale. Hopefully the writers execute her well enough. If not, then I would have to give my vote over to The Sirens for reasons I'll explain later. 

[Foliha 395]

Best villain?  Discord!  Though he's not terribly villainous anymore.

[El Duderino 879]

Tirek and Sombra seem to have the most votes so far. I chose Sombra, but almost Tirek. I think that the other villains either are not as interesting and evil as them, or they have some sort of redeeming factor that removes from the sinister element. But, that's just like, my opinion, man.

[KatonRyu 1,033]

Starlight for me, because the things she did in her little village are pretty much the way actual dictatorships brainwash their subjects. I've yet to see the Season final of course, but so far she wins hooves down.

[Arrowstormen 62]

Starlight for me, because the things she did in her little village are pretty much the way actual dictatorships brainwash their subjects. I've yet to see the Season final of course, but so far she wins hooves down.

She didn't really have an intend of harm though. 

[JonasDarkmane 19,790]

It is going to be King Sombra for me (both most sinister and best villain IMO). 

[KatonRyu 1,033]

She didn't really have an intend of harm though. 

Depends on how you look at it, I think. Forcefully suppressing ponies' special talents to promote equality while retaining your own powers and then ruling over them seems pretty harmful to me, especially since she seemed to want to spread out to all of Equestria.

[Arrowstormen 62]

Depends on how you look at it, I think. Forcefully suppressing ponies' special talents to promote equality while retaining your own powers and then ruling over them seems pretty harmful to me, especially since she seemed to want to spread out to all of Equestria.

I think she genuinely believed what she was doing was the right thing to create harmony. Interested to see how she's going to screw with time in the finale though (based on what Twilight said at the end of Friendship Games).  

[KatonRyu 1,033]

I think she genuinely believed what she was doing was the right thing to create harmony. Interested to see how she's going to screw with time in the finale though (based on what Twilight said at the end of Friendship Games).  

 

It's exactly because she believes she's doing the right thing that she's so scary. I can see her point, but it's obvious her way is not the right one. I'm very interested to see how the final will play out and if she'll realize the error of her ways.

[Arrowstormen 62]

It's exactly because she believes she's doing the right thing that she's so scary. I can see her point, but it's obvious her way is not the right one. I'm very interested to see how the final will play out and if she'll realize the error of her ways.

She certainly has a something-something quality to her, although going by the dictionary definition of sinister (having an evil appearance : looking likely to cause something bad, harmful, or dangerous to happen), I don't think it's the right word to describe her. 

[KatonRyu 1,033]

She certainly has a something-something quality to her, although going by the dictionary definition of sinister (having an evil appearance : looking likely to cause something bad, harmful, or dangerous to happen), I don't think it's the right word to describe her. 

 

To me, 'sinister' is not always about outward appearances. The uncanny valley effect produced by the Stepford smiles of everypony in the town gave me the creeps. Compound this with the brainwashing loop on the speakers and you'd get an effect I'd certainly label as sinister.

 

Going by outward appearances only, then no, she wouldn't really qualify. For me she's only in this spot because of the implications of what she's doing and the feeling she gives me.

[Arrowstormen 62]

To me, 'sinister' is not always about outward appearances. The uncanny valley effect produced by the Stepford smiles of everypony in the town gave me the creeps. Compound this with the brainwashing loop on the speakers and you'd get an effect I'd certainly label as sinister.

 

Going by outward appearances only, then no, she wouldn't really qualify. For me she's only in this spot because of the implications of what she's doing and the feeling she gives me.

Wouldn't creepy or scary then not be the proper labels?

[CheeryFox 23,823]

Trixie, in her final form. Don't laugh.   

 

Yes, her. 

[KatonRyu 1,033]

Wouldn't creepy or scary then not be the proper labels?

 

I'm going by the Google "define sinister" explanation here, being "giving the impression that something harmful or evil is happening or will happen", which in my opinion doesn't refer solely to sight alone, so I'm still going with sinister  

 

But, yes, creepy certainly does apply to her as wellXD

 

[Silver Stream. 708]

She didn't really have an intend of harm though.

 

We don't know that. And I agree, sinister doesn't have to be based on outer appearances, otherwise, Tirek wouldn't be in the lead. His appewrence isn't very scary at all....his design is too simple that even the vampire bats looked scarier than him.

 

Starlight is stealing cutiemarks: the most important thing to any pony of equstria and the key to their talents and purpose in life. Without them....what is the use of magic itself? You end up losing yourself...literally. Tirek stole magic but even he couldn't pull off brainwashing every pony to believe what he is doing is right....they still had the mental strength to oppose him.

 

There is nothing more evil than to force your religious beliefs and immoral quests on others while also making them believe what you're doing is right.

 

And the thing is? She didn't need magic to wrap them around her thumb--er---hoof. The Sirens did....Discord did...Sombra even relied on his magic to meddle with the minds of his victims.

 

All Starlight needed was her silvertongue. She only used her magic to do the deed, but she didn't need magic to make them accept it. What's sinister about her is how NORMAL she looks if you want to go about outer appearances.

 

Think about it....in reality what's scarrier to you? Having knowledge that your next door neighbor who seems like the perfect citizen is really some serial killer...or some super creepy looking guy that's nearby and you know right away something is up?

 

Personally for me, it's the former. Starlight's appearance screams "I'M NOT SO BAD" while at the same time, there's no denying the power she has over the community.

 

The fact that she truly believes what she is doing is right is scary in itself. It'd disgusting to know a person would commit crimes like that but have no conscience in believing it's wrong. OOORRR simply she does have a conscience but it's a little confused.

 

 

Perhaps in the finale she will realize her mistakes and reform? We'll learn more until then...but so far...based on what I've seen, she could be the most sinister villain. The aura around her and the village can cover that.

 

Every villain so far has been some powerful creature from another world, or something of the sort EXCEPT her. So why is the normal unicorn who happens to have the power to take away cutie marks has both a premiere and a finale? How come her actions will lead to something more disatrious than what the others have done? Well...we will find out.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[Arrowstormen 62]

Think about it....in reality what's scarrier to you? Having knowledge that your next door neighbor who seems like the perfect citizen is really some serial killer...or some super creepy looking guy that's nearby and you know right away something is up?

 

Sinister and scary isn't the same thing at all. 

[Silver Stream. 708]

Sinister and scary isn't the same thing at all.

 

I didn't even imply that. I'm implying sinister looks may not be all that it's cracked up to be. The most obvious sinister guy still wouldnt be the scariest DEPENDING on a person's preference.

 

You seem to really be hanging on the definition, but honestly, is your definition the only one out there? No:

 

sinister

[sin-uh-ster]

adjective

1.

threatening or portending evil, harm, or trouble; ominous:

a sinister remark.

2.

bad, evil, base, or wicked; fell:

his sinister purposes.

 

 

So sinister does not only cover appearences. It's fair to keep an open mind when it comes to other people's views on a certain topic and not imply that the reasons for their choice aren't justifiable based on a certain term

Edited October 19, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[Arrowstormen 62]

I didn't even imply that. I'm implying sinister looks may not be all that it's cracked up to be. The most obvious sinister guy still wouldnt be the scariest DEPENDING on a person's preference.

 

You seem to really be hanging on the definition, but honestly, is your definition the only one out there? No:

 

sinister

[sin-uh-ster]

adjective

1.

threatening or portending evil, harm, or trouble; ominous:

a sinister remark.

2.

bad, evil, base, or wicked; fell:

his sinister purposes.

 

 

So sinister does not only cover appearences.

I know, which is why I emphasize intent. And I argue that Starlight does not have truly evil intent. Evil is consciously causing others harm. 

Edited October 19, 2015 by Arrowstormen

[Silver Stream. 708]

I know, which is why I emphasize intent. And I argue that Starlight does not have truly evil intent. Evil is consciously causing others harm.

 

I understand. That's your opinion, but what you see as a harmless action on her part, may be the worst thing to another. Sure, no one is getting their head chopped off, but I wouldn't expect that on a show like this.

 

I, and from what I've read, a few others....might consider brainwashing a harmful thing. In fact, in reality it leads to harmful things. The possibilities just in the show are endless when it comes to what Starlight is doing.

 

Sinister is also known to be wicked or evil if you use it right....so people may see it as wicked like I do. Evil even.

 

I am not even sure what you mean by harm because harm can come in many forms whether it's emotional, mental, or physical. We aren't even sure WHAT her intent is yet.

 

At this point, I am not going to discuss further on the topic about what exactly sinister means, because in truth, it could mean a few things in different ways and has more definitions than we can count but all similar in some ways. I don't really see it as something that's worth to argue over, but I can understand the reason why you're leaning on the subject heavily. ANd you do make a few good pointa...im not denying that. Just try to keep an open mind

 

I personally can't wait till the finale. My thoughts on Starlight can either get better, or worse at this point. It all depeeends on what Hasbros has to offer

Edited October 19, 2015 by Princess Sunset

[One-Punch Man 316]

Tirek just had such a creepy ability...sucking the life force away from the ponies, and even practically defeating Discord. Tirek just went on a blind rampage purely out of revenge, and managed to take down just about every pony on that whim alone. 

[Silver Stream. 708]

Tirek just had such a creepy ability...sucking the life force away from the ponies, and even practically defeating Discord. Tirek just went on a blind rampage purely out of revenge, and managed to take down just about every pony on that whim alone.

 

The only thing I even like about Tirek was how he was able to manipulate Discord into helping him grow powerful.

 

Discord....the spirit of chaos and all things bad and misleading...was tricked. He is the master of manipulation and corrupted the mane 6 in style. Pretty impressive that Tirek was the one to give him the taste of his own medicine.

[Steel Accord 6,660]

Well it's sort of a chart between three villains. The chart in question being "sinister" on one end and "biggest threat (best)" on the other.

 

If I were to say who was the most sinister, Sombra takes that crown easily. He subjugated the crystal ponies and saw them as nothing more than slaves. Not to mention his treatment of them was so cruel that even if he didn't magically suppress their memories, they don't want to remember! He was also quite intelligent, the only thing that could prevent his return and destroy him was hidden and had a dozen of enchanted wards and illusions.

 

Tirek I think was the "best" villain in that he posed the biggest threat. True Nightmare Moon would have ended all life on the planet had she won but it was clear for the most part that she wasn't going to succeed. Tirek, on the other hand, not only was going to leave everypony in Equestria too weak to function and relieved of basically their souls, their truly was a chance that he would have won for a long while.

 

Starlight Glimmer sits squarely in between these two. I truly think her plan is the most evil but I know myself well enough to know that's because I personally believe the individual to be sacrosanct. That makes her more of a personal nemesis than how I would rank her among villains in general, but she is up there regardless.

[Silver Stream. 708]

Well it's sort of a chart between three villains. The chart in question being "sinister" on one end and "biggest threat (best)" on the other.

 

If I were to say who was the most sinister, Sombra takes that crown easily. He subjugated the crystal ponies and saw them as nothing more than slaves. Not to mention his treatment of them was so cruel that even if he didn't magically suppress their memories, they don't want to remember! He was also quite intelligent, the only thing that could prevent his return and destroy him was hidden and had a dozen of enchanted wards and illusions.

 

Tirek I think was the "best" villain in that he posed the biggest threat. True Nightmare Moon would have ended all life on the planet had she won but it was clear for the most part that she wasn't going to succeed. Tirek, on the other hand, not only was going to leave everypony in Equestria too weak to function and relieved of basically their souls, their truly was a chance that he would have won for a long while.

 

Starlight Glimmer sits squarely in between these two. I truly think her plan is the most evil but I know myself well enough to know that's because I personally believe the individual to be sacrosanct. That makes her more of a personal nemesis than how I would rank her among villains in general, but she is up there regardless.

 

In all honesty, Sombra should've stayed a smokey evil force throughout the two episodes. That would've done him more justice than him getting his full form and.....um....not living up to the hype he was given the whole time. That was my only issue. Ahhhh....I might even rank him higher than Tirek. And I agree...starlight does settle in-between those two

[Steel Accord 6,660]

In all honesty, Sombra should've stayed a smokey evil force throughout the two episodes. That would've done him more justice than him getting his full form and.....um....not living up to the hype he was given the whole time. That was my only issue. Ahhhh....I might even rank him higher than Tirek. And I agree...starlight does settle in-between those two

 

Ehh I didn't mind that. I mean, watch the episodes again, we SEE what Sombra looks like before they even get to the empire. The flashback hologram reveals him fully, and his head was made clear in it's smoky form. Sombra's actual appearance was not really obfuscated. However, he still remained out of action for much of the episode and hears the reason I call him the most sinister, he STILL almost won!

 

The guy is stuck outside for the majority of the time, but his mind games and traps were so masterfully planted, his dominance over his former slaves' minds so complete, that his presence and menace is never lost.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Steel Accord

[Silver Stream. 708]

Ehh I didn't mind that. I mean, watch the episodes again, we SEE what Sombra looks like before they even get to the empire. The flashback hologram reveals him fully, and his head was made clear in it's smoky form. Sombra's actual appearance was not really obfuscated. However, he still remained out of action for much of the episode and hears the reason I call him the most sinister, he STILL almost won!

 

The guy is stuck outside for the majority of the time, but his mind games and traps were so masterfully planted, his dominance over his former slaves' minds so complete, that his presence and menace is never lost.

 

I mentioned this earlier in the thread and I completely agree. What I mean is, it seems once he's in the Crystal Empire...I don't know I expected more. He really is a mastermind. In a way, he outsmarted Twilight easily. He is the embodiment of Fear. Nuff said