FiM itself proves that all is canon?

[ManaMinori 4,149]

Primarily canonizing certain "spin-off movies", comics, etc.

 

Let's take a look at the facts for a second...in FiM, it is canon fact that Sunbutt built a school for gifted unicorns to find a successor. This is seen in "Cutie Mark Chronicles" and "The Crystalling". The fact that Sunburst exists proves that other unicorns were (obviously) enrolled, and classes (obviously) existed long before Twilight, for unicorns to have come and gone- some being personally mentored by the princess, and others- like Sunburst- dropping out.

Logically, we can conclude that Sunset Shimmer (though not officially seen or mentioned in FiM)- being one of such former students, fell into the latter. (Do all of the former students who came into Sunbutts school need mention or screentime for the audience to know for a fact that the school educated more than just Twilight since the dawn of its founding?)

 

We know that in FiM, dark magic and restricted spells exist- as seen in "it's about Time", "inspiration manifestation", "The Crystal Empire", etc. And we know that in FiM's comic, (according to "The Fall of Sunset Shimmer") it was restricted dark magic in the Canterlot library where Shimmy found the spell to AU portal magic in the first place, so it doesn't really contradict anything that is seen in FiM...

 

There's also the matter of outside influences from FiM (books, comics, etc) giving foundation to its lore. Who put Sunbutt and Luna in power in FiM? How did they chance upon the tree of harmony to find the elements that were used to take down Discord and other bad guys in FiM? Or how they got their marks in raising the summer and moon?

 

If we lacked knowledge of the lore that books and comics provide, would we not naturally assume that it would have to be the most accomplished and revered unicorn that even Twilight herself fanfoals over- Starswirl the Bearded? 

 

Next, there's the matter of alternate dimensions. Seen in EqG, of course, but FiM has blatantly tampered with ponies and beings of the Draconequiis sort messing with alternate worlds/universes as well. The Mirror Pool that Pinkie used, in fact, seems to not clone the Pinkie of g4, but rather, have her deliberately pull other Pinkie's of PAST GENERATIONS (and current. Possibly even future incarnations) into g4's canon and art style. Note that one Pinkie could blow into her hoof and modify it into fingers - possibly implying that that Pinkie was from the EqG world - while another Pinkie modified her face to that of G3's art style- implying that she was the one to be pulled straight out of that AU.

 

Discord has also been seen ripping open space time fabric to throw Tree Hugger into an AU. So it's hardly far-fetched to claim that EqG is not canon to FiM, given these numerous examples.

 

But what do you guys think? With all that is seen in FiM, can we really say that EqG is not canon to it?

[Midnight Seashell 206]

I don't know if this is right or wrong but you made excellent work on your analysis.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

Primarily canonizing certain "spin-off movies", comics, etc.

Let's take a look at the facts for a second...in FiM, it is canon fact that Sunbutt built a school for gifted unicorns to find a successor. This is seen in "Cutie Mark Chronicles" and "The Crystalling". The fact that Sunburst exists proves that other unicorns were (obviously) enrolled, and classes (obviously) existed long before Twilight, for unicorns to have come and gone- some being personally mentored by the princess, and others- like Sunburst- dropping out.

Logically, we can conclude that Sunset Shimmer (though not officially seen or mentioned in FiM)- being one of such former students, fell into the latter. (Do all of the former students who came into Sunbutts school need mention or screentime for the audience to know for a fact that the school educated more than just Twilight since the dawn of its founding?)

We know that in FiM, dark magic and restricted spells exist- as seen in "it's about Time", "inspiration manifestation", "The Crystal Empire", etc. And we know that in FiM's comic, (according to "The Fall of Sunset Shimmer") it was restricted dark magic in the Canterlot library where Shimmy found the spell to AU portal magic in the first place, so it doesn't really contradict anything that is seen in FiM...

There's also the matter of outside influences from FiM (books, comics, etc) giving foundation to its lore. Who put Sunbutt and Luna in power in FiM? How did they chance upon the tree of harmony to find the elements that were used to take down Discord and other bad guys in FiM? Or how they got their marks in raising the summer and moon?

If we lacked knowledge of the lore that books and comics provide, would we not naturally assume that it would have to be the most accomplished and revered unicorn that even Twilight herself fanfoals over- Starswirl the Bearded? 

Next, there's the matter of alternate dimensions. Seen in EqG, of course, but FiM has blatantly tampered with ponies and beings of the Draconequiis sort messing with alternate worlds/universes as well. The Mirror Pool that Pinkie used, in fact, seems to not clone the Pinkie of g4, but rather, have her deliberately pull other Pinkie's of PAST GENERATIONS (and current. Possibly even future incarnations) into g4's canon and art style. Note that one Pinkie could blow into her hoof and modify it into fingers - possibly implying that that Pinkie was from the EqG world - while another Pinkie modified her face to that of G3's art style- implying that she was the one to be pulled straight out of that AU.

Discord has also been seen ripping open space time fabric to throw Tree Hugger into an AU. So it's hardly far-fetched to claim that EqG is not canon to FiM, given these numerous examples.

But what do you guys think? With all that is seen in FiM, can we really say that EqG is not canon to it?

I think this topic is bigger than just show discussion. I'm thinking you want to emphasize EQG's place in the canon, but I think I'm going to put this thread in Sugarcube Corner as it seems to span all of the various media related to FiM.

<p>This thread appears to be related to the My Little Pony franchise and/or the Bronydom in general. Thus, it has been sentenced to Sugarcube Corner.</p>

[ManaMinori 4,149]

I don't know if this is right or wrong but you made excellent work on your analysis.

thanks. I just find it hard to accept that something that basically has been proven to be canon in FiM is still considered non canon in FiM, it that makes any sense

[cmarston1 5,964]

I kind of just assumed that the events of EQG were canon, but that's just me.

[ChikaChan 7,328]

You have forgotten about the books and comics for mlp there

[Lambdadelta 1,462]

thanks. I just find it hard to accept that something that basically has been proven to be canon in FiM is still considered non canon in FiM, it that makes any sense

 

Your points is exellent, but there is just one problem. No matter how good your points are, even you got all the evidents that can prove any other things beside the show are canon, the validity of EQ being  canon still 99% at best and it still not canon. The 1% you need is the words of god. Anyone who work for the show confirm EQ/comics being canon? If Big Jim just say EQ is canon in his Twitter, you dont even need proofs to say they are canon anyway... That sad, i will wait for the words of god then...

 

I remember they denied Comic's canonicity... yeah... no hope for comics. They still didnt deny EQ's canonicity, there still hope. 

[ManaMinori 4,149]

Your points is exellent, but there is just one problem. No matter how good your points are, even you got all the evidents that can prove any other things beside the show are canon, the validity of EQ being canon still 99% at best and it still not canon. The 1% you need is the words of god. Anyone who work for the show confirm EQ/comics being canon? If Big Jim just say EQ is canon in his Twitter, you dont even need proofs to say they are canon anyway... That sad, i will wait for the words of god then...

 

I remember they denied Comic's canonicity... yeah... no hope for comics. They still didnt deny EQ's canonicity, there still hope.

they can't deny canonicity of something outside the and still use it in the show. Example- the book "pinkie pie's rocking partypalooza" was referenced as one of Pinkie's events in the episode with Coloratura. Sooooo.....

[Mesme Rize 15,692]

they can't deny canonicity of something outside the and still use it in the show. Example- the book "pinkie pie's rocking partypalooza" was referenced as one of Pinkie's events in the episode with Coloratura. Sooooo.....

 

Why can't they deny that? Maybe some of them never even read any of the books.

 

Fact is, the show and the writers are the end all be all, of the pony universe. Everything else is secondary, because i don't need to watch/read them, to understand the show.

[AlbaTross 1,586]

Why can't they deny that? Maybe some of them never even read any of the books.

 

Fact is, the show and the writers are the end all be all, of the pony universe. Everything else is secondary, because i don't need to watch/read them, to understand the show.

This is the reason why the show doesn't usually directly acknowledge anything from the spinoff media. The Rockin' Pony Palooza party reference was pretty unexpected and right on the nose, but it's brief and is only just a nod. But I don't think the show's writers have ever explicitly called any spinoff media "non-canon". They've just stated that they won't be using other material in their show since that can't be required to get the most out of the series. And yes, they even go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging EQG, even to the point of making Spike seem like an amnesiac.

 

I do love the spinoff media and wish it got more attention. Heck, if I ever did a YouTube series (which I don't actually have any plans for), I'd probably focus on that. But I also agree with the stance of the show's writers because if all this stuff was treated as part of the show canon, then we'd have a complex canon that many people would have a hard time following. Some people like complex canons. I can enjoy them from time to time. However, I also agree that all spinoff media should be optional. It allows for the best of both worlds as the series can be a more complex canon for fans that enjoy that, while continuing to be a simple canon for those who don't do so well with more complicated storylines.

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

Your points is exellent, but there is just one problem. No matter how good your points are, even you got all the evidents that can prove any other things beside the show are canon, the validity of EQ being  canon still 99% at best and it still not canon. The 1% you need is the words of god. Anyone who work for the show confirm EQ/comics being canon? If Big Jim just say EQ is canon in his Twitter, you dont even need proofs to say they are canon anyway... That sad, i will wait for the words of god then...

 

I remember they denied Comic's canonicity... yeah... no hope for comics. They still didnt deny EQ's canonicity, there still hope. 

If by "word of god" you mean Meghan McCarthy's, you're right. She already confirmed that EQ is canon on her Twitter. Not having an impact on FIM doesn't change that.

[Justin_Case001 4,934]

The spin-off stuff is B canon.  It's still canon, but it's not referenced on the show so that viewers who only watch the show and nothing else won't be lost.  I don't deny that EG is canon, but I very much like that it stays B canon, because I feel that the writing in EG is orders of magnitude worse than the show, so it's nice to be able to pretend that it doesn't exist when watching the show.

[ManaMinori 4,149]

The spin-off stuff is B canon. It's still canon, but it's not referenced on the show so that viewers who only watch the show and nothing else won't be lost. I don't deny that EG is canon, but I very much like that it stays B canon, because I feel that the writing in EG is orders of magnitude worse than the show, so it's nice to be able to pretend that it doesn't exist when watching the show.

what iM saying is it doesn't have to be referenced in the show to know it's canon. We never see any other of Sunbutt's students to Twilight prior to FiM, but we KNOW that there were others...

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

We never see any other of Sunbutt's students to Twilight prior to FiM, but we KNOW that there were others...

But that doesn't prove that Sunset was one of them so I fail to see your point. 

Edited September 21, 2016 by Yamet

[ManaMinori 4,149]

If by "word of god" you mean Meghan McCarthy's, you're right. She already confirmed that EQ is canon on her Twitter. Not having an impact on FIM doesn't change that.

now, since I already knew it was canon, this is icing on the cake, for me

 

Has anyone else confirmed?

[Black Sabbath 2,488]

If by "word of god" you mean Meghan McCarthy's, you're right. She already confirmed that EQ is canon on her Twitter. Not having an impact on FIM doesn't change that.

 

Would you mind giving me the source, please?

[KillerKingBakudan 702]

now, since I already knew it was canon, this is icing on the cake, for me

 

Has anyone else confirmed?

 

Not sure. But one writer from the show's staff is plenty.

 

 

Would you mind giving me the source, please?

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MMeghanMcCarthy/status/372926669180264448