I sorta like Obama

[Fluttere 71]

I mean sure he may be used by the establishment and can be a tad terrible on some points and yes there are some issues like wars which i hate. However atleast he doesnt seem to advocate war. So atleast i like that climate better. I am not sure if Clinton will stop this but i think Bernie bots are the worst on the internet because of their tempered desperation and just savage way of behavior. And Trump i have a feeling would be good but he seems somewhat incompetent i mean when he states "Belgium is a great city???" Unless he ment this but i dunno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium,_Wisconsin

 

Just kinda wondering your views?

Edited June 17, 2016 by Fluttere

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 42,202]

I am not hugely into politics, so I am not entirely aware of all the things Obama has done, good or bad. Honestly though, I really don't think he has ever been terrible. Has he made mistakes? Definitely, but considering what he walked into after George Bush, I'd say he has handled it fairly well. I mean, if I recall, weren't we in the middle of one of the worst recessions in decades when he took office? That would be difficult to deal on its own, let alone any other problems. To me, Obama certainly has done world's better than what Clinton or Trump will ever do.

[Castle Bleck 19,440]

The problem is, he also doesn't seem to advocate basic national security, either.

 

Not to mention how, while not actually starting the national debt, he's definitely allowed it to at least triple.

[Shanks 10,816]

Obama has dethroned Bush as the worst president in American history and that is really saying something. He has taken nearly everything Bush has done with all the pointless wars, irresponsible deficit spending, 1st,4th,5th and 6th amendment violations and has expanded them. He promised to be different when he ran, but except for maybe a few issues there is no meaningful difference between him and Bush and there will likely be no meaningful difference with his successor as well whether that be Hilary or Trump.

[Twiggy 2,967]

 

 

and there will likely be no meaningful difference with his successor as well whether that be Hilary or Trump.

On the point of Hillary I agree, but Trump seems quite a bit less hawkish than Hillary, Obama, and Bush. He does want to take out ISIS, but he wants to do it in a smarter way. He says that he would work with Russia to defeat ISIS and stabilize the country, rather than oust Assad and set up a democracy in a country that has no real interest in being a democracy.

[gamecubeguy214 2,513]

I do not follow politics. At all. All I really know is that Donald Trump is bad. I'm not gonna hate you for liking Obama, that's all I have to say.

[Guest90210 3,569]

Obama has earned a lot of my respect in recent years. He's gone through great strides to improve this country's standing, and to help the everyday American succeed.

 

He was the first president to visit Hiroshima since the WWII attacks. His speech was groundbreaking and inspiring,

 

 

The economy has grown with Obama in office, helping us recover from the hole the disastrous Bush presidency left us in. Focus on climate change has improved. Marijuana legalization has begun to take shape in several states. LGBT rights have improved significantly including gays obtaining the right to marry. Obama is pushing for common sense gun laws to try and reduce the gun violence epidemic in America.

 

Unfortunately, he hasn't been good for certain liberties such as privacy concerns (NSA, transparency, etc), and the national debt is expanding, which I hope the next president doesn't just ignore. But overall, Obama has been a respectable president, who's shown compassion and dignity throughout his two terms.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Rivendare

[Shanks 10,816]

He was the first president to visit Hiroshima since the WWII attacks.

True, and that is a good thing but need I remind everyone that Nixon established US relations with China which was also a good thing yet he still a terrible president.

 

 

The economy has grown with Obama in office, helping us recover from the hole the disastrous Bush presidency left us in.

How? Everything keeps getting worse and worse, the deficit continues to increase, unemployment dosen't seem to get much better and workers and taxpayers are getting screwed more than ever.

 

 

Marijuana legalization has begun to take shape in several states.

Which is also a good thing, but one that Obama had pretty much nothing to do with. No, this is case of the states asserting the 10th amendment which I am very pleased to see.

 

 

LGBT rights have improved significantly including gays obtaining the right to marry

Gay marriage being legal is a step in the right direction but forcing business to cater gay weddings and this transgender bathroom bullshit are both significant steps backward and are leading to backlashes that could undo much of the progress that has been made. Marriage should really not even be a government issue, but I know it will take a while before people accept that and of course freedom of association must be respected.

 

 

Obama is pushing for common sense gun laws to try and reduce the gun violence epidemic in America.

Obama and many of the other anti gun politicians are lying pieces of shit that are trying to tell us they aren't trying to take away our guns and only want regulations but the regulations are meants as a totalitarian tip toe with the eventual goal being a total gun ban. Even putting that aside though them advocating this with all the warmongering and America still being the worlds largest arms dealer including arms dealer for terrorists is some serious hypocrisy. If they stopped doing that and were more honest about their intentions than I could at least say that though they are wrong. but well intentioned.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Shanks

[El Duderino 880]

Obama is definitely not the worst, or best president we've had. He's OK. He did some good stuff (as well as a few not so good things depending on your political views), but he wasn't necessarily doing the stuff I think he needed to be doing. I like him, but I don't love him.

 

Also, you don't have to agree with his politics, but you have to admit he's one of the coolest presidents we've had.

[Guest90210 3,569]

How? Everything keeps getting worse and worse, the deficit continues to increase, unemployment dosen't seem to get much better and workers and taxpayers are getting screwed more than ever.

 

Hasn't the unemployment rate gone down? Along with jobs opening up and full time employment increasing?

 

Obama and many of the other anti gun politicians are lying pieces of shit that are trying to tell us they aren't trying to take away our guns and only want regulations but the regulations are meants as a totalitarian tip toe with the eventual goal being a total gun ban. Even putting that aside though them advocating this with all the warmongering and America still being the worlds largest arms dealer including arms dealer for terrorists is some serious hypocrisy. If they stopped doing that and were more honest about their intentions than I could at least say that though they are wrong. but well intentioned.

 

I disagree that the end-goal is a complete gun ban. The NRA capitalizes on mass shootings and the paranoia that surrounds them by perpetrating the myth that a complete gun-grab is imminent. Gun sales increase after mass shootings partially due to the NRA's and the GOP's perpetuating of the idea. It's a deliberate scheme to sell more guns. Fear sells, and the NRA knows it well. Politicians are bribed into blocking new gun laws.

Edited June 17, 2016 by Rivendare

[Megas 28,069]

I feel Obama gets more hate than he deserves. He's responsible for a lot of bullshit like letting an already massive national debt increase, and letting the NSA do their bullshit. On the other hand, better focus on climate, improving the economy despite being given what the disastrous Bush Administration left him, Gay Marriage, a push for better gun control, etc.

 

I think he's a pretty middle of the road president, not the best but certainly not the worst. And given the choice, I'd gladly take a 3rd Obama term over any of the clowns we're going to be stuck with in the upcoming election

Edited June 18, 2016 by Sideswipe

[Yoshi89 5,293]

Obama isn't necessarily a bad president but that still doesn't mean he's any good. He's unfortunately one of the kinds of politicians who says one thing and does another. He considered vetoing the indefinite detention under the NDAA but signed it anyway. He also says he's willing to work with bipartisan efforts but doesn't compromise with Republicans and blames them for not getting any work done (I don't sympathize with Republicans either by the way). When America turned to him for help with ISIS, he gave us a history lesson, saying "People have committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ." Never mind that Christians in the Middle East are one of the targets of persecution for ISIS.

[Shanks 10,816]

Hasn't the unemployment rate gone down? Along with jobs opening up and full time employment increasing?

The supposed unemployment rate has only gone down because they no longer count people who gave up looking for work in the "official" unemployment numbers. This paints a very distorted picture of the true unemployment problem which politicians have conveniently used to downplay just how bad things really are. Also where did those charts and graphs come from?

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/7/unemployment-rate-drop-obscures-troubling-decline-/

 

 

I disagree that the end-goal is a complete gun ban.

Hilary Clinton admitted that the "supreme court is wrong on the 2nd amendment"

 

 

Obama and others, even the NRA which has betrayed its own cause by advocating that people on the terrorist watch list be barred from owning guns. That sounds like a common sense thing to do until you consider the fact that people can be added for any reason or no reason at all with no judge, no jury and no probable cause meaning that a lot of innocent people have ended up on that list often without even realizing it until they try to go through airport security. It exploits peoples fears both about gun violence as well as terrorism. Obama and various other establishment traitors are in favor of the UN gun grabbing treaty.

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/27/un-gun-control-body-supported-by-obama-sets-up-veto-proof-framework/

 

Also, confiscation is not unprecedented in America like when this one police chief openly admitted during Hurricane Katrina that they were and would confiscate guns from law abiding citizens during the crisis. Granted this happened when Bush was in office but shows that despite Republican claims to the contrary they are just as capable of committing such shameful acts of treason as the Democrats.

 

[Zyrael 1,473]

I've always liked obama. He's improved gay rights, taken out powerful terrorist leaders, introduced better healthcare policies. Generally he's allowed this country to modernize in important ways, improving foreign relations etc.  republicans lose their shit with any mention of gay rights or gun control, and that disproportionate hate can influence people who don't even relate to the people screaming about how bad he is. Bush completely decimated the economy and left a bad system for his successor to inherit. 

 

 

I think he's been good president overall, as much as you can ask of one man. He's had to deal with the house of representatives throwing a hissy fit more than one time. He's faced a huge amount of challenges and addressed them. If he's made poor decisions economically speaking, I don't think you can say they're directly a result of his presidency- again, bush left his broken government in obama's lap.

[Anneal 2,198]

Obama is definitely not the worst, or best president we've had. He's OK. He did some good stuff (as well as a few not so good things depending on your political views), but he wasn't necessarily doing the stuff I think he needed to be doing. I like him, but I don't love him.

 

Also, you don't have to agree with his politics, but you have to admit he's one of the coolest presidents we've had.

Don't think he's cool but he's definitely not a bad president, especially compared to Bush. He gets too much flak for what he does at times, and compared to some president's he has actually kept most of his promises (Politifact has an Obama-meter that you can reference to).

 

As for the Republicans though, I honestly believe that they deserved to lose because practically all of their candidates lost to Trump. Cruz and Rubio was basically a joke. If all it took to defeat the Republican Party was Trump then I am very disappointed in them. That being said I agree with Trump much more than the Republican candidates anyways so I'll vote for him. I lean conservative at times but this time the Republicans are just too stupid.

[El Duderino 880]

Don't think he's cool but he's definitely not a bad president, especially compared to Bush. He gets too much flak for what he does at times, and compared to some president's he has actually kept most of his promises (Politifact has an Obama-meter that you can reference to).

 

As for the Republicans though, I honestly believe that they deserved to lose because practically all of their candidates lost to Trump. Cruz and Rubio was basically a joke. If all it took to defeat the Republican Party was Trump then I am very disappointed in them. That being said I agree with Trump much more than the Republican candidates anyways so I'll vote for him. I lean conservative at times but this time the Republicans are just too stupid.

Lol Bush was terrible, so yeah. Obama is better than Bush. I don't often hear anyone argue against that statement.

I don't like Trump one bit, but I agree if the Republicans can't come up with anyone better...

 

I tend to be pretty liberal. I can't support Trump.

[Fluttere 71]

I just kinda see him atleast as a somewhat good role model of decent human behavior, even if his policies is not what one likes which one have all right to complain about, but i feel the rhetoric has been slightly numbing, most counter arguments tend to be "Wow look at this weak leader. Amirite" I am overestimating of course but thats what some arguments on the internet sounds like, instead of dwelling more to what his policies are? But yeah, the internet has its share of that which i find incredibly shallow in some cases

 

This is not to discredit legit arguments. But the focus just seems to be more personal than... the stuff he dwells in.

Edited June 18, 2016 by Fluttere

[Plageius 263]

forcing business to cater gay weddings and this transgender bathroom bullshit

It must be bullshit since you gain nothing from it?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/27/un-gun-control-body-supported-by-obama-sets-up-veto-proof-framework/

Breitbart is far from partisan. Try again.

[Anneal 2,198]

It must be bullshit since you gain nothing from it?

Breitbart is far from partisan. Try again.

 

Just because a news source may not be neutral doesn't necessarily discredit what they say though. All news articles have biases (though more tend to be liberal), but I'm willing to listen to any of them as long as it gives good reasoning and solid evidence to justify their claims. 

[Plageius 263]

Just because a news source may not be neutral doesn't necessarily discredit what they say though. All news articles have biases (though more tend to be liberal), but I'm willing to listen to any of them as long as it gives good reasoning and solid evidence to justify their claims. 

Which Breitbart does not.

[Anneal 2,198]

Which Breitbart does not.

Really depends, Breitbart had a lot of shitty journalists before but it seems like since Yiannopoulos came in it's mostly been making a comeback and they make far more credible articles.

[EpicEnergy 23,244]

I respect him, but I disagreed with many of his decisions.