ManaMinori 4,145 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 I have to wonder. Twilight has idolized her mentor from day 1, and likely felt threatened when she showed concern to wanting her former student back through the mirror. Not once, but Twice did Sunbutt say she wanted SS back- once in the beginning, and again at the end, asking first where Sunset was, soon as Two stepped out the mirror. Did jealousy prompt Twi to leave Sunset in the human world with no friends, and having to start from scratch, (and later, to hide Sunset Summer's letters from Sunbutt, ensuring that she never got it at all for's Sunburst's continued affections? With the issue of jealousy brought up by Discord, do you think he knows, since he also has access to other dimensions? Also, with Pinkie able to break the 4th wall and gain access to other dimensions as well, does SHE also know? 2 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Seashell 206 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 This seems highly likely especially since Twilight's parents left her at Celestia'school and most likely didn't have much contact which led to Celestia becoming more of a parent to Twilight than her real parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty1038 53 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 When did Twilight hide Sunset's letters from Celestia? I don't remember that. This seems highly likely especially since Twilight's parents left her at Celestia'school and most likely didn't have much contact which led to Celestia becoming more of a parent to Twilight than her real parents. Not really. They were there for her entrance exam, Shining's wedding, and her coronation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmarston1 5,959 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 No. I don't really believe that any of this makes sense within the context of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,145 August 8, 2016 Author Share August 8, 2016 When did Twilight hide Sunset's letters from Celestia? I don't remember that. Not really. They were there for her entrance exam, Shining's wedding, and her coronation. rainbow Rocks- Sunset tried to send a letter to Sunbury through the book. It was "addressed" and meant for Sunbury, but Twilight got it, didn't tell or inform Sunbutt, just made the decision to act on her own without her mentor even knowing (again, after Sunbutt had already expressed wanting Sunset back and showing concern for her) Iduno, I would think reading and withholding a royal princess's mail would be a federal offense.... Master of chaos and dimensions should call her on it, like he did with her jealousy. 2 Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyricaDreamy 43 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 This seems highly likely especially since Twilight's parents left her at Celestia'school and most likely didn't have much contact which led to Celestia becoming more of a parent to Twilight than her real parents. Umm They couldt have just leave her there,Celestia's school doesnt have a dorm, And Twilight would have just ask her parents to leave her instead of them leaving her (sarcastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marimo 555 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 rainbow Rocks- Sunset tried to send a letter to Sunbury through the book. It was "addressed" and meant for Sunbury, but Twilight got it, didn't tell or inform Sunbutt, just made the decision to act on her own without her mentor even knowing (again, after Sunbutt had already expressed wanting Sunset back and showing concern for her) Iduno, I would think reading and withholding a royal princess's mail would be a federal offense.... Master of chaos and dimensions should call her on it, like he did with her jealousy. Except Sunset was really trying to get in touch with Twilight about the Dazzlings. She was only trying to get in touch with Celestia so that she could forward a message to Twilight. Didn't seem like there was anything else she wanted to say, specifically anything just meant for Celestia and not to be told to Twilight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyoshi Frost Wolf 41,730 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 In a way, Twilight is furthering what Celestia wanted in the first place. It was Celestia that put Sunset there and Celestia may think that SS is not ready to return. Twilight is just guiding her through that at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marimo 555 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 In a way, Twilight is furthering what Celestia wanted in the first place. It was Celestia that put Sunset there and Celestia may think that SS is not ready to return. Twilight is just guiding her through that at this point. Actually Sunset fled to the human world out of her own choosing. Seems like Sunset just chooses to continue living there, even when the portal can always be left open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daring_Do 552 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 Umm They couldt have just leave her there,Celestia's school doesnt have a dorm, And Twilight would have just ask her parents to leave her instead of them leaving her (sarcastic) It seems to have one, going by Issue 40(?) of the comics. Would also explain the thing about Sunburst moving away from Starlight's home village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuteycindyhoney 13,315 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 rainbow Rocks- Sunset tried to send a letter to Sunbury through the book. It was "addressed" and meant for Sunbury, but Twilight got it, didn't tell or inform Sunbutt, just made the decision to act on her own without her mentor even knowing (again, after Sunbutt had already expressed wanting Sunset back and showing concern for her) Iduno, I would think reading and withholding a royal princess's mail would be a federal offense.... Master of chaos and dimensions should call her on it, like he did with her jealousy. The message was intended for The Princess of Friendship. Star Rump was supposed to forward the content to Purple Smart. Besides, Adorkable, although still a bit unsure of herself, is now pretty much Yellow Dwarf Posterior's peer. Thank you Sparklefan1234!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Play 232 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 I'm not really sure about Twilight being jealous of a former student of Celestia's, lol. Surely, she would consider how many students Celestia has had before and after her. Also, Twilight was regarded by Celestia as her "star pupil". Lol, this thread being here makes no sense. My OC(s): Clear Rider My Ask a Pony At some point, there will be a fic or more here "You can't be a comedian, unless you can laugh at yourself." - Me "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr Seuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat-kun 2,528 August 8, 2016 Share August 8, 2016 Well, if Celestia gave a shit about Sunset, she’d contact her. She’d had all the time in the world to do so, yet she hadn’t chosen to reach through the mirror. However, when Twilight was going cray-cray, she came immediately to defuse the situation. You can’t really blame her for showing preference towards a student whose existence isn’t one big canterbuck of convoluted plot. Plus, asking about somepony you know is just common courtesy, especially if you know they are involved in some funny business. On the other appendage, I can see Twilight getting jealous. Though I'm afraid she’s in too deep into the whole friendship thing to become so wholesomely developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLPFanatic34 3,234 August 9, 2016 Share August 9, 2016 I don't really see Twilight being jealous over Sunset and Celestia's relationship considering Sunset abandoned Celestia's teachings and went to the human world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Play 232 August 9, 2016 Share August 9, 2016 I don't really see Twilight being jealous over Sunset and Celestia's relationship considering Sunset abandoned Celestia's teachings and went to the human world. This, also. I don't think I went over this part in my post, lol, but yeah. Sunset was who betrayed Celestia. Celestia only spoke of hope for Sunset to be better, lol. No words of praise. My OC(s): Clear Rider My Ask a Pony At some point, there will be a fic or more here "You can't be a comedian, unless you can laugh at yourself." - Me "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr Seuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty1038 53 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 rainbow Rocks- Sunset tried to send a letter to Sunbury through the book. It was "addressed" and meant for Sunbury, but Twilight got it, didn't tell or inform Sunbutt, just made the decision to act on her own without her mentor even knowing (again, after Sunbutt had already expressed wanting Sunset back and showing concern for her) Iduno, I would think reading and withholding a royal princess's mail would be a federal offense.... Master of chaos and dimensions should call her on it, like he did with her jealousy. I haven't seen the film in a while, but I'm pretty sure that Sunset addressed the message to Twilight, not Celestia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grtxkkyz 388 August 10, 2016 Share August 10, 2016 Not really, after all, Sunny is on the human world by her own will... and those parts with Sunburst you wrote sound like a shipfiction. My Dragon Cave scroll: http://dragcave.net/user/Dino-Mario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyricaDreamy 43 August 11, 2016 Share August 11, 2016 (edited) Uh no,Twilight is not going to be jealous of a dropout (she left Celestia without a degre,which is bad) Edited August 12, 2016 by LyricaDreamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManaMinori 4,145 August 12, 2016 Author Share August 12, 2016 I haven't seen the film in a while, but I'm pretty sure that Sunset addressed the message to Twilight, not Celestia. "dear princess Celestial" was how the letter was written.so, no Under the Jellicle Moon- a site with cuteness, cat boys, and comic strips / Star Dreams Fanclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marimo 555 August 12, 2016 Share August 12, 2016 (edited) "dear princess Celestial" was how the letter was written.so, no She still just wanted to talk to Twilight. Celestia would've just been the in-between pony for them. I may have an idea how we can get in touch with Princess Twilight! I get a message to [Celestia], then she can get a message to Princess Twilight. It's like sending an email to someone just so they can forward it to someone else, only to find out that the first person just gave the second person their old email account. Edited August 12, 2016 by Marimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_Case001 4,903 August 12, 2016 Share August 12, 2016 See, this is why I go all Quibble on the EG universe, and pretend it doesn't exist. Some of the decisions made by Twilight in the EG movies are horrible, and far worse than any minor lapses in judgement she may have made on FIM. Admittedly, I actually enjoyed the EG movies, but I hated what it did to the lore and characterization. The worst came in Rainbow Rocks. As you pointed out, @Nightmare Muffin, Twilight received that letter from Sunset, addressed to Tia, and Twilight withheld the letter and never showed it to Tia. Marimo pointed out that Sunset was apparently trying to use Tia as a go-between to contact Twilight, which I had forgotten, but I think it was still horrible of Twilight not to show the letter to Tia, and basically keep her in the dark about what was going on with Sunset. But the worst offense was Twilight's decision to build a friggin machine to permanently activate the mirror without even informing Celestia, much less asking permission or anything of the sort. The consequences of interdimensional travel are massive, and Twilight just took it upon herself to do as she pleased, willy nilly, without the idea of informing Celestia even crossing her mind. It's as if Twilight decided that her authority in Equestria is absolute. This is the biggest reason why I just can't reconcile EG, and like to pretend it doesn't exist. At a certain point, you just can't analyze lore anymore, and have to realize that it's just bogus writing in which Celestia is brushed aside and ignored for whatever reason. (I guess they think she's not popular with little girls?) I've had a few conversations in other threads with....I wanna say his name is Number 107. Might be 104. I think it's 107. His avatar is the Flash. Anyway, we both agreed that Celestia's incompetence and exclusion can no longer be reconciled by any contextual means. In other words, you can't come up with plausible reasons for sh*t like this; it's just that the writers have ignored her and diminished her role, which is really sad. So, while I think your theory about Twilight being jealous is a good one, I don't really think it's the case. I don't try to explain stuff like this anymore. It's just bad writing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marimo 555 August 12, 2016 Share August 12, 2016 (edited) and Twilight withheld the letter and never showed it to Tia We actually don't know if she never told Celestia, just that she didn't tell her before she went to help stop the sirens. Kind of a more immediate threat to handle so handling other things probably got put on the backburner. The consequences of interdimensional travel are massive, and Twilight just took it upon herself to do as she pleased, willy nilly, without the idea of informing Celestia even crossing her mind. It's as if Twilight decided that her authority in Equestria is absolute. Please. It's not like we've heard of any other wizard sending letters to Celestia to let her know that they're doing potentially dangerous experiments. Starswirl made the mirrors and he didn't let Celestia know until after he had already made one. Plus Twilight probably knows what she's doing. A lot more than we probably understand to judge how potentially dangerous what she was doing really was. Edited August 12, 2016 by Marimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_Case001 4,903 August 13, 2016 Share August 13, 2016 Please. It's not like we've heard of any other wizard sending letters to Celestia to let her know that they're doing potentially dangerous experiments. Starswirl made the mirrors and he didn't let Celestia know until after he had already made one. Starswirl appointed the sisters as princesses. Starswirl had more authority and experience than them. Starswirl did not answer to Celestia, so I'm not sure how this comparison is apt. Twilight still answers to Celestia. I suppose the following point is debatable, but I do not believe that Celestia promoted Twilight to her equal. I believe that Twilight is still Celestia's subordinate. Plus Twilight probably knows what she's doing. A lot more than we probably understand to judge how potentially dangerous what she was doing really was. The ruler of Equestria should have been informed regardless of Twilight's level of competence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny Fox 5,952 August 13, 2016 Share August 13, 2016 Why bother Celestia over something that is Twilight's problem to solve? "Because her name is on the metaphorical envelope" seems a pretty flimsy excuse to find fault with Twilight making a decision that is rightfully hers to make. She doesn't need Celestia's permission to answer a cry for help, being a Princess herself. The message was always "Twilight, come help us", it's just that Sunset was unaware that the book had been moved from Celestia's possession to Twilight's. That it was addressed to Celestia was purely incidental, it was always intended for Twilight. And ascribing it to jealousy seems an unnecessary step. So no, I don't think Twilight avoided contacting Celestia due to jealousy, and I don't think she had any obligation to do so. It's also not something I consider bad writing, it's more a case of conservation of detail. There's plenty of examples of bad writing in the EQG movies, but this ain't one. In my opinion, that is. Happy minion of The Fabulous One! Signature by Midnightive Check out my blog! https://mlpforums.com/blog/1083-sunny-side-den/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty1038 53 August 13, 2016 Share August 13, 2016 "dear princess Celestial" was how the letter was written.so, no Oh, wait, yeah, that's right! I must be thinking of "Friendship Games." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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